• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Kars (Composite) vs Soul King (Composite)

I'm confused: why wouldn't Kars just speed blitz and use something like TWOH, then when his good fortune turns to misfortune, literally oneshots himself?
 
BakiHanma18 said:
I'm confused: why wouldn't Kars just speed blitz and use something like TWOH, then when his good fortune turns to misfortune, literally oneshots himself?
Click to expand...
Because there is literally nothing left for Soul King to return the misfortune of, since he already got erased from existence in a frozen time.
 
That's the thing: SK can absorb bad luck and fire it back at an opponent, but the opponent's good luck of landing the move is passively turned back on himself, meaning SK would never get erased, Kars would hit SK and Reality Overwrite himself
 
BakiHanma18 said:
That's the thing: SK can absorb bad luck and fire it back at an opponent, but the opponent's good luck of landing the move is passively turned back on himself, meaning SK would never get erased, Kars would hit SK and Reality Overwrite himself
Click to expand...
Headcanon. Soul King doesn't have resistance to existence erasure in his profile, and one of the ability of Star Platinum Over Heaven is erasing your opponent from existence.
 
Are you serious???? It's Causality manipulation... Kars would literally use RO on SK and the affect would hit Kars instead of SK because RO erasing Kars is considered good luck
 
BakiHanma18 said:
Are you serious???? It's Causality manipulation... Kars would literally use RO on SK and the affect would hit Kars instead of SK because RO erasing Kars is considered good luck
Click to expand...
Where is your evidence that casuality manipulation can counter existence erasure? Jugram in-canon was only shown to counter physical injuries not abstract injuries.
 
The means of attack are irrelevant, he literally just passively reverses good luck, whether that good luck be a physical attack, a hax attack, etc
 
BakiHanma18 said:
The means of attack are irrelevant, he literally just passively reverses good luck, whether that good luck be a physical attack, a hax attack, etc
Click to expand...


16. No Limits Fallacy (NLF)
This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated).
 
In addition, the nature and specifics of the character's manipulation must be mentioned to provide context and avoid the No Limits Fallacy.

Context: if luck is manipulated in return or if the move is considered bad luck for the user, it will be redirected back at the user with good luck like an amp or healing, depending on the nature of the attack
 
BakiHanma18 said:
In addition, the nature and specifics of the character's manipulation must be mentioned to provide context and avoid the No Limits Fallacy.
Context: if luck is manipulated in return or if the move is considered bad luck for the user, it will be redirected back at the user with good luck like an amp or healing, depending on the nature of the attack
Click to expand...
Except Jugram in-canon has never shown the ability to counter or survive anything abstract, therefore giving someone an ability they never shown to display in the first place is considered NLF either by statements or by exarration. We go by context here.
 
14. Appeal to tradition.

This is when someone claims that an argument must be true because it's the way things have always been done previously, or the thing that people always believed before.
 
BakiHanma18 said:
14. Appeal to tradition.

This is when someone claims that an argument must be true because it's the way things have always been done previously, or the thing that people always believed before.
Click to expand...
12. Argument from belief
This is when someone states that they personally believe something to be true, without providing any actual evidence.
 
17. Undistributed middle

This is a fallacy where someone makes an argument of the following form: "All contents of set A are also contents of set B. X is in set B. Therefore X is in set A." The opposite would be true, though
 
BakiHanma18 said:
17. Undistributed middle

This is a fallacy where someone makes an argument of the following form: "All contents of set A are also contents of set B. X is in set B. Therefore X is in set A." The opposite would be true, though
Click to expand...
8. Red Herring
This is when someone attempts to rebut an argument by bringing up a completely unrelated point, a "Red herring", to lure his opponent away from the real point of the argument.
 
17. Undistributed middle

This is a fallacy where someone makes an argument of the following form: "All contents of set A are also contents of set B. X is in set B. Therefore X is in set A." The opposite would be true, though

8. Red Herring

This is when someone attempts to rebut an argument by bringing up a completely unrelated point, a "Red herring", to lure his opponent away from the real point of the argument.

7. Non-Sequitur

This is when someone's conclusion is not implied at all by the premise
 
BakiHanma18 said:
17. Undistributed middle
This is a fallacy where someone makes an argument of the following form: "All contents of set A are also contents of set B. X is in set B. Therefore X is in set A." The opposite would be true, though
Click to expand...
8. Red Herring
This is when someone attempts to rebut an argument by bringing up a completely unrelated point, a "Red herring", to lure his opponent away from the real point of the argument.

7. Non-Sequitur
This is when someone's conclusion is not implied at all by the premise

Do us all a favor by doing a content revision if you feel like The Balance can counter Existence Erasure, because you are now just bringing up pointless handcanon argument when you haven't brought any fractual argument up till now.
 
I mean Jugram wasn't able to survive Auswallen...

Intellectual dishonesty: you failed to mention that the Aushwallen Light isn't EE and that he let it happen to him
 
BakiHanma18 said:
I mean Jugram wasn't able to survive Auswallen...
Click to expand...
Intellectual dishonesty: you failed to mention that the Aushwallen Light isn't EE and that he let it happen to him
Evidence?
 
B R U H, he's literally Yhwach's right hand man, and he LITERALLY SAYS in his fight with Bazzard Black that people that are hit by the Light are doing a service to Yhwach and that he's just taking back what belongs to him anyway. Why would his right hand man NOT want him to be as amped as possible for the final engagement??!
 
BakiHanma18 said:
B R U H, he's literally Yhwach's right hand man, and he LITERALLY SAYS in his fight with Bazzard Black that people that are hit by the Light are doing a service to Yhwach and that he's just taking back what belongs to him anyway. Why would his right hand man NOT want him to be as amped as possible for the final engagement??!
Click to expand...
Now the main question is, what will happen if Jugram didn't let Yhwach use Auswallen on him and tried to betray him? Would The Balance then be able to counter Auswallen?
 
According to what we discussed here, no, because Yhwach Power nulls from the future, literally hard countering The Balance
 
BakiHanma18 said:
According to what we discussed here, no, because Yhwach Power nulls from the future, literally hard countering The Balance
Click to expand...
"The means of attack are irrelevant, he literally just passively reverses good luck, whether that good luck be a physical attack, a hax attack, etc"

You said it yourself, bub.
 
BakiHanma18 said:
I'm glad you understand now
Since the power null hasn't even happened yet, how could The Balance reverse it???
Click to expand...
Because Star Platinum Over Heaven can powernull The Balance from the future similar to Auswallen?
 
I'm glad you understand now
Since the power null hasn't even happened yet, how could The Balance reverse it???

Because Star Platinum Over Heaven can powernull The Balance from the future similar to Auswallen?

Evidence?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Livinmeme
Strongest 6-B (Kars vs Kang)
Replies
1
Views
738
Livinmeme
Livinmeme
DRW001
  • Locked
Beyond's Qualitative Superiority (JORGE JOESTAR)
2
Replies
50
Views
9K
Vyfourthaccount
Vyfourthaccount
EnderLord8
The King of Death and Deathwing vs Composite God Slayer and Weiss Schnee
Replies
5
Views
409
Topaz404
Topaz404
JohnCenaNation
Soul King vs Mori Dan (Equal Stats)
Replies
17
Views
3K
LordGinSama
LordGinSama
Mariogoods
Kars (JORGE JOESTAR) VS Sosuke Aizen
Replies
7
Views
3K
Overlord1
Back
Top