Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[M3X_2.0]

Yuji hasn’t regenerated his fingers #nooticing

 

[Arkenis]

Just saying there is no specific amps value for DE. We just know they amps sts that's all.

Sukuna's DA can reduce Red's output. DA is domain, thus domains are at least 2x an increase as it can reduce damage from Red, a 2x increase from Blue

 

[M3X_2.0]

If Yuta uses Cursed Speech, Inumaki can't use his, and vice versa, if I’m understanding correctly. Also Cursed speech can be countered (which is already stated but this chapter just clarifies again)

It’s about the recorder iirc.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sukuna's DA can reduce Red's output. DA is domain, thus domains are at least 2x an increase as it can reduce damage from Red, a 2x increase from Blue

Reducing Red output via Powernull = DA is 2x? I don't know under what logic you are trying to say Powernull = amps. Sukuna also can take Red to the face off-guard and still get get away with burnt face & some damages. DA isn't doing all durability stuff for Sukuna. Blue doesn't have specific amp. Also it's accepted as spacial manipulation IIRC. So it's a dura neg.

Megumi got 120% Buff because he didn't had sure hit.
So if a domain has sure hit user logically should get less amp than 120%.

 

[LIGHTYW]

I think the fact we have people denying that Domain Amplification increases a sorcerers stats is really telling to the level of reading comprehension we're left with, and it makes me glad to know these are the same people who trash on JJK's writing every week yet complain when we mention the concept of subtext.

Gojo's statement is extremely clear. I'll quote it (as per TCB's translation):
"Are you serious...? Sukuna can use Domain Expansion and Domain Amplification at the same time? Is he getting used to this? And his output is increasing to more than before... I guess that isn't impossible. While using Domain Amplification, you cannot use the innate techniques etched into your body. Once an innate technique is granted to a domain, it's a whole new ballgame."

LIGHTYW would have you believe Gojo is categorising the increase in output separately from the use of Domain Amplification via them being separated sentences, but regarding the entire page we see Gojo mentions Domain Amplification before and after mentioning the increased output, even as an explicit explanation for it, so there's no reading here where Gojo is distinguishing them. The sentence is to be read that Sukuna's output is higher in this second domain clash than what it was in the first which isn't impossible as Sukuna has the privilege of utilising Domain Amplification without sacrificing his innate technique, hence why it's such a high IQ moment for Sukuna. We also have "subtext", as he dismisses it, to prove this is the case.

Firstly, we all know a Domain Expansion grants an "upgrade in stats" - which includes one's cursed energy output, with us being given a value of 120% - with this buff being derived from the "environment" of a domain (i.e. being surrounded by your own cursed energy). Simple Domain works similarly, where the term "simple" is regarded as misleading by Kenjaku as it's in effect the same as activating a Domain Expansion, the narrator regarding it as a "domain for the weak" for this reason, with us being told explicitly that a Simple Domain is still "a domain" and thus even its small environment grants the user an output buff.

Domain Amplification literally shares almost the same kanji with Domain Expansion (領域展開 vs 領域展延) - wherein they both are written as "領域展", which means to expand the region of a domain, the only difference being Domain Expansion is written with "開" meaning to unfold or open something meanwhile Domain Amplification is written with "延" which means to envelope something. So the techniques are sort of weirdly named given they both literally mean "Domain Expansion", just one translates to expanding a domain open whilst the other is expanding a domain around oneself. Hence why Domain Amplification is a more refined Simple Domain that functions through "sheathing" oneself in their domain - where Gojo even states Domain Amplification is the same as Simple Domain in concept by using Domain Expansion but without activating any barrier.

We're then directly shown Gojo punch Jogo in the stomach (we see him wince in pain and Gojo's fist is extended into his stomach with motion lines) to which Jogo says "the only reason I survived earlier was because the Amplification was protecting me" (ran out of imgur folders, Chapter 85 Page 13) necessitating that Domain Amplification was in some way amplifying his durability, which is consistent with the fact that it's the reason why Gojo waited for Hanami to undo her Domain Amplification before attacking her by his own omission. So this whole fight scene only works operating with that position.

So we know for a fact:

• Domain Amplification has the same environment mechanic as Domain Expansion
• The environment mechanic of Domain Expansion increases output (including stats)
• Domain Amplification users have their stats increased during use
• Gojo directly correlates Sukuna's increased output with the use of Domain Amplification

Yet with all of this evidence present, LIGHTYW instead concludes Domain Amplification has no impact on a sorcerers output and instead Sukuna's increased output was just because he had been "playing around with Gojo" prior to this scene. Which doesn't even make sense inverse wise, wherein Gojo and Sukuna go from relative at the start of the fight to relative even after the increased output (Gojo arguably outperforming) - where in both scenes Sukuna is using Domain Amplification.

Gojo was saying "i guess this isnt impossible" because of sukuna using d.a and domain at the same time , not because of his output increasing lol

And domain amplification buffing someones stats like a domain does, makes no sense as is canonically stated as a domain for the weak, if did, it would be even better than domain in buffing stats lmao, because unlike expansion, you wouldnt get a brain fried after using it
Also, funny thing how you guys are so sure about d.a being better than simple domain and even buffing stats like a D.E, but for some reason even with gojo supposedly knowing that it would make him stronger, he still used simple domain when he got ct burnout.. WHY???? ( he had CT burnout so he wouldnt have to care about d.a restricting him as he basically didnt had one, yet he chooses simple domain? )

Its simple, just because d.a is stated to be like a domain ( infact, its stated to be a weaker version of it ), it doesnt mean it will have the exactly same properties, gojo himself states that using domain amp is like youre being surrounded by water ( try yourself to punch something under water and see if it will be as fast or as powerful as when you punch the air ) and even increases the chance of missing attacks
Does domain expansion have this things too??

And the jogo thing you pretty much just invented as we have no proof if gojo punched jogo or grabbed him, and jogo said that only because he had d.a negating limitless, so he wouldnt be overpowered by limitless

And, yes, sukuna holding back and using low output at chap 226 makes perfectly sense, as we see sukuna being relative and superior to a domain amped gojo ( thats why gojo doesnt react to sukuna speed and movements 2 times ) You dont have to think too much, if D.E Sukuna is >= D.E +blue gojo, then obviously D.E Sukuna is stronger than a no domain and no blue gojo, but yet gojo was throwing hands, which just means that sukuna was holding back

 

[Arkenis]

Reducing Red output via Powernull = DA is 2x? I don't know under what logic you are trying to say Powernull = amps.

It reduces the damage.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It’s about the recorder iirc.

This is my understanding.
Cursed speech CT can only be used once at a time. For example, if Yuta uses it, Toge can't use it simultaneously. If a recorder contains Toge's cursed words, then Yuta can't use it at the same time.

Until the recorder is in use CT itself seems to be in use so can't be used simultaneously

 

[M3X_2.0]

This is my understanding.
Cursed speech CT can only be used once at a time. For example, if Yuta uses it, Toge can't use it simultaneously. If a recorder contains Toge's cursed words, then Yuta can't use it at the same time.

Until the recorder is in use CT itself seems to be in use so can't be used simultaneously

Yeah they’re not talking about different users, it’s one user trying to use the Cursed Speech while it’s on the recorder.

Inumaki’s Cursed Speech has nothing to do with Yuta’s. Both can use their own CS at the same time.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It reduces the damage.

It reduces damage, but there is no specific value. As I mentioned, Sukuna's body already has enough durability to survive Red. Additionally, DA and Powernull reducing Red shouldn't mean it's a 2x amp. In fact, Red still damages Sukuna even with DA activated. There's no basis for a 2x amp in this case.

 

[Arkenis]

It reduces damage, but there is no specific value. As I mentioned, Sukuna's body already has enough durability to survive Red. Additionally, DA and Powernull reducing Red shouldn't mean it's a 2x amp. In fact, Red still damages Sukuna even with DA activated. There's no basis for a 2x amp in this case.

It reduces the damage. That's 2x.

 

[Arkenis]

( infact, its stated to be a weaker version of it ),

When?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yeah they’re not talking about different users, it’s one user trying to use the Cursed Speech while it’s on the recorder.

Inumaki’s Cursed Speech has nothing to do with Yuta’s. Both can use their own CS at the same time.

I'm not sure.

But they seem to be talking about CT itself though?
If Yuta wants to use CS, then Toge's recorder doesn't seem to work. If it's only about Toge, then they could have stored the cursed words without any concern. Can't they just use new recorder once the one in use is used up? Why would they concerned about it being used in tape recorders. Toge was not even in front lines to fight Sukuna. All he has to do was wait in the background.

It seemed like they wanted to do that after Yuta was defeated & can't use CS no more. Otherwise, there would be no logic for them to be acting like it can be used only once.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It reduces the damage. That's 2x.

 

[M3X_2.0]

But they seem to be talking about CT itself though?

Inumaki’s Cursed Speech was already recorded, so they neg the thing Maki was talking about using his CS again.

It’s what that panel was about: Inumaki using his CS while the other was recorded.

Again, Yuta and Inumaki can use their Cursed Speech at the same time. That’s not an issue.

 

[Rosa]

Gojo was saying "i guess this isnt impossible" because of sukuna using d.a and domain at the same time , not because of his output increasing lol

So now they don't even need to be separate sentences to interpret a separation? Gojo mentioning an increase in output and then, in the same sentence, deducing it's not impossible isn't him forming any connection to you? You're just being so dishonest here, even if Gojo said "the DA is increasing output" you'd deny it.

And domain amplification buffing someones stats like a domain does, makes no sense as is canonically stated as a domain for the weak, if did, it would be even better than domain in buffing stats lmao, because unlike expansion, you wouldnt get a brain fried after using it

Except Simple Domain comes with a bunch of additional caveats, the biggest one being the need to keep two feet planted into the ground, with the people who are proficient enough to bypass this rule (Kusakabe for instance) being shown to spam Simple Domain in every fight they're in. Domain Expansions also grant far more buffs than just stats, such as the surehit being its greatest advantage.

Also, funny thing how you guys are so sure about d.a being better than simple domain and even buffing stats like a D.E, but for some reason even with gojo supposedly knowing that it would make him stronger, he still used simple domain when he got ct burnout.. WHY???? ( he had CT burnout so he wouldnt have to care about d.a restricting him as he basically didnt had one, yet he chooses simple domain? )

Because DA isn't shown to stop a Domain's surehit like Simple Domain, we don't know how that functions besides it being used to weaken a surehit (in which case FBE would be easier), and further Gojo's never shown to know or be proficient with DA to begin with. Gojo could just be more proficient with SD.

Its simple, just because d.a is stated to be like a domain ( infact, its stated to be a weaker version of it ), it doesnt mean it will have the exactly same properties, gojo himself states that using domain amp is like youre being surrounded by water ( try yourself to punch something under water and see if it will be as fast or as powerful as when you punch the air ) and even increases the chance of missing attacks

Domain Amplification being a worse technique than Domain Expansion has no bearing as to whether or not it shares certain qualities, no one's saying DA > DE, and using the water analogy literally to try and argue it makes a person slower is peak dishonesty. Domain environments aren't literal water

Does domain expansion have this things too??

YES, Domain Expansion DOES nullify the CT of the opponents within, WHY DO YOU THINK GOJO IS GETTING HIT???

And the jogo thing you pretty much just invented as we have no proof if gojo punched jogo or grabbed him, and jogo said that only because he had d.a negating limitless, so he wouldnt be overpowered by limitless

Hanami had DA during Gojo's limitless, clearly didn't save her, and we literally SEE Gojo's fist with motion blurs flying into Jogo's stomach. Saying we have no proof because... well idrk what proof you'd need there. We visually see the punch connect, how is that "no proof"? What are you even saying anymore

And, yes, sukuna holding back and using low output at chap 226 makes perfectly sense, as we see sukuna being relative and superior to a domain amped gojo ( thats why gojo doesnt react to sukuna speed and movements 2 times ) You dont have to think too much, if D.E Sukuna is >= D.E +blue gojo, then obviously D.E Sukuna is stronger than a no domain and no blue gojo, but yet gojo was throwing hands, which just means that sukuna was holding back

Sukuna was also domain amped, so idk why you'd try and argue Gojo's performance is less impressive due to being inside his own domain. Further, no where does Sukuna outspeed Gojo at all, I showed panels of Gojo weaving through Sukuna's blows before landing his own. You also don't seem to know how blue works, it's not like a stagnant amp to his stats but a situational burst in power once he connects his punches and situational bursts in speed with certain movements like dashes. Like all of this is just misconception after misconception to try and string along a half-baked scaling chain.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Rosa is so insane man he won’t ever let Gojo catch strays

 

[Rosa]

Rosa is so insane man he won’t ever let Gojo catch strays

strays at my prince a mere two chapters before his glorious return?!?!?!?! Could NEVER happen under my watch

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

We need to kill anyone who dares to debate about Sukuna vs Gojo

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

We need to kill anyone who dares to debate about Sukuna vs Gojo

LIGHTYW has only ever logged on to talk about Sukuna vs Gojo

 

[Arkenis]

Also, funny thing how you guys are so sure about d.a being better than simple domain

I urge you to read the manga. I know 200+ chapters can be intimidating to some but once you do, you'll feel satisfied having accomplished it.

 

[Arkenis]

but for some reason even with gojo supposedly knowing that it would make him stronger, he still used simple domain when he got ct burnout.. WHY???? ( he had CT burnout so he wouldnt have to care about d.a restricting him as he basically didnt had one, yet he chooses simple domain? )

It could be several reasons such as Gojo didn't know what would happen if he and Sukuna's da clashed, could be Sukuna's DA is better and Gojo realized the output difference and decided on SD to be safe with expanding a greater neutralized zone than a small one. It could be that doing full output rct and then also activating DA is too much of a loss of ce use and renders his physical output lessened.

Or or, and follow me here, Gojo may not be able to do DA while also having his domain out. He saw Sukuna do this and was like "nah chill bro wildin". The "is he getting used to this?" is very implicative of Gojo himself not being used to it so there's that.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

It could be several reasons such as Gojo didn't know what would happen if he and Sukuna's da clashed, could be Sukuna's DA is better and Gojo realized the output difference and decided on SD to be safe with expanding a greater neutralized zone than a small one. It could be that doing full output rct and then also activating DA is too much of a loss of ce use and renders his physical output lessened.

Or or, and follow me here, Gojo may not be able to do DA while also having his domain out. He saw Sukuna do this and was like "nah chill bro wildin". The "is he getting used to this?" is very implicative of Gojo himself not being used to it so there's that.

I think this guy forgot that DA is a high-level ability that only a few people have used thus far

He threw out the idea of Yuji using it lmao