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Kirby vs. Giorno Giovanna
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How many times do I have to go over that Kirby's "Multi Galaxy" doesn't even have a quarter of the population of Star Wars Galaxy.Overlord775 said:
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I like Kirby as much as the next guy but come on, GER stomps. Kirby isn't acausal.
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Sure. It should also resist precog due to "You'll never reach truth"
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I mean he's not wrong
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GER resets everything Kirby does back to him and sets his willpower to Zero
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Kirby resists Emphatic Manipulation, which Willpower Manipulation is a sub-power of
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He doesnt resist Causality hax
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This is probably a big stinky Incon
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Ok, so GER resets back to 0 any move Kirby tries, but then what ?Schnee One said:
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That's my question, then what?
Does GER need to do something afterwards because setting someone in an infinite loop is a wincon.
Does GER need to do something afterwards because setting someone in an infinite loop is a wincon.
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It's not a passive loop, he has to costatantly keep resetting Kirby, so it doesn't really qualify as incap
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You and Cal, do you guys like, have the headcanon that GER is passively inducing Causality Manip on targets literally all the time? If so then that's kinda wrong.Schnee One said:
GER returns actions to 0, that's Causality Manip, then GER sends willpower to 0, that's Willpower Manip, but GER isn't using Causality Manip by that point. After that GER attacks, if it kills a targets the latter is send into some unexplored reality where they always die. As said before this happens if GER kills its target, btw Causality Manip is still not being used. What's even more unexplored, there the target seems to not be able to use his powers or something, this too isn't Causality Manip but Willpower Manip given context.
What this means here is exactly what my first comment said, GER kills Kirby, Kirby escapes its unexplored reality to attack Giorno and the process keeps happening. Until GER gets its speed downgraded, then not much changes except that the incon becomes more evident.
The worst part is, incon is actually very generous. As someone said above, Kirby can outlive Giorno. And what would happen if Kirby decides to destroy GER's reality? He's kinda outside of GER's range in terms of Causality Manip, and doing so isn't even an action against Giorno so even if that wasn't the case he could still do it.
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You and Cal, do you guys like, have the headcanon that GER is passively inducing Causality Manip on targets literally all the time? If so then that's kinda wrong.
GER returns actions to 0, that's Causality Manip, then GER sends willpower to 0, that's Willpower Manip, but GER isn't using Causality Manip by that point. After that GER attacks, if it kills a targets the latter is send into some unexplored reality where they always die. As said before this happens if GER kills its target, btw Causality Manip is still not being used. What's even more unexplored, there the target seems to not be able to use his powers or something, this too isn't Causality Manip but Willpower Manip given context.
What this means here is exactly what my first comment said, GER kills Kirby, Kirby escapes its unexplored reality to attack Giorno and the process keeps happening. Until GER gets its speed downgraded, then not much changes except that the incon becomes more evident.
The worst part is, incon is actually very generous. As someone said above, Kirby can outlive Giorno. And what would happen if Kirby decides to destroy GER's reality? He's kinda outside of GER's range in terms of Causality Manip, and doing so isn't even an action against Giorno so even if that wasn't the case he could still do it.
This is a HYPOTHETICAL BATTE BOARD, squidward, stop taking realism into account
GER returns actions to 0, that's Causality Manip, then GER sends willpower to 0, that's Willpower Manip, but GER isn't using Causality Manip by that point. After that GER attacks, if it kills a targets the latter is send into some unexplored reality where they always die. As said before this happens if GER kills its target, btw Causality Manip is still not being used. What's even more unexplored, there the target seems to not be able to use his powers or something, this too isn't Causality Manip but Willpower Manip given context.
What this means here is exactly what my first comment said, GER kills Kirby, Kirby escapes its unexplored reality to attack Giorno and the process keeps happening. Until GER gets its speed downgraded, then not much changes except that the incon becomes more evident.
The worst part is, incon is actually very generous. As someone said above, Kirby can outlive Giorno. And what would happen if Kirby decides to destroy GER's reality? He's kinda outside of GER's range in terms of Causality Manip, and doing so isn't even an action against Giorno so even if that wasn't the case he could still do it.
This is a HYPOTHETICAL BATTE BOARD, squidward, stop taking realism into account
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I mean, if anything it's limited (?) resistance to fate, Epitapth isn't predicting, it's outright showing what's gonna happen, it's looking into the future to see what's litterally going to happen. He isnt predicting or anything or doing it through some mind based power, he's litterally being shown what's guranteed going to happen because it's litterally happening in the future, it's stated to show events transpiring in the future. And no type of action can change it due to it being fated, Diavolo can't even change it, he can only skip past when it happens.Eficiente said:
Epitaph was still showing Diavolo killing Giorno, even after GER did his zero reset and Giorno was walking up to him to punch his face in and even as Diavolo was getting torn apart, Epitaph was still lik yeah dude ya gonna kill Giorno in like a second, aka even after the neg Giorno was still gonna get gored within the next few seconds regardless of what Giorno did, but it didnt happen, presumably due to Giorno waking up, no longer being a sleeping slave who's fate is pre-ordained. Or something. Fate narrative undertones and all that. I'm not the best to ask to explain a story's themeatics in detail.
GER should have ressurrection or like straight up healing, in the manga it was pretty clear that the punch to GE's head that was meant to kill (as stated by Diavolo himself) split Giorno's head open too (as shown by the spray of blood) and his eyes went blank too only to be fine with zero wounds like five seconds later when GER emerged, basically means GER unlike most Stands ain't exactly effected if Giorno bites it or takes damage, like BIG or Anubis I guess.
I'm not debating the match or even commenting on it though, only pointing out a few things that I've been thinking about for months, wether or not any of it is true I'm not 100% on, hence why the thinking.
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GER has zero feats of ressurection
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Other than making a presumambly dead Giorno who had his head caved in fine, if not that it's instant healing. I feel like you didn't read my reasoning, this aint the place for it though, this vs thread not a crt.EmperorDoom25 said:
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GER already has healing from his base powers
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Through creating body parts from inanimate objects to replace damaged parts, of which ain't instant. Have you even watched/read the things you're trying to discuss? If you aren't overly familiar with Giorno or Kirby, idk dude but a wiki page ain't gonna give you the exact specifics, it's more of a general guidline, like reading a plot summary on wikipedia, you get the general idea, sometimes details, but that's it, plus context is key.EmperorDoom25 said:
But again, ain't exactly on topic so this ain't the place to argue that specific point, especilly because I said myself it ain't hundred percent certain.
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What Im trying to say is, Golden Experience can directly heal people
And GER does the the same thing but on a superior scale
And GER does the the same thing but on a superior scale
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No it can't? To heal severe bodily harm it needs to create body parts to heal. Giorno himself explicitly tells Mista that he can't heal normally, he has to create body parts to heal damage.
The nature of the healing is completely different, GER has like some Crazy Diamond type of healing not the type GE had with was healing through an external ability.
And that's not withstanding the observation that Giorno, was probably dead in that scene as evidenced by Diavolo going I'm going to kill you by smashing your head open, then splitting his head open and Giorno reeling back, motionless with completely white eyes while his head was, uh, split open. And when he was fine five seconds later Diavolo was like wtf you should be dead with a smashed open head. But again, off topic.
The nature of the healing is completely different, GER has like some Crazy Diamond type of healing not the type GE had with was healing through an external ability.
And that's not withstanding the observation that Giorno, was probably dead in that scene as evidenced by Diavolo going I'm going to kill you by smashing your head open, then splitting his head open and Giorno reeling back, motionless with completely white eyes while his head was, uh, split open. And when he was fine five seconds later Diavolo was like wtf you should be dead with a smashed open head. But again, off topic.
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Its still healing....
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Yes and? Mind hax is mind hax too, doesn't mean one type of mind hax cant be vastly different than others at a completely different type of scale.
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I know, that's why I said it was off topic, had no intention of debating it here, was only making a neat observation I had.Eficiente said:
Although I would but I made another crt and have zero replies so far, I'd like to do the easy straight forward threads first before making a controversial thread.
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