- 8,438
- 3,293
Yes, I know this was already addressed two times, but I still do not find the conclusions of the threads satisfactory. The ranking of Sora and his friends is contingent on this calculatio. There are a couple problems with this, and the scaling used to move the characters from it into 4-B.
1. The Calculation is Outdated: Probably the biggest one here, but the calculation assumes that all the stars used in the constellation are Sun-like. "But aren't most stars like our Sun?" Short answer: No. Our Sun is large and actually fairly dense compared to the majority of the stars we know of. I went more in depth with this in calculation what the average star would be like, giants, white dwarves, and neutron pulsar stars excluded. If we plug in the found number of stars, 614, and multiply it by my average star GBE, 1.517x10^41 joules, we get a new value of 9.314x10^43 joules. Not quite 1 FOE. In fact, this is pretty far below Large Star level+, falling just in the upper end up Large Star level.
2. Casual Scaling: The original calculation was accepted, and Sora and crew were moved into 4-B, despite the gap between that and the next level being over 5x. This was because Zeus did this feat without much effort, and he is weaker than the main gang. But unless we want to essentially get rid of the "+" symbol entirely for any feat that isn't max power, we should adopt this form of scaling. Until better options arise, it is the best we have to go on, so we assign them the tier of "At least (insert feat level), likely higher."
I would be fine with the tier of "At least High 4-C, likely 4-B", but outright slamming them all into a higher tier for a feat more than 5x below the baseline requirement seems disingenuous.
3. Not Destroyed: GBE assumes that someone is able to destroy something to the point that all gravity of the object is broken, and all pieces are scattered into space, never to be bound together again (unless another body pulls them back together). Zeus didn't do that. He moved them. If I throw a bowling ball, it doesn't mean I can obliterate that bowling ball.
I know that he moved them at FTL speeds, but at this point it is completely unquantifiable. If going by the Celestial Body Feats page, the cast should all be 4-A, as moving multiple solar systems at FTL speeds would be classified as 4-A. While I personally think this is outdated in and of itself, I don't see where they end up as 4-B.
Essentially, it takes yet another assumption, that of assuming Zeus cannot only move the stars, but also destroy them, to assign the cast this ranking. While I do generally think that he could have destroyed them, since this moving feat is casual, it would probably take more effort, and thus make the jump from High 4-C to 4-B even more erroneous.
So? What now? Kingdom Hearts cast either drops from "4-B" to "At least High 4-C" or "At least High 4-C, likely higher".
TLDR: Calc is incorrect in assumptions, jump in tiers too great to be accomplished without some serious jumps in power of the characters, and even then it is dodgy. Bring them down to the guaranteed level and let the "high" or "at least" add-ons to their job.
1. The Calculation is Outdated: Probably the biggest one here, but the calculation assumes that all the stars used in the constellation are Sun-like. "But aren't most stars like our Sun?" Short answer: No. Our Sun is large and actually fairly dense compared to the majority of the stars we know of. I went more in depth with this in calculation what the average star would be like, giants, white dwarves, and neutron pulsar stars excluded. If we plug in the found number of stars, 614, and multiply it by my average star GBE, 1.517x10^41 joules, we get a new value of 9.314x10^43 joules. Not quite 1 FOE. In fact, this is pretty far below Large Star level+, falling just in the upper end up Large Star level.
2. Casual Scaling: The original calculation was accepted, and Sora and crew were moved into 4-B, despite the gap between that and the next level being over 5x. This was because Zeus did this feat without much effort, and he is weaker than the main gang. But unless we want to essentially get rid of the "+" symbol entirely for any feat that isn't max power, we should adopt this form of scaling. Until better options arise, it is the best we have to go on, so we assign them the tier of "At least (insert feat level), likely higher."
I would be fine with the tier of "At least High 4-C, likely 4-B", but outright slamming them all into a higher tier for a feat more than 5x below the baseline requirement seems disingenuous.
3. Not Destroyed: GBE assumes that someone is able to destroy something to the point that all gravity of the object is broken, and all pieces are scattered into space, never to be bound together again (unless another body pulls them back together). Zeus didn't do that. He moved them. If I throw a bowling ball, it doesn't mean I can obliterate that bowling ball.
I know that he moved them at FTL speeds, but at this point it is completely unquantifiable. If going by the Celestial Body Feats page, the cast should all be 4-A, as moving multiple solar systems at FTL speeds would be classified as 4-A. While I personally think this is outdated in and of itself, I don't see where they end up as 4-B.
Essentially, it takes yet another assumption, that of assuming Zeus cannot only move the stars, but also destroy them, to assign the cast this ranking. While I do generally think that he could have destroyed them, since this moving feat is casual, it would probably take more effort, and thus make the jump from High 4-C to 4-B even more erroneous.
So? What now? Kingdom Hearts cast either drops from "4-B" to "At least High 4-C" or "At least High 4-C, likely higher".
TLDR: Calc is incorrect in assumptions, jump in tiers too great to be accomplished without some serious jumps in power of the characters, and even then it is dodgy. Bring them down to the guaranteed level and let the "high" or "at least" add-ons to their job.
