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I deem this as acceptable.
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Kakuzu is Being Downplayed
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Also I found this as the justification for the 8 tails durability. Now this is good because we have see the bijuu hurt the 8 tails with their standard attacks. Here is Son Goku hurting the 8 tails as well. This displays the bijuu as relative to each other, therefore relative to Kakuzu via the 2 tails. here is the actual feat.
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I think this case would be the most logical conclusion here, from Occam's Razor's aplication and the feats would mostly be Outlier and Inconsistency.Damage3245 said:
Also, for this sca, I don't think the title enough is the best text to draw the conclusion that the members are stronger than jinchuriki. In context, it suggests that these members are recruited because of their uniques ablities (that would Hax on the wiki) not just on strenghts to participate in co-op to take down tailed beasts. It heavily implied that Uniques abilties or Hax are the major factors in fighting tailed beasts or jinchuriki, so I would rejected the AP upgrade from Occam's Razor.
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I agree^
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I have yet to see an actual outlier displayed, every feat that has been brought up against kakuzu has been thoroughly explained and debunked. As for the Hidan argument, hidan would be required to harm the 2 tails in order to get its blood, or kakuzu would have needed to hurt it so he can get its blood in order to preform his ritual. But as I have already posted Kakuzu is stated stronger than hidan so either way it would scale to his AP. The databook scan was a supplementary point so not really relevant to the overall argument although it specifically says strength not hax.
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First of all the 2 tails is all fire. They can't even touch it. Second we are shown Yugito back in human form with blades already in her. This means something made her revert from her Jin form. She most likely transformed because of the damage she was doing. Like seriously she destroyed a mountain. Why would she want civilians caught up in that.
They can't get any blood from something they can't touch.
They can't get any blood from something they can't touch.
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Hidan has Regenerationn that would negate fire damage such as when Asuma literally burned his entire body and he came out fine. Kakuzu has diamond skin which would also protect him against the fire, we've literally seen beings such as the 9 tails swipe the 2 tails away and not catch on fire. She was unconscious at the end of the fight so yeah it's no wonder she wasn't in her jinchuriki form no idea what you're trying to imply with that point. Also I think you're forgetting that Yugito specifically prepped for Kakuzu and Hidan to be there and all civilians were removed hence why she had no quarrel with going into her avatar state.
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you making the point that they can't even touch the bijuu further adds validility to the claim noodles is making, that being it was kakazus physical strength that brought down the 2 tails not hidan using his hax. Also the point you made about how "she most likely transformed because of the damage she was doing" is mere speculation and is not supported by anything, the bijuu are stated to be relative to each other and have been shown tanking attacks from other bijuu (tailed beast bombs etc) so i doubt a mountain collapsing on her would put her out of commision. (especially since these bijuu bombs can be calced to being multi-continental in attack potency)
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I have to agree with astral, nedge and damage here.
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Here is hidan saying he is probably too slow to hit yugito as well, support for it being kakuzu, who was the one who drew blood.
here is Hidan saying that kakuzu is usually the doer of the 2, more support for it being Kakuzu.
Here is yugito saying she speciifcally lured and trapped them in this underground chamber, and Kakuzu actually claims this is better for them despite both of them being close range figthers relying on their AP.
here is Hidan saying that kakuzu is usually the doer of the 2, more support for it being Kakuzu.
Here is yugito saying she speciifcally lured and trapped them in this underground chamber, and Kakuzu actually claims this is better for them despite both of them being close range figthers relying on their AP.
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6A tbb??? R u guys new to this site or something??
She prepped to trap them underground.
We don't know how the fight went. All we see is her out of human form and we know for a fact that the 2 tails is non corporal.
Also she wasn't unconscious shown by the anime. She was pinned up agaisnt a wall. Which means she fought in her human form before she got caught in Hidans ritual since they have no way at all to even touch her in her 2 tails form
She prepped to trap them underground.
We don't know how the fight went. All we see is her out of human form and we know for a fact that the 2 tails is non corporal.
Also she wasn't unconscious shown by the anime. She was pinned up agaisnt a wall. Which means she fought in her human form before she got caught in Hidans ritual since they have no way at all to even touch her in her 2 tails form
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Also are people not thinking or something. If Hidan could touch the two tails for some reason it wouldn't mean anything if she got the blood because it wouldn't be Yugitos blood but the 2 tails ƒñªÔÇìÔÖ鴩ŃñªÔÇìÔÖ鴩ŃñªÔÇìÔÖé´©Å
Too much inconsistent shit and too many assumptions
Too much inconsistent shit and too many assumptions
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are you forgetting the fact that we actually see kakazu touch her?AstralKing7 said:
so i dont see where you are getting this pre-concieved notion that the 2 tails is non corporal
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It is the defintevely the most possible case that is supported by Occam's Razor. I honestly feel like it takes way more assumptions to prove High 6-C AP than a victories against jinchuriki/tailed beast by Hax which supported by this sca as unique abiltie.NoodIes67 said:
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How the hell will u touch something that doesn't have a physical body??? That's like saying you can punch fire since it can burn you.
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Okay so we may not know how the entire figth went but we do know she attack them in her tailed beast form with intention to kill them. here is Kakuzu tanking a direct attack. so his durability should be considered large isalnd leevl based upon this alone. Her being in her base after the fight does not dictate that she fought them in base.
I don't care about the anime she was completely beaten by this point and was completely unmoving. As stated in the databook each akatsuki member has to be capable of taking on a jinchuriki, so if both hidan and kakuzu are members that rely on their AP to beat their enemies it is the most likely assumption that is exactly what happened here because neither kakuzu or hidan have displayed hax that would bypass durability.
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she was literally hunting them in her tailed beast state.
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It's called Non-Physical InteractionAstralKing7 said:
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516516001215545350/583378109915463680/image0.jpgAstralKing7 said:
if you are in doubt here is kakazu physically stopping a strike from the 2 tails, again i do not know where you are getting this pre-concieved notion that the two tails cannot be touched.
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Where are you getting the idea that she is intangible here is the 9 tails hitting the 2 tails as well.
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Intangibility (Although the Bijuu transform into physical matter and give themselves normal biological bodies, they are primarily made entirely out of energy, and have been shown to exist in this state. As they are masses of energy in this state, they are impossible to kill by normal means)NoodIes67 said:
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Then that would give anyone who is able to touch them Non-Physical Interaction, right?
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Also I would like you to enlighten me on what hax Hidan and Kakuzu have that would bypass the durability or allow them to capture the 2 tails without using their AP. there only showings display that they are brute strength fighters and ocams razor is actually on my side as the simplest solution and most likely is that kakuzu beat her using his AP.
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Hidans ritual technique. All he needs is his enemies blood.
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Whoever compared the Second Raikage to Kakashi, stop that right now. The second Raikage went undamaged even agaisnt the 8 tails, and his only real scar was caused by his own technique, so the technique scales.
Not to mention, Sasuke goes from piercing people with chidori to destroying massive meteorites, and Kakashi made the Raikiri even still having the chidori. The same technique doesn't have the same power if the person improves, why would a similar technique be any different just because they work similarly? Are you gonna tell me Killer Bee is 6-A with his pencils or his sword because he makes them cut better with lightning chakra, literally the same thing the Chidori and Raikiri do? No, because they aren't the same in power.
Kakashi was still keeping up and fighting on some level just using taijutsu and like Asura mentioned, even blocked one of his attacks without much issue. That's inconsistent no matter how you think about it.
Not to mention, Sasuke goes from piercing people with chidori to destroying massive meteorites, and Kakashi made the Raikiri even still having the chidori. The same technique doesn't have the same power if the person improves, why would a similar technique be any different just because they work similarly? Are you gonna tell me Killer Bee is 6-A with his pencils or his sword because he makes them cut better with lightning chakra, literally the same thing the Chidori and Raikiri do? No, because they aren't the same in power.
Kakashi was still keeping up and fighting on some level just using taijutsu and like Asura mentioned, even blocked one of his attacks without much issue. That's inconsistent no matter how you think about it.
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why would this be an outlier when this is one of kakazus only showings, there is nothing shown that contradicts this.BlackeJan said:
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Databook literally states 2 tails is made of pure hell fire. It was even referred to as a spirit by Hidan and the fact that it even looks like pure chakra. We haven't added it to the profile yet because no one noticed that it was stated in the data book
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It being one of his only doesn't matter. He went against a bunch of people that weren't on the level for sure and he was matched. It wasn't even hax, he was matched power wise too.
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Didn't kakuzu also state that he fought Hashirama?
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He got stumped by Hashi tho if I remember correctly
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i literally showed you kakazu holding a strike from the 2 tails, i do not know why you are still pushing this agenda that the 2 tails cannot be touched when we see it blatantly shown.AstralKing7 said:
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I don't doubt that, but it could be supporting evidence.
Even Kurama is referred to as a spirit but shinobi can still physically interact with him using non-ninjutsu techniques (such as Hiruzen's staff). The Bijuu are made out of chakra and chakra has never been shown to be something that's intangible so that's a lost point. Also you're reaching very hard with this point on the Two Tails as we do see Kakuzu touch the beast.AstralKing7 said:
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Getting stomped by someone is not much supporting evidence.
Still, we would be putting the feats in an off screen fight which ends with Yugiti apparently finished off by a technique that doesn't need to rely on AP, versus Kakazu fighting and being matched by a bunch of people that aren't High 6-C at all, in an extended fight that we see in full.
That's cherry picking.
Still, we would be putting the feats in an off screen fight which ends with Yugiti apparently finished off by a technique that doesn't need to rely on AP, versus Kakazu fighting and being matched by a bunch of people that aren't High 6-C at all, in an extended fight that we see in full.
That's cherry picking.
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