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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

EldemadeDityjon said:
This is my understanding.
Cursed speech CT can only be used once at a time. For example, if Yuta uses it, Toge can't use it simultaneously. If a recorder contains Toge's cursed words, then Yuta can't use it at the same time.

Until the recorder is in use CT itself seems to be in use so can't be used simultaneously
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Yeah they’re not talking about different users, it’s one user trying to use the Cursed Speech while it’s on the recorder.

Inumaki’s Cursed Speech has nothing to do with Yuta’s. Both can use their own CS at the same time.
 
Arkenis said:
It reduces the damage.
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It reduces damage, but there is no specific value. As I mentioned, Sukuna's body already has enough durability to survive Red. Additionally, DA and Powernull reducing Red shouldn't mean it's a 2x amp. In fact, Red still damages Sukuna even with DA activated. There's no basis for a 2x amp in this case.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
It reduces damage, but there is no specific value. As I mentioned, Sukuna's body already has enough durability to survive Red. Additionally, DA and Powernull reducing Red shouldn't mean it's a 2x amp. In fact, Red still damages Sukuna even with DA activated. There's no basis for a 2x amp in this case.
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It reduces the damage. That's 2x.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Yeah they’re not talking about different users, it’s one user trying to use the Cursed Speech while it’s on the recorder.

Inumaki’s Cursed Speech has nothing to do with Yuta’s. Both can use their own CS at the same time.
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I'm not sure.

But they seem to be talking about CT itself though?
If Yuta wants to use CS, then Toge's recorder doesn't seem to work. If it's only about Toge, then they could have stored the cursed words without any concern. Can't they just use new recorder once the one in use is used up? Why would they concerned about it being used in tape recorders. Toge was not even in front lines to fight Sukuna. All he has to do was wait in the background.

It seemed like they wanted to do that after Yuta was defeated & can't use CS no more. Otherwise, there would be no logic for them to be acting like it can be used only once.
 
Arkenis said:
It reduces the damage. That's 2x.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
But they seem to be talking about CT itself though?
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Inumaki’s Cursed Speech was already recorded, so they neg the thing Maki was talking about using his CS again.

It’s what that panel was about: Inumaki using his CS while the other was recorded.

Again, Yuta and Inumaki can use their Cursed Speech at the same time. That’s not an issue.
 
LIGHTYW said:
Gojo was saying "i guess this isnt impossible" because of sukuna using d.a and domain at the same time , not because of his output increasing lol
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So now they don't even need to be separate sentences to interpret a separation? Gojo mentioning an increase in output and then, in the same sentence, deducing it's not impossible isn't him forming any connection to you? You're just being so dishonest here, even if Gojo said "the DA is increasing output" you'd deny it.
LIGHTYW said:
And domain amplification buffing someones stats like a domain does, makes no sense as is canonically stated as a domain for the weak, if did, it would be even better than domain in buffing stats lmao, because unlike expansion, you wouldnt get a brain fried after using it
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Except Simple Domain comes with a bunch of additional caveats, the biggest one being the need to keep two feet planted into the ground, with the people who are proficient enough to bypass this rule (Kusakabe for instance) being shown to spam Simple Domain in every fight they're in. Domain Expansions also grant far more buffs than just stats, such as the surehit being its greatest advantage.
LIGHTYW said:
Also, funny thing how you guys are so sure about d.a being better than simple domain and even buffing stats like a D.E, but for some reason even with gojo supposedly knowing that it would make him stronger, he still used simple domain when he got ct burnout.. WHY???? ( he had CT burnout so he wouldnt have to care about d.a restricting him as he basically didnt had one, yet he chooses simple domain? )
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Because DA isn't shown to stop a Domain's surehit like Simple Domain, we don't know how that functions besides it being used to weaken a surehit (in which case FBE would be easier), and further Gojo's never shown to know or be proficient with DA to begin with. Gojo could just be more proficient with SD.
LIGHTYW said:
Its simple, just because d.a is stated to be like a domain ( infact, its stated to be a weaker version of it ), it doesnt mean it will have the exactly same properties, gojo himself states that using domain amp is like youre being surrounded by water ( try yourself to punch something under water and see if it will be as fast or as powerful as when you punch the air ) and even increases the chance of missing attacks
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😭 Domain Amplification being a worse technique than Domain Expansion has no bearing as to whether or not it shares certain qualities, no one's saying DA > DE, and using the water analogy literally to try and argue it makes a person slower is peak dishonesty. Domain environments aren't literal water 💀
LIGHTYW said:
Does domain expansion have this things too??
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YES, Domain Expansion DOES nullify the CT of the opponents within, WHY DO YOU THINK GOJO IS GETTING HIT???
LIGHTYW said:
And the jogo thing you pretty much just invented as we have no proof if gojo punched jogo or grabbed him, and jogo said that only because he had d.a negating limitless, so he wouldnt be overpowered by limitless
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Hanami had DA during Gojo's limitless, clearly didn't save her, and we literally SEE Gojo's fist with motion blurs flying into Jogo's stomach. Saying we have no proof because... well idrk what proof you'd need there. We visually see the punch connect, how is that "no proof"? What are you even saying anymore 😭
LIGHTYW said:
And, yes, sukuna holding back and using low output at chap 226 makes perfectly sense, as we see sukuna being relative and superior to a domain amped gojo ( thats why gojo doesnt react to sukuna speed and movements 2 times ) You dont have to think too much, if D.E Sukuna is >= D.E +blue gojo, then obviously D.E Sukuna is stronger than a no domain and no blue gojo, but yet gojo was throwing hands, which just means that sukuna was holding back
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Sukuna was also domain amped, so idk why you'd try and argue Gojo's performance is less impressive due to being inside his own domain. Further, no where does Sukuna outspeed Gojo at all, I showed panels of Gojo weaving through Sukuna's blows before landing his own. You also don't seem to know how blue works, it's not like a stagnant amp to his stats but a situational burst in power once he connects his punches and situational bursts in speed with certain movements like dashes. Like all of this is just misconception after misconception to try and string along a half-baked scaling chain.
 
LIGHTYW said:
but for some reason even with gojo supposedly knowing that it would make him stronger, he still used simple domain when he got ct burnout.. WHY???? ( he had CT burnout so he wouldnt have to care about d.a restricting him as he basically didnt had one, yet he chooses simple domain? )
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It could be several reasons such as Gojo didn't know what would happen if he and Sukuna's da clashed, could be Sukuna's DA is better and Gojo realized the output difference and decided on SD to be safe with expanding a greater neutralized zone than a small one. It could be that doing full output rct and then also activating DA is too much of a loss of ce use and renders his physical output lessened.

Or or, and follow me here, Gojo may not be able to do DA while also having his domain out. He saw Sukuna do this and was like "nah chill bro wildin". The "is he getting used to this?" is very implicative of Gojo himself not being used to it so there's that.
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Arkenis said:
It could be several reasons such as Gojo didn't know what would happen if he and Sukuna's da clashed, could be Sukuna's DA is better and Gojo realized the output difference and decided on SD to be safe with expanding a greater neutralized zone than a small one. It could be that doing full output rct and then also activating DA is too much of a loss of ce use and renders his physical output lessened.

Or or, and follow me here, Gojo may not be able to do DA while also having his domain out. He saw Sukuna do this and was like "nah chill bro wildin". The "is he getting used to this?" is very implicative of Gojo himself not being used to it so there's that.
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I think this guy forgot that DA is a high-level ability that only a few people have used thus far

He threw out the idea of Yuji using it lmao
 
Tbf with Higuruma learning it from seeing it and Gojo having comparable potential with the six eyes, if he tried to he'd be able to do it, but his DA would be no where near as refined as Sukuna's and all the other points Arkenis brought up are also good points I didn't consider either.
 
Rosa said:
Tbf with Higuruma learning it from seeing it and Gojo having comparable potential with the six eyes, if he tried to he'd be able to do it, but his DA would be no where near as refined as Sukuna's and all the other points Arkenis brought up are also good points I didn't consider either.
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More than that, they've got comparable raw talent, and then there's Gojo having the Six Eyes, so he could totally do it as good as Higuruma if not better
 
M3X_2.0 said:
That’s next level interpretation lol. The statement is pretty much NOT removing Six Eyes from the equation.
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TCB translates it as "raw talent," and if we're being completely semantical, the Six Eyes isn't really a factor in raw talent. Plus the fact that Gojo himself is already stated to be able to do "anything he tries" in general
 
If we are being real we need to accept that Gojo without Six Eyes is Miwa level
The Six Eyes is clrealy a factor in raw talent. Its literally just genetics
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Plus the fact that Gojo himself is already stated to be able to do "anything he tries" in general
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Also these statements are so funny. Gojo had Shoko explaining RCT to him and yet he couldn’t figure out how to use it. And that’s because he was born within the Jujutsu word and had contact with it since he was a kid and had Six Eyes that allowed for the best CE control in the entire series.

Yuta used RCT in less than 3 months and could output it; Higuruma in less than two months used RCT just by looking at it etc.

Gojo is talented but his “talent feats” are poor.
 
You could make an argument for Gojo could possibly learn DA if someone taught him. However, saying he can copy it is purely headcanon and wank. Even Mahito, with his talent, couldn't use DA despite copying Gojo's 0.2 second Domain Expansion. I doubt that someone teaching others means they can normally use DA.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Also these statements are so funny. Gojo had Shoko explaining RCT to him and yet he couldn’t figure out how to use it. And that’s because he was born within the Jujutsu word and had contact with it since he was a kid and had Six Eyes that allowed for the best CE control in the entire series.

Yuta used RCT in less than 3 months and could output it; Higuruma in less than two months used RCT just by looking at it etc.
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Other than Yuta, there's a common denominator of Gojo and Higuruma learning RCT by focusing on it when faced with certain death
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Teen Gojo probably just didn't care much about learning, he never have faced danger before Toji
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That seems to be the case. The threat of certain death is a strong source of growth for sorcerers and curses

He knew how to cast veils, even though barriers are difficult for most sorcerers to learn, and this site assumes he learned simple domain for some reason

On the other hand, RCT still eluded him, like most sorcerers, until he almost died. Then some time after, he learned how to cast a domain expansion in between a time skip
 
AyeZ2 said:
Gojo awakening > Maki awakening > Yuji awakening > Mahito awakening > Higuruma awakening
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What's the criteria here? Given the whole talent discussion, Higuruma's would arguably be the craziest

Though in terms of overall effectiveness

-Gojo unlocked RCT, Red which can possibly one-shot people comparable to him, and Purple which is an even stronger ability that WILL one-shot them. Also, he blitzed Toji, which he may or may not have been able to do prior
-Maki went from getting shit on by a clan Grade 1 to effortlessly slaughtering the entire clan while bleeding out
-Yuji went from getting rocked by Sukuna to rocking his shit right back with Black Flashes, and eventually got his own domain expansion
-Mahito went from getting stat-rivaled by Yuji to stonewalling his hits and being able to tear him apart

Higuruma's is arguably the most impressive, but in terms of the overall effectiveness of the awakening, it doesn't compare
 
This chapter was odd. I mean, I thought the explanation for New Shadow Style was neat, but why now? And while it is pretty cool that Kusakabe and Higumura survived, it feels pretty weird that only Gojo and Choso died.

I am glad that Ui Ui is noted as the MVP, because he was. He's the only reason most of these idiots are even still alive.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
What's the criteria here? Given the whole talent discussion, Higuruma's would arguably be the craziest

Though in terms of overall effectiveness

-Gojo unlocked RCT, Red which can possibly one-shot people comparable to him, and Purple which is an even stronger ability that WILL one-shot them. Also, he blitzed Toji, which he may or may not have been able to do prior
-Maki went from getting shit on by a clan Grade 1 to effortlessly slaughtering the entire clan while bleeding out
-Yuji went from getting rocked by Sukuna to rocking his shit right back with Black Flashes, and eventually got his own domain expansion
-Mahito went from getting stat-rivaled by Yuji to stonewalling his hits and being able to tear him apart

Higuruma's is arguably the most impressive, but in terms of the overall effectiveness of the awakening, it doesn't compare
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Mine wasn’t off of effectiveness it was just off how much I enjoyed them
 
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