It’s sad because you don’t have a good argument for it, it’s just bias
Now that's just cap. He drew blood from him multiple times and had him visibly bleeding mid-way through their battle
I could be wrong, but last I read it was little blood and few instances of doing anything serious.
I take issue with this too. Especially because the note also says "Mei Mei has insane SS for a Grade 1." Mei Mei, who only ever attacks with a giant fuckoff axe
Brother this is a general thread, I won't spend my time arguing for nothing here.
I think before using statements, we should just go with feats Hakari has shown for his output instead. What makes Teen Gojo scale to Nanami and Yuji? That Gojo generally has zero SS feats sadly, we know Nanami to be a model Grade 1, doesn't make sense to say Gojo scale to top 5 Grade 1 without any feats. Should keep in mind, the era Gojo was in, little is known, and sorcerers like mei mei, nanami, kusakabe, naobito, ino, etc weren't where they are now
First face punch that was intercepted by Kashimo's staff launched him through multiple shipping containers and gave him a nosebleed. Another one launched him agains and drew blood from his mouth. A lot of Hakari's punches were demonstrably heavy as shown by Kashimo's reactions
Nanami being a model grade 1 is in regard to what a grade 1 should be. It isn't about him being an exceptionally strong grade 1, especially when you consider that Gojo suggests the scale would be different if he included the big three clans in the discussion
It doesn't even have to be that though. Damaging post-shibuya Yuji (someone able to tank a hit from Yuta and even match reinforcement with a knife) tanking a hit from Yuji, and being able to damage Uruame should all be enough to get him scaling to the high tiers. The statements are just further support to help make these tiers more solid.
Right, those are small instances small nose bleeds and mouth bleeds aren't much when we don't know Kashimo's extent for reinforcement besides Hakari and Panda. Take Kashimo's first time engaging with Hakari, he knocked him out quickly, shows Hakari's reinforcement isn't all that impressive and when he does punches, he doesn't cause Kashimo to faint from it. Attacks can be heavy due to his physique while not having much output behind it compared to others in CG like Yuta and Ryu.
That was when Yuta explicitly holding back. You wouldn't wanna use that for Hakari's scaling lol
You took out the context that Kashimo was attacking Hakari while he was static. No he did not knock him out quickly. More importantly, Hakari launches him with a punch immediately after that, drawing blood. His striking strength is visibly heavy in this fight
Yuta was trying to kill Yuji, as he had to as per the orders of his binding vow. He doesn't need to hold back, nor does he ever say he's holding back. The only indication is that Yuta waits to summon Rika until after he loses his katana. But Rika doesn't boost his stats, just refuels his cursed energy and gives him access to his copied techinques so his stats should be relative still
This guy is insane. I told him to not scale Geto to someone like Nanami or Mei Mei because they had the greatest striking strength of the Grade 1s and somehow he seems mad about it. Like what the ****, why do you want to scale characters that have nothing to do with each other scaling wise?
He says maybe. And do we gotta talk about the Big three? the notable showings are Naobito and Naoya, two who couldn't do much with their output against their opponents like Dagon and Choso. Not to say Nanami is above them, just means the statement isn't all that important for my point which is about when Gojo was a teen not in the current story's time period.
That's Yuji who didn't want to fight and Hakari's ce trait allows him to do more damage.
I am not ignoring anything, we know Hakari isn't effected by the trait, this doesn't matter. And it was quick, he hit him then kneed him to the head and he started caving.
Yes
He was holding back. Also, only partially manifested Rika came out, so nothing changed for Yuta
Then you and him are wrong.
Nah uh
That means Nanami's strength isn't narratively exceptional in that regard
"Started caving"? He was busy enjoying the infinite CE bonus of his technique, and after being attacked he immediately responded with a punch that floored Kashimo
Saying JP Hakari got knocked out is wrong. Hakari didn't resisted Kashimo attack which is clearly mentioned in TCB (you being John werry translation fan is the big problem here). Hakari was enjoying the infinite CE bonus he got and didn't even tried to resists Kashimo's kick. So stop twisting what's written in the manga. If you have problems with even TCB check the raws.
I'm pretty sure @Duedate8898 is talking about inside fight where Yuji tried to headbutt him but it didn't even scratched Hakari he took it like nothing. Yuji also mentioned he was fighting back that time.
Yeah no even then Yuji is still holding back. The entire reason is to recruit the guy, not to beat him.
And I'm talking about the fact that Nanami's strength isn't comparatively exceptional. I don't understand where this is coming from
You just switched to a different instance of the fight but okay. I feel like we should just agree to disagree because in the end, they both floor each other multiple times throughout their battle. None of this proves that Hakari's strength isn't up to par with his allies nor that he struggled to make Kashimo bleed
What are you referring to? TCB and Viz say basically the same thing? TCB says he's ignoring the trait through output and quanity, Viz says his output is high enough he ignores it.
Look, I honestly don't know what you're not understanding, my point is, overall Nanami is exceptional as a first grade. There are like three good first grades out of the families we know anything about and they themselves aren't far above Nanami in output. That is all.
I am showing you my point with it, its an exmaple of Hakari's amps from his domain allowing him to reawaken himself from getting knocked out by Kashimo, that is the point.
This is base Hakari who can use his CT to wake himself up. But your first argument was regarding JP Hakari who doesn't have that feature.
Check the above scan properly.
Stop fanboying Jon Werr
It's the case for both of them. Yuji was also stated to be holding back. Dude was also not recovered. I don't think he scales to Yuta here. I'm just saying Yuji was weakened & holding back during this encounter
Are we talking about Teen Geto or Adult Geto?
I can see Adult Geto might having SS by scaling off from his fight against Rika & Yuta but not sure about Teen Geto. Dude just beats up a old guy & paper guy.
I mean, yeah I can believe Adult Geto has better SS than nanami. He's fighting against Yuta and Rika and defending them just fine, utilizing a curse tool which is more effective based off of the physical reinforcement you give.
