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Kirby somewhat Downgrade?

Saikou_The_Lewd_King

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This won't change his ratings, just his exact values.

One of his explanation for speed is keeping up with the Lor Starcutter. While the scaling itself is doubtious, the "feat" itself seems absolutely null.

Its speed is taken from its feat of being able to travel to another dimension "instantly". The thing is that the Starcutter specifically uses Portals to move there. This is, in no way, scalable to regular speed. The mention of the Lor Starcutter should likely be removed and Kirby scaled to the (lower) Dark Matter feat.

Secondly, it was accepted in a previous thread that Kirby's feat of pushing the universe eating wave wasn't anywhere near Tier 4, as he only pushed part of it. This also should be removed from his profile.
 
Wait, so Magolor flew through a portal to his pocket dimension and flew through said pocket dimension for a while to fly out of it to get to Popstar after having to fight Kirby, instead of just opening a portal to Popstar and leaving Kirby in a world he can't leave? Why'd he even leave the door open long enough for Landia to fly him in? Sounds like Magolor didn't think this plan through at all. I mean, I get that he was overconfident or something, but still.

Anyway, these (albeit small) changes make sense, so I agree.
 
Well, you're mostly correct. I can't find a source for the universe in second feat (but cross-universal feats aren't allowed so I doubt that it got accepted for portals. It's likely that he traveled the AD in a second), and we agreed that it's nowhere near tier 3-B. Not tier 4.

Though Landia did outfly the collapse of a universe when it was pretty damn close to finishing.
 
Well I have the source, I think, but literally in the same sentence, Magolor says that the Starcutter does it with portals, debunking the feat.

The same reasoning used to debunk 3-B would be the same for debunking any kind of Tier 4 too though. We only know Kirby pushed back part of the wave.
 
Considering the timeframe for the wave destroying the universe is unknown, I'm...not really sure.
 
The collapse of the universe would imply a Big Crunch. I looked it up, and the best theory for that is that it's a reverse big bang in speed. The Lor and Landia swept up Kirby and co. when it was meters away. I...might not be able to calc that.
 
I'm not sure you can correlate a parallel universe collapsing to a theorized end of the universe.
 
Not only is the very fabric of the universe collapsing, but the rest is taken over by some weird dark matter with stars in it. This is nothing like a Big Crunch.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Not only is the very fabric of the universe collapsing, but the rest is taken over by some weird dark matter with stars in it. This is nothing like a Big Crunch.
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So they took creative liberties in their nothingness. And? Dragon Ball did the same thing with Zeno's bust.
 
This isn't creative liberties. Literally nothing ressembles a Big Crunch. Like you said yourself, it's a reverse big bang. As in, the enitre universe collapses back into a very dense form. Ignoring the fact that it's not possible in real life (cuz space itself collapsing), the destruction we saw doesn't even have a statement stating what happened here.
 
Big Crunch=Universal Collapse. There's literally no difference between the two. If you don't think it's a universal collapse, go to Azzy.
 
Big Crunch is a specific kind of universe-ending event in real life. This is a fictional destruction of a universe, triggered by a fictional character with reality warping. This is too much assumption to not only say that this MUST be a Big Crunch, but trying to derive speed from it is just plain wrong.
 
There's a difference between "fictional" and "theoretical". Just because it's a collapsing universe doesn't mean it's a Big Crunch, especially when a Big Crunch is all matter and space converging on one point, which I'm pretty sure isn't what happens in Kirby.
 
For starters, the Big Crunch in theoretical physics has been debunked, so yes, it is fictional now. Secondou see it converging into one point in that video. How I can tell is that the space is curving, showing that it's ending soon.
 
It hasn't been debunked per say, just that it's unlikely to happen due to how dark matter/energy works.

It's not though. It's literally a wave that comes by and eat everything, but the matter itself, nor space, clearly doesn't converge together. It just stays there and gets eaten.
 
I agree that this likely isn't the Big Crunch.

However if this is a wave of energy that eventually crossed the entire universe to consume it. And characters are shown outrunning the wave. Can't that be considered a feat of speed?

Since these characters are moving faster than something fast enough to travel the universe in a somewhat short timeframe. Or am I missing something?
 
Well according to Cal, the thing sped up right after the gang left. And I'm personally not comfortable with assuming that it went on to eat the entire universe so quickly. What we see is the only clue as to what happened. So we don't even have a statement saying that the dimension was destroyed quickly.
 
Well any sort of timeframe the wave destroyed the universe under is going to be MFTL+. It clearly did not take billions of upon billions of years for this event to take place. However the feat may not be entirely quanfiable due to several unknown/vague factors.
 
In order to get to Halcandra, Lor needs to cross that said tunnel. Which is Another dimension. That's why Magolor opens a rift so he can cross that said Interdimensional Tunnel direcly to Planet Popstar. It just happens to be that Lor's actually faster than Magolor himself (or is that just another outlier? hell if I know)
 
Adding onto Ryu's statement:

Not to mention that our current Magolor profile states that Magolor cued the destruction of the universe. It's not hard to believe that it would collapse to where he was defeated.
 
The tunnel itself has unknown size, but I guess we can always scale it to the backgrund stars for speed, although Kirby has better speed feats.

@Cal Not sure what you mean by that.
 
Stars? Magolor's ratings come from that tunnel. That's the final level of the game '-'

Lor ratings come also from that same tunnel.

That is also the "Universe" that was being destroyed by somekind of anomaly mentioned in Kirby's proffile. This is the place where the Sphere Doomers first came from...
 
That tunnel is the Another Dimension, the "Universe" that were destroyed at the end of the game.

Kirby's Profille:

"Attack Potency: At least Multi-Solar System level (Is capable under his own power of pushing away the local part of a wave of unknown properties that was consuming part of a parallel universe, the same that also resulted in the complete destruction of said universe later.)" "Parallel Universe"=Another Dimension.

Magolor's Profille:

"Attack Potency: Multi-Galaxy level Able to bend the fabric of Another dimension to his whim. This universe was shown to contain stars and nebulae."

Lor stills as fast as before. It shouldn't be downgraded, at least for the reasons you has shown until now.
 
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