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Yeah speed equal though. Btd dusting ya is an instant effect within jorge joestar (proven early on ).WeeklyBattles said:
Za warudo weekly .
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Kars vs Bayonetta
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Za warudo weekly .
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Cool so does kars now . Then btd before bayoneta decided to turtle .WeeklyBattles said:
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Also forgot although might can be used and focused on the ysers . Ultimate would blitz.
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Speed is equalized
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Yeah. Probably why mih amps from accelerating the users time . Which is doable within equalization .WeeklyBattles said:
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1. Bayo has experience fighting people who use that exact same technique to do the exact same thing.
2. Bayo's bullets scale to her own speed. Youre also assuming D4C doesnt get soul sucked by Shuraba or killed by any of Bayo's attacks when it tried to get close enough to try to take Bayo to a parallel universe in order to paradox her.
3. Bayo's TPI is being re-added and Bayo can snipe KQ trying to use BTD without even needing to look at it.
4. Bayo resists having her soul ripped out, eaten, and absorbed. While youre correct on the mind aspect, he'd never get close enough to Bayo to be able to use it.
6. Wont save him from the At least 5-B aspect of her attacks which would atomize him through sheer AP and not hax, which he wouldnt resist.
9. Bayo's enhanced senses are good enough to track down Jeanne's soul in Inferno, a realm full of lost souls, hiding in sand isnt going to do much for Kars.
10. C-Moon wouldnt do anything as Bayo is more than strong enough to resist what it can do.
I never forced a scenario with Kars leading with Za Warudo, on the contrary ive been arguing that he wouldnt lead with it.
Now then, for Bayo there's also:
2. Bayo's bullets scale to her own speed. Youre also assuming D4C doesnt get soul sucked by Shuraba or killed by any of Bayo's attacks when it tried to get close enough to try to take Bayo to a parallel universe in order to paradox her.
3. Bayo's TPI is being re-added and Bayo can snipe KQ trying to use BTD without even needing to look at it.
4. Bayo resists having her soul ripped out, eaten, and absorbed. While youre correct on the mind aspect, he'd never get close enough to Bayo to be able to use it.
6. Wont save him from the At least 5-B aspect of her attacks which would atomize him through sheer AP and not hax, which he wouldnt resist.
9. Bayo's enhanced senses are good enough to track down Jeanne's soul in Inferno, a realm full of lost souls, hiding in sand isnt going to do much for Kars.
10. C-Moon wouldnt do anything as Bayo is more than strong enough to resist what it can do.
I never forced a scenario with Kars leading with Za Warudo, on the contrary ive been arguing that he wouldnt lead with it.
Now then, for Bayo there's also:
- The Red Hot Shot, an instant resurrection upon death
- The Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa, which reflects attacks including physical attacks and attacks from incorporeal beings
- Pulley's Butterfly, which blocks any and all incoming attacks even if they arent inherently damaging
- Dune doesnt have the resistance to atomization that Kars does
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1. Youre forgetting or at least completely ignoring that bayoneta does not resist kars tine stop. Ultimate za warudo can time stop dio. A character that already has a resistance to time stop. When jars decides to time stop bayoneta us are his mercy . Also experience? Kars has plenty of experience himself .
2. Yeah and? My point was the bullet must be fired and travel along a trajectory . D4c would be done hopping way before then . Ya now the saying. Assuming makes an ass out of me and you. He doesnt have to grab bayoneta he can grab an bayoneta from a parallel world and bring bayoneta to the base world. A younger defenceless bayoneta would be fine and do a good . Also of course. D4c is a separate entity technically. D4c breaks the stand rule of damage or effects on the user or stand effect appear on the user and stand weekly . And dune say hi for cutting and btd also kq activating the moment of and going back as bayo wouldnt of been aware of kq and btd kq are completely unrelated and wont be harmed .
3. No you THINK its being readded. Matthew and lasting already showed explicit qualms weekly .
4. Its called time stop and time acceleration . And that would mean bayoneta doesnt have a resustances to soul transmutation .
6.Thats where d4c and dimension hopping when any weapon bayoneta or object make contact with him. Example above . Or ya know. Time stopping and avoiding despite a handful of ways he cpuld .
9. Fair enough . Then.again dune can potentially hold bayo down. Whats bayo strength for lifting ? . Dune can manipulate rock and concrete . Central Park (a large city ) would give plenty of material ). Unless bayo goes purgatorio although assuming d4c duplicates and kars himself following bayoneta would be forced come and go back eventually .
10.Cmoon turns what it touches inside out . Thats hax weekly not ap based .
>I never forced a scenario with Kars leading with Za Warudo, on the contrary ive been arguing that he wouldnt lead with it.
No your entire premise boils down to "he won't" even though lephyr agreed that kars himself would probably use za warudo given the scenario but youre only reading what ya want .
>The Red Hot Shot, an instant resurrection upon death.
Death and having the mind removed and destroyed. Existence erasure from paradox. And honestly most of kars things dont correlate . Its a direct form of nlf assuming that would resurrection from things that arent straight murder and things that the ability didn't show . The red shot only heals back health. Meaning wounds and that. Which would be pointless from the obvious fact ultimate kars wont be doing any damage that would be healed or death for that matter .
>The Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa, which reflects attacks including physical attacks and attacks from incorporeal beings.
Mate. Time stop. Kars would be and is free to do as he would please . Also things like btd and d4c arent getting deflected .
Especially as all that happens is a small force field . Hell youre giving kars free powers now .
>Pulley's Butterfly, which blocks any and all incoming attacks even if they arent inherently damaging
Cool that wont prevent btd the butterflys also explode or get erased . Also a new power for kars weekly . All that happens essentially is butterfly would take a bullet except thats a case of extrapolating what was proven and shown and what a power would and camt do man . A lot of kars powers bypass that entirely .
>Dune doesnt have the resistance to atomization that Kars .
It does actually. And you realize that if bayo opts to bazillion dune that prevents bayo from stopping one of the many counter plays ultimate would pull off .
Then on to what kars would be capable of .
1.Made in heaven can be focused on a user or specific targets . This would instant boosts kars by thousands and then quickly encroach on nigh infinite speed . Meaning bayo wont and cant even harm kars and the speed alone would blitz . Also activated by a thought .
2.Kars without d4c also can make duplicates made of light .
3.D4c would and can gather kars which all would have stands . The amount can be as many needed .
4. Theres a strong potential that kars could deduce what all of bayonetas powers are to begin with . At a chance he thinks he needs a prep he can piss off and d4c at a thought almost . That would be the least optimal potential scenario as kars would be given more than enough time to counter and adapt and gather duplicates and export d4c on duplicates weekly .
Mih and za warudo essentially do the same thing . Make ultimate do as he please while bayoneta cant dodge react or defend .
1. Youre forgetting or at least completely ignoring that bayoneta does not resist kars tine stop. Ultimate za warudo can time stop dio. A character that already has a resistance to time stop. When jars decides to time stop bayoneta us are his mercy . Also experience? Kars has plenty of experience himself .
2. Yeah and? My point was the bullet must be fired and travel along a trajectory . D4c would be done hopping way before then . Ya now the saying. Assuming makes an ass out of me and you. He doesnt have to grab bayoneta he can grab an bayoneta from a parallel world and bring bayoneta to the base world. A younger defenceless bayoneta would be fine and do a good . Also of course. D4c is a separate entity technically. D4c breaks the stand rule of damage or effects on the user or stand effect appear on the user and stand weekly . And dune say hi for cutting and btd also kq activating the moment of and going back as bayo wouldnt of been aware of kq and btd kq are completely unrelated and wont be harmed .
3. No you THINK its being readded. Matthew and lasting already showed explicit qualms weekly .
4. Its called time stop and time acceleration . And that would mean bayoneta doesnt have a resustances to soul transmutation .
6.Thats where d4c and dimension hopping when any weapon bayoneta or object make contact with him. Example above . Or ya know. Time stopping and avoiding despite a handful of ways he cpuld .
9. Fair enough . Then.again dune can potentially hold bayo down. Whats bayo strength for lifting ? . Dune can manipulate rock and concrete . Central Park (a large city ) would give plenty of material ). Unless bayo goes purgatorio although assuming d4c duplicates and kars himself following bayoneta would be forced come and go back eventually .
10.Cmoon turns what it touches inside out . Thats hax weekly not ap based .
>I never forced a scenario with Kars leading with Za Warudo, on the contrary ive been arguing that he wouldnt lead with it.
No your entire premise boils down to "he won't" even though lephyr agreed that kars himself would probably use za warudo given the scenario but youre only reading what ya want .
>The Red Hot Shot, an instant resurrection upon death.
Death and having the mind removed and destroyed. Existence erasure from paradox. And honestly most of kars things dont correlate . Its a direct form of nlf assuming that would resurrection from things that arent straight murder and things that the ability didn't show . The red shot only heals back health. Meaning wounds and that. Which would be pointless from the obvious fact ultimate kars wont be doing any damage that would be healed or death for that matter .
>The Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa, which reflects attacks including physical attacks and attacks from incorporeal beings.
Mate. Time stop. Kars would be and is free to do as he would please . Also things like btd and d4c arent getting deflected .
Especially as all that happens is a small force field . Hell youre giving kars free powers now .
>Pulley's Butterfly, which blocks any and all incoming attacks even if they arent inherently damaging
Cool that wont prevent btd the butterflys also explode or get erased . Also a new power for kars weekly . All that happens essentially is butterfly would take a bullet except thats a case of extrapolating what was proven and shown and what a power would and camt do man . A lot of kars powers bypass that entirely .
>Dune doesnt have the resistance to atomization that Kars .
It does actually. And you realize that if bayo opts to bazillion dune that prevents bayo from stopping one of the many counter plays ultimate would pull off .
Then on to what kars would be capable of .
1.Made in heaven can be focused on a user or specific targets . This would instant boosts kars by thousands and then quickly encroach on nigh infinite speed . Meaning bayo wont and cant even harm kars and the speed alone would blitz . Also activated by a thought .
2.Kars without d4c also can make duplicates made of light .
3.D4c would and can gather kars which all would have stands . The amount can be as many needed .
4. Theres a strong potential that kars could deduce what all of bayonetas powers are to begin with . At a chance he thinks he needs a prep he can piss off and d4c at a thought almost . That would be the least optimal potential scenario as kars would be given more than enough time to counter and adapt and gather duplicates and export d4c on duplicates weekly .
Mih and za warudo essentially do the same thing . Make ultimate do as he please while bayoneta cant dodge react or defend .
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Now that ya made me think about that .
Ultimate would probably time stop and take bayonetas weaponary and objects for safety .
Ultimate would probably time stop and take bayonetas weaponary and objects for safety .
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I will respond when I get home but considering Kars Kars is losing his atomization resistance that's another way Bayo can easily beat him
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>Once again ignoring d4c makes orojectikes useless .
Weekly listen and pay attention or dont devate . Also thats being comtested . Especially when Kira has multiple quotes exclaiming erasure explicitly.
Weekly listen and pay attention or dont devate . Also thats being comtested . Especially when Kira has multiple quotes exclaiming erasure explicitly.
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That wouldnt efect the match oven and jay . D4c makes projectles and punching useless . Only slicing would effect him .
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@Jay Bayo resists soul manip
Bayo also has paradox immunity that is in the process of bring re-added
All bayo needs is one cut from shuraba and she sucks out all of Kars' souls including his stands which are souls
Bayo also has paradox immunity that is in the process of bring re-added
All bayo needs is one cut from shuraba and she sucks out all of Kars' souls including his stands which are souls
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Except ya know. D4c and kq.
Or ya know impkying bayoneta even gets the chance because youre absolutely obsessed with the idea za warudo and mih won't be used even though youre the only user on this thread that think he wpuldnt .
Also the paradox thread dud not get bumpbed for days Weekly .
Also dune says hi weekly. . Also bayo doesnt resist soul transmutation .
Excluding the fact kar obtained a endurance for that form of hax .
Or ya know impkying bayoneta even gets the chance because youre absolutely obsessed with the idea za warudo and mih won't be used even though youre the only user on this thread that think he wpuldnt .
Also the paradox thread dud not get bumpbed for days Weekly .
Also dune says hi weekly. . Also bayo doesnt resist soul transmutation .
Excluding the fact kar obtained a endurance for that form of hax .
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@Jay The demon Alraune uses poison that destroys the soul on contact. Not only can Bayonetta shrug off this poison with no issue, but Jeanne, a witch of comparable power, was able to survive the same poison being pumped directly into her soul for almost a full day.
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J-Man. I read the novel. Kars doesnt lead with time stop. He's not leading with it here, stop acting like he will.
And the chances of him using Dune are...? She resists soul removal, absorption, and destruction.
Gotta love how his endurance is limitless with no justification and being able to survive when your soul is removed doesnt mean you cant get your soul removed again.
And the chances of him using Dune are...? She resists soul removal, absorption, and destruction.
Gotta love how his endurance is limitless with no justification and being able to survive when your soul is removed doesnt mean you cant get your soul removed again.
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Funny ya say that. Lephyr seems to agree. And he does lead with time stop. Did so on dio. Dud so on funny trap. Also >he wont lead when his oponents 4km away and he instantly recognizes a threat. Man guess bayo wont lead with any of what ya claim.
Passive .
Yeah but not transmutation.
Ya mean when he run for 10000000000000000 years while not stopping at all with no amount of tire?.
Mind disc and soul discs come in a set. Dont think ya need an explanation for that .
Passive .
Yeah but not transmutation.
Ya mean when he run for 10000000000000000 years while not stopping at all with no amount of tire?.
Mind disc and soul discs come in a set. Dont think ya need an explanation for that .
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The demon Alraune uses poison that destroys the soul on contact. Not only can Bayonetta shrug off this poison .
Thats if at all comparable weekly .
Thats if at all comparable weekly .
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"Jeanne, a witch of comparable power, was able to survive the same poison being pumped directly into her soul for almost a full day"
Just gonna conveniently ignore that part huh?
Just gonna conveniently ignore that part huh?
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Would of mentioned that although a billion years wont be comparable with kq wekly . Different forms of soul destruction and entirely different ways which bayoneta doesnt have a resustances toward weekly .
Essentially comparing mind hax done from telepathy while the rest brain manipulation . Different methods that dont transkate .
Also for a user that has almost entirely ignored what kars can do and has a premise of kars wont use 90 percent of his aresenal ya dont exactly have that right without being hypocritical .
Also dune pasive .
Essentially comparing mind hax done from telepathy while the rest brain manipulation . Different methods that dont transkate .
Also for a user that has almost entirely ignored what kars can do and has a premise of kars wont use 90 percent of his aresenal ya dont exactly have that right without being hypocritical .
Also dune pasive .
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"Lephyr agree"
Uh, no. I said I don't necessarily disagree that kars maybe would lead with it in this specific scenario. As I've said, I go with inconclusive.
Uh, no. I said I don't necessarily disagree that kars maybe would lead with it in this specific scenario. As I've said, I go with inconclusive.
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Ya said ya can easily see him doing that under this specific condition.
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He didn't say that. What he said is that, in this specific match-up, he would upon seeing her vanish into Purgatorio. Something I don't entirely agree nor disagree.
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Then add the multiple other posts.
My point is ultimate mih za warudo or d4c lead stomps baynoeta and he would understand bayonetas base abilities with no effort . And he most definitely would yse za warudo upon dodging a threat or projectile . Dune pasive so that doesnt need activation.
He wont be leading with whitesnake from 4km away and das boot he wouldnt yse alone .
While btd and kq also work fine.
My point is ultimate mih za warudo or d4c lead stomps baynoeta and he would understand bayonetas base abilities with no effort . And he most definitely would yse za warudo upon dodging a threat or projectile . Dune pasive so that doesnt need activation.
He wont be leading with whitesnake from 4km away and das boot he wouldnt yse alone .
While btd and kq also work fine.
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Dune doesnt give his soul or his stands elemental intangibility
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Debating the other points doesn't mean I agree with you. I disagreed with Weekly's over simplification (imo) of Kars' powers, mentality and potential actions. Nothing more, nothing less. I still believe this is inconclusive and hasn't been convinced otherwise.
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No but it gives him logia intagibility and unless bayoneta can soul steal a pile of stand. And excluding the fact kq would btd after that.
Also youre going the route of sword steal correct ? If thats what youre claiming bayoneta would lead with then bayonetas honestly screwed. Kars would morph his body around the blade or even avoid like he did against the arrow plus funy or za warudo. No bayoneta wont be doing that from purgatorio because he would be there with bayoneta.
Also youre going the route of sword steal correct ? If thats what youre claiming bayoneta would lead with then bayonetas honestly screwed. Kars would morph his body around the blade or even avoid like he did against the arrow plus funy or za warudo. No bayoneta wont be doing that from purgatorio because he would be there with bayoneta.
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She can do so to angels that can break their bodies down into light at will, and again, Kars' soul will not be turning into sand
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But can bayoneta even hit the angels with that weapon and soul steal when the angels are moving while formed as light.
Also ya did a nice job ignoring the rest of that. Point being bayoneta wont even hit kars weekly .
Bayoneta must be within mele range. Kars would Shapeshifting his body and avoud the blade and counter with whitesnake defeating bayoneta. Za warudo and move avoiding the blade which would open bayoneta for a counter attack. Or d4c and move and dimension hop and probably come back with duplicates ala funny valentine .
Made especially obvious as the blade explicitly actually alive and thus prone to understanding wekly .
Also kars doesnt even need a soul to function. Btd also completely circumvents him losing stands also d4c would be fine .
Also ya did a nice job ignoring the rest of that. Point being bayoneta wont even hit kars weekly .
Bayoneta must be within mele range. Kars would Shapeshifting his body and avoud the blade and counter with whitesnake defeating bayoneta. Za warudo and move avoiding the blade which would open bayoneta for a counter attack. Or d4c and move and dimension hop and probably come back with duplicates ala funny valentine .
Made especially obvious as the blade explicitly actually alive and thus prone to understanding wekly .
Also kars doesnt even need a soul to function. Btd also completely circumvents him losing stands also d4c would be fine .
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Dio after obtaining ultimate power surviving the destruction of za warudo .
Although mind and stand (soul) discs do come as a pair make of that what ya will jay .
Although mind and stand (soul) discs do come as a pair make of that what ya will jay .
