Kingdom Hearts 2-B Upgrade

[Bobsican]

Yes, I know this was attemped before, and literally the only thing missing for it instead of 3-A was some legitimate lore of the "Worlds" being actually universe sized (As we can see here, please read this first so there are not many questions about context, most were already debated for here)

Now, what´s the new stuff that supports 2-B?

Yeah, I´m actually using Seth The Programmer for this one (Please watch if you have the time):

There is multiple stuff aroudn the series that supports this:

Sora's Powers Explained - Kingdom Hearts

- "World" in japanese ("Sekai") can not only mean, well, "World", but it can also mean "Society" and most notably... "Universe"

- Every single "World" has an sky full of stars, which doesn´t looks like the Realm of Light, the Realm Between or the Realm of Darkness.

- The Grand Councilwoma from Lilo and Stitch´s "World" in BbS has a journal page in-game that states the following as we can see in the link, which Seth explains well (Please watch from this timestamp until 5:18 for this part):

"Leader of the United Galactic Federation which oversees the universe. She rules firmly, but fairly and with an open mind."

Okay, so from the past thread we can already see that there being "countless" Worlds was already accepted, same with them having their own time axis and Kingdom Hearts itself holding all of those "Worlds", and because of this, this means that just KHI Sora, Donald and Goofy are 2-C via being able to keep up with Ansem while being empowered by 200 universes if the above is accepted.

This means that basically everyone is 2-C, and everyone that is 3-A is now 2-B as Xehanort´s 3-A thing would actually be 2-B as each "world" is an universe, of which there´s a countless amount as mentioned before.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Being empowered by other universes is not Multiversal, due to lack of familiarity with the series, I don't got much. But I trust Matthew Schroeder, Everlasting, or DragonMaster with this.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, he was empowered by the KH of "Worlds", which contained the power of those.

Also, Matt, Ever and Drag haven´t even said anything yet.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I know, I just said I'm waiting for them. Plus, that's still not quite enough context.

 

[Bobsican]

But yeah, the KH of Worlds is tied to all the worlds it managed to absorf thanks to the Heartless, hence why 2-C

But the main point is the "worlds" being actually universes, to put that clear.

 

[Bobsican]

Also, if you want more context, you can see the previous thread of this (which is already linked at the OP)

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[TheSpeedster96]

 

[UrakaOmni]

The whole "worlds" thing can be really vague. Have the same problems with Dragon Ball Heroes half the time. Anyway, following this.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, I can see this being quite dubious easily, so I don´t mind this being rejected, but whatever the case, I´m genuinely curious as to how this can go, as this has potential for being accepted too overall.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Modernmyrmidon]

I buy this

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

Being empowered by other universes is not Multiversal, due to lack of familiarity with the series, I don't got much. But I trust Matthew Schroeder, Everlasting, or DragonMaster with this.

Somebody should ask for their input then.

 

[Bobsican]

Very well, I´ll notify every knowledgeable KH member for this.

 

[Epsilon_R]

How far into 2-B would they be?

 

[Bobsican]

"there are as many worlds as there are stars", and considering it´s also stated to just be "countless", it should be at least trillions above baseline.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Hahahahahaha no to everything.

 

[Bobsican]

Hahahahahaha no to everything.

Please explain instead of just saying your thoughts

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Actually, I take that back. That was rude and dickish of me. So, sorry for that sarcasm.

 

[Bobsican]

Okay, thanks, but seriously, I can see this getting denied, once again, but I would like to at least see why exactly.

Wait, if that was sarcasm... you are agreeing with this?

 

[Axl233]

Being empowered by other universes is not Multiversal, due to lack of familiarity with the series, I don't got much. But I trust Matthew Schroeder, Everlasting, or DragonMaster with this.

I'ts multiversal because the thing that is empowering him can restore said universes

 

[Antvasima]

Somebody should ask for their input then.

Anyone?

 

[Modernmyrmidon]

Like I said, I agree with this.

 

[Bobsican]

Anyone?

I´ll go ahead and ask them.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

I think 2-C is best suited for the series honestly. My biggest problem comes from the fact that Dream Drop Distance is practically the only thing to remotely support the idea of each world having a different space-time like that, especially with how the worlds used to be connected and were technically under one before the Keyblade War broke out. The Realm of Light should be its own space-time and same thing with the Realm of Darkness.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, in the past thread Riku seems to have been agreed on to be an actually reliable source to derivate the idea from, so that´s not an issue, especially considering that already got accepted respectively.

As for the Realm of Light and of Darkness part, I can agree, considering you can only travel between them with portals generally.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

It's not a matter of him not being trustworthy, it just comes down to a matter of lore. Also, I'm rather sure them having different space-times was never accepted. People were against that if memory serves correctly.

 

[Bobsican]

It was accepted that each "world" had its own time axis. Yes, there were some against it (As usual), but it was agreed on in the end.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This is ridiculous on so many different levels. The KH worlds aren't parallel universes we have covered this so many times it's physically painful at this point.

 

[Wokistan]

I don't want to stick around for this, but if how long it took to get tier 2 Destiny is any indication, simply having your own temporal axis separate from the main universe is not enough for universal size. It has to actually be that big.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Universal ROSAT

 

[Bobsican]

I don't want to stick around for this, but if how long it took to get tier 2 Destiny is any indication, simply having your own temporal axis separate from the main universe is not enough for universal size. It has to actually be that big.

Yes, that´s just a supporting thing.

The main deal is whether or not "worlds" = "Universes" in KH, meaning that this doesn´t debunk the lore that´s mentioned at the OP

 

[Bobsican]

This is ridiculous on so many different levels. The KH worlds aren't parallel universes we have covered this so many times it's physically painful at this point.

Them being parallel wasn´t even really discussed to begin with (beyond the Toy Story canon thing), and it doesn´t really matters either here, so I don´t know why you bring that up.

 

[Accelerate420]

The Worlds aren't universe sized as they all share the same time axis and they're planetoids. Especially with how in KH1, when a World is gone, a star disappears. Unless you really want to suggest all of the stars in the skies are universes?

 

[Bobsican]

The Worlds aren't universe sized as they all share the same time axis and they're planetoids. Especially with how in KH1, when a World is gone, a star disappears. Unless you really want to suggest all of the stars in the skies are universes?

No no, each "world" has its own time axis (As we can see in the previous thread) and them being planetoids lacks reasonings on your part. Please explain your statements..

And yes, if "world" = "universe" gets accepted (Which is the whole point), yes, as the 2-B part at the bottom suggests, each star in the sky is an actual universe.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Okay yeah fully agree with Accelerate here.

 

[Bobsican]

No no, each "world" has its own time axis (As we can see in the previous thread) and them being planetoids lacks reasonings on your part. Please explain your statements..

And yes, if "world" = "universe" gets accepted (Which is the whole point), yes, as the 2-B part at the bottom suggests, each star in the sky is an actual universe.

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