Kratos vs Achilles

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Boya Kep...

Debate now :^)

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Well I feel like rebuilding stuff wasn't a good example.

 

[Kepekley23]

It's an amazing example considering it's the exact same weapon doing the exact same timehax. Showing off gameplay instead of the cutscene feats the Amulet has isn't really a valid practice.

Not only that, even that gameplay pic is out of context, since that's the range of the time stop bubble after it hits the enemy, not the range of the time stop wave.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Yeah not only it can put you in a bubble, but a time stop wave.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

BUMP!!

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Excellent match. Best Apoc Boi FRA

 

[Lilixa]

@Andika
Diatrekhōn Astēr Lonkhē negs interference from divine spirits and outside forces, summoning wouldn't work while it is active, nor would magic if I recall. Kratos would have to battle him in a powerless melee brawl.

Can Diatrekhōn Astēr Lonkhē Active all the time ?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Once it activates, both participants are stuck there until one of them wins. Problem is it has a bunch of drawbacks to activate, Kratos needs to accept it (he probably will), he can't be weaker then Achilles (this is arguable), Achilles only uses it so the enemy can harm him (Kratos can already do that with his weapons).

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

If Diatrekhōn Astēr Lonkhē is activated, does that mean Kratos cant use his gauntlet of Zeus and Shield of Helios?

 

[John985]

Yeah, they can only use h2h combat.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

That just makes it an AP stomp. He's 7-B physically without his gear.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Oh god.......7-B vs 7-A.....

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Weapons aren't actually restriicted in the Duel Field.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

He's only 7-A because the Sun Shield blocked Persephone's attacks, and Kratos' shield and gauntlet is always on him. Otherwise he's just a bald dude without his deadly toys.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Not sure they retain their abilities since they are from gods though.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Weapons aren't actually restriicted in the Duel Field.

Really? I mean when Achilles fought Chiron on duel field they didn't use any weapon.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

You mean the abilities of the weapons like the gauntlet making lightning attacks?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

@Vel

Apocrypha material specifies that even though Achilles and Chiron didn't use any, they are still allowed. Tbf though, Chiron only had a bow and Achilles just threw away his spear, his chariot was restricted (even if it wasn't downed just before) and was left with a sword, not much else they could use aside from fists.

@Xtasy

Duel Field specifically negs blessings and gifts from gods, if the weapons ability comes from a god, there is a good chance it gets turned off.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Wdym by it being turned off?

 

[Lilixa]

well Kratos has Rage Power which increasing his own strength with anger but not sure if this will useful

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Not useful when it cannot amp him to 7-A sadly.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

As in, he still has the weapons/gear but they don't have any ability while the Duel Field is up and the only way to get out is by killing Achilles.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

So it still retains it's durability. He should be fine, except that the Sun Shield can't project a forcefield anymore but it still works as a buckler.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

As long as the shield is that durable then sure. Achilles still has his sword or can just go barehanded and yank the shield out of his way.

Not sure why people keep coming back to DAL though. Achilles doesn't need it to have a decent fight.

 

[Lilixa]

At least kratos can use attack reflection with blade of Chaos.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Pretty sure he loses that as well, the Gauntlet of Zuuuus is big enough to block attacks already

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Let me just say that Diatrekhōn Astēr Lonkhē actually being relevant in a battle here is just awesome.

I'd want to see this fight no matter who wins.

 

[Lilixa]

Pretty sure he loses that as well, the Gauntlet of Zuuuus is big enough to block attacks already

Blade of Chaos has resistance to power null tho, so attack reflection still work

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Shield (or other gear) isn't actually as useful as you think inside DF. Achilles is still way above him physically meaning the shield survives but Kratos takes a damage still.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yeah, what Anonymous said.

It would be like a regular dude with a shield fighting Mike Tyson with a spear.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Thats probably a more accurate analogy than my one of "guy with a shield gets hit by truck-kun".

 

[Lilixa]

If somehow kratos died in DF. The DF will turn off ?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Yes

 

[Lilixa]

cmiiw, Kratos technically has his resurrection in this key, but not good as his 6-A key. Kratos might have a chance after DF turn off.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

But that just means Achilles kills him again.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

If the ressurection is via crawling back out of Hell it's not really combat-applicable.

If it's more of just an extra life or two that actually really helps Kratos as using timestop to get some hits inbetween Noble Phantasm activations increases his chances of winning.

Either way I feel Achilles still has a better shot at taking this.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

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[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Also counting a vote:

• Achilles: 4 (Dargoo, Tamine, C2, Iap)

• Kratos: 0

Did i miss someone?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I didn't actually vote but put me down for Achilles.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Reading what I have so far, puta vote down for me too for Achilles. The bit that had me thinking more was the Time Stop, but I still feel Achi-boyo can pull ahead.