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So as many of you may already be aware of kaguya via her etso was capable of destroying and recreating one her various dimensions via her etso, these dimensions being depicted as containing at least 1 planet, 1 moon and at least 1 star in both the anime and manga.
Destroying a space depicted with this sort of cosmology has been calced at requiring upwards of 8.14*10^44 joules of energy on the “Reference to common feats” page which is large star level a conclusion vs battle wiki has agreed to as you can see on kaguyas profile in which they placed her etso at large star level and there’s even another calc which places the feat at solar system level, placing the total energy output of the etso at 1.054*10^47 joules of energy which is indeed solar system level.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Tata
The reason kaguya herself and those that scale to her such as naruto etc, are not placed at this level of power is because the wiki doesn’t seem to think kaguyas etso scales to her normal stats as prior to this feat she absorb all the chakra of the shinobi alliances members who were trapped in the infinite tsukoyomi, and although its understandable that some people would think the shinobi alliances chakra played a massive role in the creation of her ETSO it just wouldn't make sense for it to have, as it was established earlier in the war arc that Naruto while utilizing only half of Kurama's chakra had a chakra amount that massively outscaled the likes of the combined chakra amount of the shinobi alliance, with Naruto being able to amp the entire alliances chakra reserves by 3 times the chakra amount of kakashi, kakashi himself being someone with a chakra reserve that is arguably abnormally large in comparison to normal shinobi, with him being relative to Akatsuki members who are stated relative to not only bijuu in power but thousands of shinobi each in power. meaning what was just a 3 times chakra amp for kakashi could have amped each member of the alliance by thousands of times, and even if you don’t think that kakashi has chakra reserves greater than that of the average ninja we can still somewhat find out how much chakra naruto would possess and what percentage of his power the shinobi alliance would scale to. We can do this by applying some arbitrary natural number to the chakra volume of kakashi and by extension the chakra volume of average shinobi (the number itself not being important) in this case I’ll just use 21, then all we have to do is multiple this number by 3 since that the confirmed chakra increase they received from naruto and then we just multiple this by the number of ninja naruto gave his chakra too which I’ll be assuming was the roughly 10,000 members of the alliance left. This gives naruto a chakra volume of 630,000. Where as the shinobi alliance would only have total chakra volume of 210,000 which we can find by simply multiplying the chakra volume of the average shinobi by the number of shinobi present, the actual number used for the average volume doesn’t really matter but it should be the same as the one we applied to there chakra the first time which was 21. This would mean that the shinobi alliance would only scale to 33.33 percent of narutos chakra, and naruto amped them while still retaining enough chakra to fight a large scale battle, meaning naruto massively out scales the shinobi alliance in chakra amount while only utilizing half the nine tails this is so important to the argument because, the full ninetails which would possess roughly 2 times the chakra volume of the half nintails which naruto used to accomplish the aforementioned feat would only scale to a couple percentages of kaguyas power, arguably possessing only 1/9th of the original ten tails chakra, kaguya being someone stated to scale massively above the ten tails, so I personally don't think that argument makes sense and neither do other prominent scalers and debaters such as Seth the programmer as he outlined in these 2 videos
i know this wiki has some sort of beef with Seth but please don’t let said beef distract you from the logic behind his logic and i know at least a couple admins agree that naruto is log overdue for an upgrade, as many admins have openly expressed that they think the scaling for naruto is “Garbo” as you can clearly see by This vs battle wiki admins comment under one of seths video. Anyway I think naruto should receive a high 4c - potentially a 4b upgrade for part 2 and new era
Destroying a space depicted with this sort of cosmology has been calced at requiring upwards of 8.14*10^44 joules of energy on the “Reference to common feats” page which is large star level a conclusion vs battle wiki has agreed to as you can see on kaguyas profile in which they placed her etso at large star level and there’s even another calc which places the feat at solar system level, placing the total energy output of the etso at 1.054*10^47 joules of energy which is indeed solar system level.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Tata
The reason kaguya herself and those that scale to her such as naruto etc, are not placed at this level of power is because the wiki doesn’t seem to think kaguyas etso scales to her normal stats as prior to this feat she absorb all the chakra of the shinobi alliances members who were trapped in the infinite tsukoyomi, and although its understandable that some people would think the shinobi alliances chakra played a massive role in the creation of her ETSO it just wouldn't make sense for it to have, as it was established earlier in the war arc that Naruto while utilizing only half of Kurama's chakra had a chakra amount that massively outscaled the likes of the combined chakra amount of the shinobi alliance, with Naruto being able to amp the entire alliances chakra reserves by 3 times the chakra amount of kakashi, kakashi himself being someone with a chakra reserve that is arguably abnormally large in comparison to normal shinobi, with him being relative to Akatsuki members who are stated relative to not only bijuu in power but thousands of shinobi each in power. meaning what was just a 3 times chakra amp for kakashi could have amped each member of the alliance by thousands of times, and even if you don’t think that kakashi has chakra reserves greater than that of the average ninja we can still somewhat find out how much chakra naruto would possess and what percentage of his power the shinobi alliance would scale to. We can do this by applying some arbitrary natural number to the chakra volume of kakashi and by extension the chakra volume of average shinobi (the number itself not being important) in this case I’ll just use 21, then all we have to do is multiple this number by 3 since that the confirmed chakra increase they received from naruto and then we just multiple this by the number of ninja naruto gave his chakra too which I’ll be assuming was the roughly 10,000 members of the alliance left. This gives naruto a chakra volume of 630,000. Where as the shinobi alliance would only have total chakra volume of 210,000 which we can find by simply multiplying the chakra volume of the average shinobi by the number of shinobi present, the actual number used for the average volume doesn’t really matter but it should be the same as the one we applied to there chakra the first time which was 21. This would mean that the shinobi alliance would only scale to 33.33 percent of narutos chakra, and naruto amped them while still retaining enough chakra to fight a large scale battle, meaning naruto massively out scales the shinobi alliance in chakra amount while only utilizing half the nine tails this is so important to the argument because, the full ninetails which would possess roughly 2 times the chakra volume of the half nintails which naruto used to accomplish the aforementioned feat would only scale to a couple percentages of kaguyas power, arguably possessing only 1/9th of the original ten tails chakra, kaguya being someone stated to scale massively above the ten tails, so I personally don't think that argument makes sense and neither do other prominent scalers and debaters such as Seth the programmer as he outlined in these 2 videos
i know this wiki has some sort of beef with Seth but please don’t let said beef distract you from the logic behind his logic and i know at least a couple admins agree that naruto is log overdue for an upgrade, as many admins have openly expressed that they think the scaling for naruto is “Garbo” as you can clearly see by This vs battle wiki admins comment under one of seths video. Anyway I think naruto should receive a high 4c - potentially a 4b upgrade for part 2 and new era
