Knockoff Guts vs Sans (0-1-0)

[King_Dom470]

Rules:
Speed equal
The player has access to all of their abilities (Except poison splash) and has triple katanas
Battle takes place in the ruins
SBA for everything else

Guts (Nope):



Spooky Scary Skeleton’s: (XxZetsuxX)



Incon:

 

[AThe1412]

Sadly, it's no longer Guts. As usual, I'm leaving this comment here and will wait for someone to make an argument first.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

What stops Sans from nuking his soul?

 

[King_Dom470]

What stops Sans from nuking his soul?

High acrobatics means he can more easily dodge. Invisibility will make it hard for sans to see him. Flash grenades could temporarily blind sans, etc

 

[XxZetsuxX]

High acrobatics means he can more easily dodge.

Sans danmaku? I highly doubt it, Sans danmaku is broken

Give me their acrobatic feats so i can see if they can dodge

Invisibility will make it hard for sans to see him. Flash grenades could temporarily blind sans, etc

Does he start with those?

Also instinctive reaction says hello to invisibility

 

[AThe1412]

Give me their acrobatic feats so i can see if they can dodge

Does he start with those?

Just look at their profile, will you? Their acrobatics is good enough for them to avoid multiple ranged attacks from other equally skilled players.
Yes. It's a player character. Their starting move can be anything in their kit. Also, if they realise how strong Sans is they'll probably just drop a nuke on the Ruins.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Just look at their profile, will you? Their acrobatics is good enough for them to avoid multiple ranged attacks from other equally skilled players.
Yes. It's a player character. Their starting move can be anything in their kit. Also, if they realise how strong Sans is they'll probably just drop a nuke on the Ruins.

Problem being the fact that there is no justification for his acrobatics

I already gave it a look before commenting

Dodging from distance linear moves is easier than dodging attacks coming from alot of directions

 

[King_Dom470]

Problem being the fact that there is no justification for his acrobatics

I already gave it a look before commenting

Dodging from distance linear moves is easier than dodging attacks coming from alot of directions

Even still the player can close the distance with some of their moves like dashes and stuff and again sans can’t get past invisibility

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Even still the player can close the distance with some of their moves like dashes and stuff and again

Sans starts the fight by spamming bones and blasters that covers alot of space and comes from alot of directions

Besides, The player has a stamina bar, Once the stamina reaches 0 it's over for the player, Which depletes quite fast based on the videos i'm seeing about it

sans can’t get past invisibility

Sans can dodge while asleep, Don't see what stops him from evading?

 

[King_Dom470]

Besides, The player has a stamina bar, Once the stamina reaches 0 it's over for the player, Which depletes quite fast based on the videos i'm seeing about it

Sans has way worse stamina

Sans can dodge while asleep, Don't see what stops him from evading?

its not about that it’s about the fact that sans won’t be able to attack the player which leaves them open to attack sans as much as possible and slowly decrease his stamina

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Sans has way worse stamina

The player's stamina bar depletes really fast when he is running and ragdolling

A few ragdolls and he is out of breath, Sans's stamina is bad but not that bad, He can fight atleast 25+ hits i think?

its not about that it’s about the fact that sans won’t be able to attack the player which leaves them open to attack sans as much as possible and slowly decrease his stamina

He has invisibility, Not invisibility and intangibility

 

[LaserPrecision]

Something I just realized that I'm curious about.

Monsters in Undertale attack the soul. So does that mean against an opponent who can make their body invisible, they'd still see their soul unless they have the ability to make that invisible as well? Or do we treat making the body invisible as the ability to make someone's soul invisible to people who can see souls?

If so, invisibility might be a non-factor.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Something I just realized that I'm curious about.

Monsters in Undertale attack the soul. So does that mean against an opponent who can make their body invisible, they'd still see their soul unless they have the ability to make that invisible as well? Or do we treat making the body invisible as the ability to make someone's soul invisible to people who can see souls?

If so, invisibility might be a non-factor.

Good point, I don't know about that though XD

 

[LaserPrecision]

Good point, I don't know about that though XD

Just had to make sure. Keep that in mind though. It has interesting implications.

 

[CBslayeR]

Sans kinda just danmakus him to death, CW doesn't have enough skill to hit Sans or dodge his attacks, nukes don't work due to the battlefield being enclosed and guarded by a 2-B barrier, so they either fail or he just kills himself because sans can teleport away

Invisibility isn't enough when its not even true invisibility, you can see players who've used it (its more of a transparency thing) and it doesn't hide weapons, so Sans still dodges everything lol


Sans stomp imo

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Just had to make sure. Keep that in mind though. It has interesting implications.

Aight

Sans kinda just danmakus him to death, CW doesn't have enough skill to hit Sans or dodge his attacks, nukes don't work due to the battlefield being enclosed and guarded by a 2-B barrier, so they either fail or he just kills himself because sans can teleport away

Invisibility isn't enough when its not even true invisibility, you can see players who've used it (its more of a transparency thing) and it doesn't hide weapons, so Sans still dodges everything lol


Sans stomp imo

If the OP still wants this match to continue then i'm voting Sans FRA

Though like i said, I don't see him getting past Sans first attack XD

 

[AThe1412]

Sans kinda just danmakus him to death, CW doesn't have enough skill to hit Sans or dodge his attacks, nukes don't work due to the battlefield being enclosed and guarded by a 2-B barrier, so they either fail or he just kills himself because sans can teleport away

Invisibility isn't enough when its not even true invisibility, you can see players who've used it (its more of a transparency thing) and it doesn't hide weapons, so Sans still dodges everything lol


Sans stomp imo

The nuke isn't delivered by a plane or anything. It straight up spawns out of thin air and the Player is immune to it.
It is true invisibility and does hide weapons. That's just what it looks like from the user's perspective.
Player has a few ways to try and hits Sans such as their Skills (Some boosting their speed to the point of blitzing other Players and some having large AoE) or just pulling out a Tommy Gun.
But honestly, I agree. Player can't really do anything here. I'm gonna ask someone to close this thread (Or if OP wants, he can change the opponent to someone else)

 

[King_Dom470]

I honestly don’t see how this is a stomp the players kit is super versatile. They can blind sans with flash grenades, smoke bombs, invisibility etc. hypothetically they could stun sans with their parry. They could slow splash him.

The point about stamina is mute because the player can just use their stamina splash. Shockwave manipulation is super devastating because if sans is even somewhat close he’s just gonna die.

And nukes would be pretty hard for sans to dodge as he doesn’t have the tp range necessary. He’d just have to kill the player before they decide to spawn in a nuke.

And if things get really bad there’s nothing really stopping the player from spawning in a black hole and killing everyone (except sans killing them before they have the chance)

 

[AThe1412]

I honestly don’t see how this is a stomp the players kit is super versatile. They can blind sans with flash grenades, smoke bombs, invisibility etc. hypothetically they could stun sans with their parry. They could slow splash him.

The point about stamina is mute because the player can just use their stamina splash. Shockwave manipulation is super devastating because if sans is even somewhat close he’s just gonna die.

And nukes would be pretty hard for sans to dodge as he doesn’t have the tp range necessary. He’d just have to kill the player before they decide to spawn in a nuke.

And if things get really bad there’s nothing really stopping the player from spawning in a black hole and killing everyone (except sans killing them before they have the chance)

They ain't stunning Sans. Parry only works on melee attacks specifically and even if it does work on ranged attacks, his bones just phase through the forcefield.
Player typically won't use summoning since they don't wanna waste their Tokens. The only things they'll summon right away are the Tommy Gun and RPG but they might use nukes or black holes if they realise how strong Sans is. Black hole also kills them as well so it's an inconclusive if they use it.

 

[King_Dom470]

They ain't stunning Sans. Parry only works on melee attacks specifically and even if it does work on ranged attacks, his bones just phase through the forcefield.

Kinda thought that it worked on ranged attacks too but I guess not.

Player typically won't use summoning since they don't wanna waste their Tokens. They only things they'll summon right away are the Tommy Gun and RPG but they might use nukes or black holes if they realise how strong Sans is. Black hole also kills them as well so it's an inconclusive if they use it.

yeah he probably wont use the black hole unless he absolutely has too but the nukes alone make it not a stomp since that’s basically an instant win. The thing making it not a stomp in the players favour is that their probably not going to start with that.

Even without the nukes he still has his potions which easily level the playing field. Pretty sure that his speed reduction potion could outright negate the usefulness of sans’ instinctive reaction

 

[AThe1412]

Even without the nukes he still has his potions which easily level the playing field. Pretty sure that his speed reduction potion could outright negate the usefulness of sans’ instinctive reaction

He would need to throw the potion at Sans and Sans would have to somehow not dodge it. Maybe he can dodge the bottle itself but the AoE from the splash would still hit him. AoE is kind of a counter to his ability to dodge since he doesn't move that far and he never used his teleport to avoid attacks.

 

[King_Dom470]

He would need to throw the potion at Sans and Sans would have to somehow not dodge it. Maybe he can dodge the bottle itself but the AoE from the splash would still hit him. AoE is kind of a counter to his ability to dodge since he doesn't move that far and he never used his teleport to avoid attacks.

Yeah exactly. So he’ll probably slow sans down pretty easily which will even the odds a lot. To be fair tk is still going to be a pretty big problem but sans doesn’t generally spam his tk especially since it’s his weakest move.

Might actually need to restrict poison potions for the player because otherwise this seems like a stomp in the players favour

 

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