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@J-Man Its not making a vibration in the air, its not even an attack hitting him from the real world, he wouldnt be ble to sense it
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Kars vs Bayonetta
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"Upon entering"
It won't be invisible at that point.
It won't be invisible at that point.
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It takes one step to go into purgatorio and then all of her attacks are invisible to things in the real world
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Kars entering, Weekly. I've been arguing from the scenario that Kars will enter Purgatorio upon understanding her after stopping time when seeing her leave.
Edit: To which you said, Kars entering to Purgatorio will deactivate TWU. And I replied that even if that happenes, a surprise shot will not take him down, as he would then reactivate it when reacting to the shot.
Edit: To which you said, Kars entering to Purgatorio will deactivate TWU. And I replied that even if that happenes, a surprise shot will not take him down, as he would then reactivate it when reacting to the shot.
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How exactly would he do that though? I thought he needed to be unfamiliar with the concept before he UNDERSTANDS? He's already familiar with dimension hopping, time manipulation, and portal creation is he not?
Also there's Bayo's Yellow Moon Loppipop that makes her immune to damage up to High 4-C as well as hax from the likes of Jubileus
Also there's Bayo's Yellow Moon Loppipop that makes her immune to damage up to High 4-C as well as hax from the likes of Jubileus
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That would makes understanding far more easy ...
That would makes understanding far more easy ...
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@J-Man what i mean is why would he bother trying to understand something he's already familiar with
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Which means he will understand faster. He was exposed to Time Manipulation with Whitesnake, that didn't stopped him from understanding The World later.
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>Immune to hax from a character that uses completely different hax .
Quick make bayoneta vs a digimon .
Damage? Kars probably wouldnt punch bayo unless he and bayo had a understanding and opted for a fistbfight .
Quick make bayoneta vs a digimon .
Damage? Kars probably wouldnt punch bayo unless he and bayo had a understanding and opted for a fistbfight .
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Because Whitesnake and the World have two different time manipulating abilities. Why would Kars bother understanding something he's already familiar with in the first place?
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What the bloody hell ? Understanding isnt a power he activates he understands passively .
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@J-Man Look at her profile, Bayo already has wins over two digimon
And how also would he understand something that isnt even there in the first place?
And how also would he understand something that isnt even there in the first place?
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This will lead to arguing semantics, lol. How "can" you stop yourself from understanding something?
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@Lephyr You go to high school thats how
also would he understand something that isnt even there in the first place?
also would he understand something that isnt even there in the first place?
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Tell that to D4C.WeeklyBattles said:
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Yeah and not because bayo resists hax .
Man thats a nlft. Resisting hax from one character means bayo can resist hax from hax bayo had not encountered ?.
Man thats a nlft. Resisting hax from one character means bayo can resist hax from hax bayo had not encountered ?.
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Weekly, please. You should know ovo better than that.WeeklyBattles said:
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So how exactly does he understand something that isnt there in the first place?
What is stopping Bayo from taking one step and entering Purgatorio, shooting Kars with an invisible 5-B bullet and then killing D4C when it tries to get away?
Hell whats stopping her from cutting him with Shuraba and sucking out his souls, which includes his stands as stands are souls. And yes im aware of what it says on his profile but surviving soul destruction doesnt make you immune to having your souls removed. After which Bayo can just hit him once and kill him beyone his ability to regenerate.
What is stopping Bayo from taking one step and entering Purgatorio, shooting Kars with an invisible 5-B bullet and then killing D4C when it tries to get away?
Hell whats stopping her from cutting him with Shuraba and sucking out his souls, which includes his stands as stands are souls. And yes im aware of what it says on his profile but surviving soul destruction doesnt make you immune to having your souls removed. After which Bayo can just hit him once and kill him beyone his ability to regenerate.
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He can see the effect. Thats enough .
A lot. Which youre constantly ignoring.
Probably time stop or btd? This doesnt require a lot of thinking .
A lot. Which youre constantly ignoring.
Probably time stop or btd? This doesnt require a lot of thinking .
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Time stop wont affect her if he uses it from the real world
Bites the Dust only has universal range, it wouldnt affect he rin Purgatorio
And Kars has never lead with either
Bites the Dust only has universal range, it wouldnt affect he rin Purgatorio
And Kars has never lead with either
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Also fun fact weekly. Are ya aware mind discs and soul discs come as a pair ?. This was heavility established.
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Dense .
Actually btd has multiversal range. Btd effected and worked while he was within a parallel world and put him back before Dio within a different world. Btd set the clock back on at least two parallel universe weekly .
Kars also didnt have btd within a batle before. And he can efortlesly deduce the best course of action .
Actually btd has multiversal range. Btd effected and worked while he was within a parallel world and put him back before Dio within a different world. Btd set the clock back on at least two parallel universe weekly .
Kars also didnt have btd within a batle before. And he can efortlesly deduce the best course of action .
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Range: 100 kilometers (Created tendrils that wrapped around a spaceship from this distance) | At least 8 kilometers with Das Boot Ultimate (The original Das Boot was attacking Kars' moon, which was eight kilometers from the surface of Mars). At least Planetary with Dune Ultimate (Its original was capable of gathering the entirety of sand on Mars). At least 10 meters with The World Ultimate (Should be comparable to original The World); Time Stop has universal range. 1 meter with Killer Queen (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe). Universal with Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe.). At least 2 meters with D4C Ultimate (Comparable if not above the original D4C); Universal with D4C Ultimate's ability. | At least 20 meters with Whitesnake Ultimate (Comparable if not above the original Whitesnake) | At least a several kilometer radius with C-Moon Ultimate (Comparable if not above the original C-Moo and could send him into the stratosphere) | Universal+ with Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem
If you think its otherwise then you need to make a CRT my man otherwise dont argue using stuff thats not on the profile
If you think its otherwise then you need to make a CRT my man otherwise dont argue using stuff thats not on the profile
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Kars never using it in battle before is even more evidence that he wouldnt lead with it
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Lephyr can vouch for me.
Youre excluding context(he obtained btd after his batle ) and he would lead depending on what bayoneta does . A few hundred posts later and still on the original point .
Youre acting like kars would stand there and not do anything or deduce a plan from what his oponents do with his iq and skill when he would . Stop outright excluding what ultimate can do for the sake of your points weekly .
Youre excluding context(he obtained btd after his batle ) and he would lead depending on what bayoneta does . A few hundred posts later and still on the original point .
Youre acting like kars would stand there and not do anything or deduce a plan from what his oponents do with his iq and skill when he would . Stop outright excluding what ultimate can do for the sake of your points weekly .
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Dont matter if he can vouch, if it isnt on the profile you cant argue it, you literally called me out for the same thing earlier in this thread, hypocritical much.
Kars doesnt have anything that can outright affect Bayonetta from the real world and by the time he figures out he needs to get to Purgatorio to affect her she'd already have an intangible soul sucking katana in his torso sucking out all of his souls and his stands.
What im acting like is based off of Kars' actions in the book. He never leads with time stop and he never even used BtD in combat.
Kars doesnt have anything that can outright affect Bayonetta from the real world and by the time he figures out he needs to get to Purgatorio to affect her she'd already have an intangible soul sucking katana in his torso sucking out all of his souls and his stands.
What im acting like is based off of Kars' actions in the book. He never leads with time stop and he never even used BtD in combat.
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And yet here we are debating things that bayoneta cant do.
This is where you're showing your lack of knowledge. D4c btd etc the moment he feels the blade. Two that wouldnt take anywhere as long as ya think. Also d4c wouldnt be effected. Or btd.
No ypure excluding any thing kars can do and acting like hed do nothing when he has answers and the smarts to use the answers weekly . Dont attempt making or sugar coating what ypure doing because its getting to be tiresome .
This is where you're showing your lack of knowledge. D4c btd etc the moment he feels the blade. Two that wouldnt take anywhere as long as ya think. Also d4c wouldnt be effected. Or btd.
No ypure excluding any thing kars can do and acting like hed do nothing when he has answers and the smarts to use the answers weekly . Dont attempt making or sugar coating what ypure doing because its getting to be tiresome .
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Again, tell that to D4C. He never once saw how the stand looked. He only saw and experienced the clapping from Funny. Was enough to understand. The moment she disappears, he will understand.WeeklyBattles said:
"Didn't used BTD in combat"
True, but doesn't need to. KQ works independently from him.
"Time stop won't affect her from the real world"
Doesn't need to.
"Cutting"
Dune
"Doesn't lead with time stop"
Except when he did against the Funnies D4C, something very similar to Bayo going to another dimension. Again, in this especific encounter, he may start with it.
And yes, BTD works from being across 36 universes away.
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@J-Man Like what?
He needs a medium to travel through to use D4C's dimension hopping, which he wont get the chance to do when a 5-B character is holding him in place and impaling him.
Because a lot of what Kars can do wont affect Bayonetta, only a handful of his powers can do anything to her.
He needs a medium to travel through to use D4C's dimension hopping, which he wont get the chance to do when a 5-B character is holding him in place and impaling him.
Because a lot of what Kars can do wont affect Bayonetta, only a handful of his powers can do anything to her.
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@Lephyr Killer Queen would gets its head blown off without Bayo even needing to look at it.
Bayo can affect intangible and incorporeal entities, Dune wont do anything.
Then you need to make a CRT for BTD
Bayo can affect intangible and incorporeal entities, Dune wont do anything.
Then you need to make a CRT for BTD
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"He needs a medium to travel through to use D4C"
"Holding him in place"
You... Do know one of his major powers is shapeshifting, right? He could even use his hair to teleport if he wanted. Or grow another set of hands and clap himself away.
"Holding him in place"
You... Do know one of his major powers is shapeshifting, right? He could even use his hair to teleport if he wanted. Or grow another set of hands and clap himself away.
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Not entirely true and read over what ya said. Then realize why what ya said makes zero sense .
Ya mean about 70 percent? Mind steal. Mind destroy. Bomb one. Btd. Time stop. D4c paradox . Whitesnakes barely used powers and rot piwer and he has plenty of answer to all of bayos things .
Also temporal paradox and a cmoon punch although the latter wont be a thing .
Ya mean about 70 percent? Mind steal. Mind destroy. Bomb one. Btd. Time stop. D4c paradox . Whitesnakes barely used powers and rot piwer and he has plenty of answer to all of bayos things .
Also temporal paradox and a cmoon punch although the latter wont be a thing .
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>Mind steal. Mind destroy. Bomb one.
Requires contact which Bayo will never allow to happen
>Btd.
Bayo murders KQ before it gets a chance to use it
>Time stop.
Going to make a CRT in the morning as i found more evidence of Bayo resisting time stops
>D4c paradox .
Currently discussing readding her paradox immunity
>Whitesnakes barely used powers and rot piwer and he has plenty of answer to all of bayos things.
Emphasis on 'Barely used'
Requires contact which Bayo will never allow to happen
>Btd.
Bayo murders KQ before it gets a chance to use it
>Time stop.
Going to make a CRT in the morning as i found more evidence of Bayo resisting time stops
>D4c paradox .
Currently discussing readding her paradox immunity
>Whitesnakes barely used powers and rot piwer and he has plenty of answer to all of bayos things.
Emphasis on 'Barely used'
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There are also different types of intangibilities. Dune is logia-type, specifically sand. Now, imma go ahead and venture to say: has Bayo "cutted" sand?
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And for the record, I'm not even voting Kars. However, the arguments being used against him ignore some of his stuff and/or simply doesn't convince me. That said, I believe both sides have almost basically "countered each other". My opinion? Inconclusive. They each have answers to each others arsenal to a point that they almost counter the other blow for blow.
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Bayo cant prevent kars from doing that within a time stop plus ya keep exclaims bayo wont be touched kars would be forced a time stop on bayoneta .
Doubftul. Especially as btd can dust bayo from at least a city away excluding time manipulation .
Kars can time stop characters that already resist time stop. Bayo would need a double resistance .
Yeah. But seeing as ya dont think he'd yse any of his powers that essentially leaves a few left which being those .
Theres more powers weekly. Kars could manipulate bayos brain and make bayonet a pile of organic material.
Doubftul. Especially as btd can dust bayo from at least a city away excluding time manipulation .
Kars can time stop characters that already resist time stop. Bayo would need a double resistance .
Yeah. But seeing as ya dont think he'd yse any of his powers that essentially leaves a few left which being those .
Theres more powers weekly. Kars could manipulate bayos brain and make bayonet a pile of organic material.
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BTW, time paradox immunity doesn't prevent D4C paradox. Kars has it in the novel, yet was still affected by it.
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Bayo was able to kick a monster across a city and catch it with a portal she opened from that distance and was able to hit a small hole in a gas tanker from several hundred meters away without even bothering to look at it, she'd be able to hit KQ, hell characters on Bayo's level can snipe stuff in orbit
In order to do that he needs physical contact or biological material such as blood
In order to do that he needs physical contact or biological material such as blood
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1. Time stop. Activated at a thought and used when avoiding attacks . Bayoneta doesnt resist kars time stop as dio was frozen completely upon the first usage and dio already had time stop resistance. Ultimate also resists Bayonettas time manipulation and is unefected. Can be spamed and used for avoiding and doing potential attacks and counter atack .
2. D4c paradox erases obviously . D4c also has the ability to body and dimension hop across the multiverse (far beyond bayonettas range ) at a whim. Far faster than a bullet . Alternatively d4c also leads to an unlimited amount of kars duplicates that can engage bayoneta . Bayoneta also making contact with ultinate would allow the portion (and the entire of ) kars to be capable of dimension hoping . Weaponary not excluded . Also upon defeat d4c instantly makes a parallel kars a host transferring over primary goal and information .
3.Btd. At a whim kars can time travel back and on top of that bayoneta would be fated to be destroyed . Bayoneta doesnt have time paradox resustance while ultimate does also the range on btd can dust bayoneta from at least a city and btd time manipulation covered multiple universes actually
Btd would be done by kq even if ulyimate go defeated .
4.Whitesnake can melt souls. Transmutate and remove the mind as a disc (Bayoneta doesnt resist that form of mind manipulation ) . Whitesnake can destroy the mind and souls as a disc . Even assuming bayoneta resists the aspect of the soul (does bayoneta resist soul transmuation? Probably not actually ) bayoneta resistance on the mind aspect wont prevent kars from doing a mind read. Mind wipe. Mind destruction plus a mind removal . Or power steal depending on if bayoneta would have any soul or mind based power even .
5.Whitesnake also would have sleep and dream inducement and roting of the body . Ooc though .
6.Bazilion hax is resisted by kars from being uneffected by queen .
7.Adaption and copy. Purgatorio isnt a safe place. Kars would follow upon seeing bayoneta go there. May piss him off and za warudo even . He can adapt powers bayoneta uses and gain resistances . That and btd make bayoneta hard pressed to defeat ultimate .
8. While may not mean a lot kars holds a quite big skill and intellect advantage . Understanding and depending on what bayoneta would lead with may factor barly into the match when kars can deduce a plan quickly using what he has fast even .
9.Logia shuts down a handful of bayonetas power and makes kars hard to hit seeing as soundman could hide within the mass of sand .
10. Cmoon would ohko bayoneta although this would be a last potential option for ultinate kars despite that .
Theres more example biological manipulation despite that my points above for ya now .
Ya force scenarios that would lead with kars doing za warudo .
2. D4c paradox erases obviously . D4c also has the ability to body and dimension hop across the multiverse (far beyond bayonettas range ) at a whim. Far faster than a bullet . Alternatively d4c also leads to an unlimited amount of kars duplicates that can engage bayoneta . Bayoneta also making contact with ultinate would allow the portion (and the entire of ) kars to be capable of dimension hoping . Weaponary not excluded . Also upon defeat d4c instantly makes a parallel kars a host transferring over primary goal and information .
3.Btd. At a whim kars can time travel back and on top of that bayoneta would be fated to be destroyed . Bayoneta doesnt have time paradox resustance while ultimate does also the range on btd can dust bayoneta from at least a city and btd time manipulation covered multiple universes actually
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. Ultimate would already have information on bayoneta and her powers and also having the option to paradox .4.Whitesnake can melt souls. Transmutate and remove the mind as a disc (Bayoneta doesnt resist that form of mind manipulation ) . Whitesnake can destroy the mind and souls as a disc . Even assuming bayoneta resists the aspect of the soul (does bayoneta resist soul transmuation? Probably not actually ) bayoneta resistance on the mind aspect wont prevent kars from doing a mind read. Mind wipe. Mind destruction plus a mind removal . Or power steal depending on if bayoneta would have any soul or mind based power even .
5.Whitesnake also would have sleep and dream inducement and roting of the body . Ooc though .
6.Bazilion hax is resisted by kars from being uneffected by queen .
7.Adaption and copy. Purgatorio isnt a safe place. Kars would follow upon seeing bayoneta go there. May piss him off and za warudo even . He can adapt powers bayoneta uses and gain resistances . That and btd make bayoneta hard pressed to defeat ultimate .
8. While may not mean a lot kars holds a quite big skill and intellect advantage . Understanding and depending on what bayoneta would lead with may factor barly into the match when kars can deduce a plan quickly using what he has fast even .
9.Logia shuts down a handful of bayonetas power and makes kars hard to hit seeing as soundman could hide within the mass of sand .
10. Cmoon would ohko bayoneta although this would be a last potential option for ultinate kars despite that .
Theres more example biological manipulation despite that my points above for ya now .
Ya force scenarios that would lead with kars doing za warudo .
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Bayo also has forcefields incorporeal characters cant go through
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