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Actually there were a few agreements, but the number of disagreements are far greater. But yes this is very circular.
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Jujutsu Kaisen Speed Downgrade
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How is it circular?
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... There have been. I told you mine, others have also said theirs. You have literally argued against mine.
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Ah, missed them. But yeh, there are more disagreements than agreements, and half of it stems from Viz translations that are confirmed wrong.
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Do you even know what Kanji is? That's like asking a foreign person "can you show me that they used "breathe" when they translated it?"
Do you not know how Japanese works?
That's the only Kanji that can be pulled from the term "reach" in this context except 達する which still doesn't mean the same thing.
Does the raws say reach? No? Then Viz translated it wrong.
The mangaka is japanese, so his art will be produced in his language, which is japanese.
The english version says one thing.
If the english version does not exactly line up with what the author had in mind, then we go to the original.
If the original says something else, we use the original.
That's how it works.
Viz is wrong, so we drop it.
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I actually count 3-3, because tempest has declared he doesn’t care about the bullet point. And the viz thing was just supporting evidence anyway. The main point is that you can’t justify it being a real bullet, while I’ve given several pieces of evidence for it to not be real
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Me not caring ≠ me agreeing or disagreeing. That's called neutral.
You had 2 points.
1 being a loop in creation feat logic which would affect half the wiki which I debunked.
1 being a mistranslation.
Disagree with the OP for my reasons.
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Yeah that’s why I didn’t include you in the tally...
The first point wasn’t a loop. It’s backed up by several pieces of evidence as to why it shouldn’t be real.
The 2nd point was just supporting evidence.
but the point of this thread was to disregard the maki feat, so if you don’t have any contentions with the bullet not being real, nobody else has adequately refuted it
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The first point was a mistranslation backed by scaling that is founded on that mistranslation.
The second point was faulty supporting evidence that would shit on half the wiki.
Now I have contentions with the bullet not being real, because the arguments for it is faulty.
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Why exactly are we disregarding Maki's Feat?
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The bullet isn't real because it's made out of cursed energy.
Maki scales below people who got tagged by sound speed attacks, which was a mistranslation.
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No, the arguments arent faulty for it not being a real bullet. The arguments are that EVEN if she could create a real bullet, her limit is ONE per day, and we see her use rubber bullets on other students. She’s under orders to Kill yuji, so she would save the one for him, and use a rubber one on maki
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You know people can kill with rubber bullets correct?
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So??? They aren’t as fast as real bullets, and the rubber bullets fired at students didn’t kill them. Plus, she’d want to use the bullet with the highest Chance of succeeding on yuji, which would be a real one
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Also ... she literally creates the bullet in the Mai fight ... Both Mai and Maki say as much. Maki saying that she shot six times, and Mai monologuing her cursed technique. Plus the normal rubber bullets she uses ... are not rubber bullets. They take chunks out of trees ffs.
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No... that doesn’t mean that, she could use cursed energy to create the rubber, and once again, that doesn’t defeat the argument of her not using it on maki
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for reference the velocity of a rubber bullet fired from .357 Magnum would be Around 400 m/s.
they arent slow per se
they arent slow per se
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She can only create one thing a day. Her ability is Creation. Turning her cursed energy into a physical construct that doesn't disappear. This exhausts her Cursed Energy though.
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Can you show me that?
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She DID use her ability to fight Maki. Go read the fight, not only does she explain using her ability to the reader, but Maki even flat out says that Mai had used her six shots.
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The lethal history of rubber bullets—and why they should never be used on peaceful protesters
Rubber bullets fired on protesters can kill. So why are we using them?
www.fastcompany.com
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also refer to what therefir says here about rubber bullet speed
vsbattles.fandom.com
My Hero Academia: Ultimate Speed
vsbattles.fandom.com
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People use swords and arrows for a game between schools. But yes, a pistol is very dangerous
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That's faster than sound
Worst case scenario, multiply the result of Maki's feat by (400/445) to account for the bullet's speed
Mach 24
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I actually do agree that it's left vague if a real bullet is used, so I think that the Mach 24 calculation should be used here instead. In case I wasn't clear enough, I do absolutely disagree with a downgrade to Trans/Super sonic.
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I’m not seeing where y’all are getting this figure for rubber bullets m/s
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So you’re fine with downgrading to that extent? I just think there’s no basis for it being a real bullet
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The lethal history of rubber bullets—and why they should never be used on peaceful protesters
Rubber bullets fired on protesters can kill. So why are we using them?
Yeahalso refer to what therefir says here about rubber bullet speed
My Hero Academia: Ultimate Speed
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Omw to downgrade every celestial body feat if it involves energy
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And that's fine. I can see it being either way is the thing, but I am leaning slightly more towards the more conservative rubber bullet option.
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Wuke isn't arguing it isn't a bullet, they're arguing it isn't a typical bullet. A rubber bullet is what they're arguing.
If they are arguing it's made of energy, then that's just wrong, Maki's ability is expressly stated to be creation.
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Sound Speed Blood antifeats are moot because of mistranslations.
What else?
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Yeah I’m just saying it’s not your standard round
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Downgrade because it’s not a real bullet, more likely rubber
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Especially given the context I think it’s safer to say it’s not a standard round
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Downgrade to mach 24? I'll take it.
Downgrade to under sound speed, no
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Sure
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I apologize for the hostility, and I'm glad we've made a consensus.
Does everyone else here agree with the minor downgrade?
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