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on sukunas hand it is automatically op and special
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Arkenis
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Literally is just another weapon and we have zero idea if he just threw it or went in swinging (he stole it off a dead sorcerer randomly one day cuz it looked cool)
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Sure.
Just went through previous scans and shit and got them translated - with chatgpt ofc, specifically the ones that I haven't really seen being translated on the Internet (by an actual person with knowledge in Jap)
Still miles better than Google translate or DeepL tho and the rough information should be correct.
There's like far more stuff than this. Like a lot. Tho I'm too lazy for it
This is more than enough! The anime is canon
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Canon headCanonThis is more than enough! The anime is canon
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yes but its a spear on the hands of a guy that has the strongest striking s on jjk verse..
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Not everything in the anime is cannon as his imgur thread is claimingThis is more than enough! The anime is canon
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As far as I know and am concerned, an animator doesn't have (sole) jurisdiction over what's decidedly canon or not.
Especially considering there's explicit statements of Akutami's involvement in the anime lol
As far as the evidence goes, I think it's very obviously canon. Obviously manga comes first if showing the same feats, but I think feats that are shown in the anime/movie that may be unclear should be fine to use (feel like we do this already tho). As for feats in the anime that don't exist in the manga... that should be fine?? I mean it has Akutami's approval after all, (but I will admit I'm shaky on that).
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Arkenis
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still useless against Limitless.
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Involvement doesn't inherently mean that its cannon. Especially the fact that the animator themselves are stating that the extended scene is not cannon. I debated this off site but I'm gonna reinstate it here
The company gets the rights to animate a manga. What they animate is from the manga exclusively and any additional or extended scenes they add are secondary cannon material exclusive to the anime. They don't have the rights to the primary source, just the rights to animate it. (Which is my understanding)
However, if Gege specifically hinders something in the anime, then it would be cannon.
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ct burnout... anyways, you are disagreeing with my comment or agreeing to it, i dont get it
Arkenis
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I'm disagreeing with the spear being anything relevant.
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My point, which I edited in later so I don't blame you for missing it, is that the anime is secondary canon, not on equal standing to the manga.
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oh, ok, but youre right by now, we just have to wait to see if gege will explain it, i just added the spear because of that statement saying that sukuna used this spear to kill some bums and those clans in the past
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Moreover, the advantage of having a free arm is far more certain because we've actually seen it in action
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I'm pretty sure all those moves she used were thin ice breaker
They all share the same effects of having cracks form in the sky and knocking the opponent back.
When Yuta mentioned his arm was back to normal and "didn't hurt" he was referring to when she bent it like a noodle
Arkenis
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Was there a match? Only match wins can be added
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idk, but like, cant that match of gojo vs sukuna be redone?
Arkenis
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ig, but unless something is new then no
EldemadeDityjon
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Just a thought
Yuji's Domain might be his real CT, similar to how Higuruma's and Hakari's domains work. The Shrine he got was from Sukuna, and Blood Manipulation was from the Death Paintings. Yuji hasn't developed his own CT so far in the series.
His Domain's initial sure-hit (which transformed True form Sukuna into Yujikuna) is completely different from Sukuna's CT, Shrine, and Blood Manipulation from death paintings. The sure-hit effects were so fast that even though Sukuna has comparable, if not higher, speed, he couldn’t react to it and was confused. This is similar to how Kashimo couldn't react to Hakari's Domain sure-hit.
Not to mention the scenery, which kept changing inside Yuji's Domain.
Yuji's Domain might be his real CT, similar to how Higuruma's and Hakari's domains work. The Shrine he got was from Sukuna, and Blood Manipulation was from the Death Paintings. Yuji hasn't developed his own CT so far in the series.
His Domain's initial sure-hit (which transformed True form Sukuna into Yujikuna) is completely different from Sukuna's CT, Shrine, and Blood Manipulation from death paintings. The sure-hit effects were so fast that even though Sukuna has comparable, if not higher, speed, he couldn’t react to it and was confused. This is similar to how Kashimo couldn't react to Hakari's Domain sure-hit.
Not to mention the scenery, which kept changing inside Yuji's Domain.
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Ok. So you didn't read the imgur.
Also. Are you even like. Reading the very thread you sent...?
All he says is that it is not canon from the manga. Like obviously yeah this is not what happened in the manga fight. That still doesn't even touch on the validity of the canon though.
For example. I don't think I have to explain to you and everybody else here on how fire arrow was explicitly changed right? The one used against Mahoraga in the manga, is no longer the same one. The effects you see are different explicitly. What the manga explained to us in Shinjuku happens to fit with how the environment changes in the Anime when Sukuna is preparing his fire arrow. The part about matter, etc. Especially the explosion caused by fire arrow looks the same as the one used in the manga. The manga never showed us this or explained it for the Shibuya fight.
This is only possible if Gege told the staff on what to do with fire arrow in the Anime. Suffice to say that already tells us a lot about his involvement. We'll also be getting JJK S2 Anime guidebook soon. Which might actually mention it.
But to attack your thread from another perspective: Who's got higher authority. The animator who listens to directors etc? Or the script writer and the director who explicitly follows Gege's word and opinion. Many things expanded on in the Anime such as Nobara's backstory is because of Gege.
Anyways I feel like you and few others didn't even actually go through it. That evidence I'm providing is literally good enough to qualify as secondary canon that also has the ability to change certain scenes with the expressed approval from the manga author himself. It's not primary but it's definitely not the average secondary canon Anime.
And there's like. A bunch more
Also rn I added in bunch more scans for anybody interested.
You literally cannot deny it being secondary canon no matter how much you downplay or strawman or whatever
He literally says he's using DA. He uses it every single time he engages in a direct battle with gojo. What part of this is holding back??
He's literally on a rush for saving his ass if he doesn't want to die. No adaptation is like. Gg for him. Because at that point why would gojo have to be afraid of spamming his CT? Literally every domain battle bar the first one would result in Sukuna's loss because gojo doesn't care to hold back his CT when he doesn't have to worry about Big Raga... Though of course he'll have to still worry about not ******* over the vessel who he's trying to save alongside the gang ofc.
When I say holding back I mean in the sense of quite literally spamming it. HI arc gojo was said to be capable of using multiple simultaneous blue and red.
"Simultaneously activating Multiple Reds and Blues respectively is coming along as well" literally. Chapter 76
We kinda do see this. Like when fighting against Juzo. No hands raised gojo used multiple holding back blue orbs thrown at Juzo. (in GW arc).
Against Sukuna in round 2. Gojo with a heavy declining output like Sukuna, was suffering from a brain damage that is literally centered on his CT (in other words he got the worst CT nerf possible in verse ig) and was still able to summon multiple orbs near instantly at the same time.
Also back to your argument: Yes he was sometimes not using DA on DE. But that only applies to non combat. Like literally the start of the DE battle where they're expanding and deploying their DE. Or at times where they're not throwing hands. Aka non combat. Otherwise if he didn't use it, Gojo would definitely notice more early on that something is up with Sukuna for some reason refusing to use DA.
So if anything you're just.... making a literal non argument.
Kamutoke and the spear would be rendered ineffective if DA is used because their CT can't be used. So they'd be useless.
Secondly... Holding back? Lol. Let it go. Narrator literally tells you he couldn't use Fire arrow IN ANY circumstance whatsoever. Even in the second domain battle and first, and this is despite the fact that
1. Fire arrow is strengthened by a BV. Can't be used against multiple opponents outside of a DE, except for a 1v1, which boosts it.
2. Said Fire Arrow also achieves a environment boost too as usual with any CT. Additionally it gets further strengthened when using DE. And requires extra conditions before being able to use it likely implying another BV, which is the process leading to unleashing it in an AOE strike all over inside the DE.
However in both the first and second, the narrator says that it had insufficient fire power despite the fact that Gojo had no infinity on after losing the first and second DE battle, alongside the multiple debuffs like CT burnout nerf, constantly suffering wounds all over his body nonstop, and using rct full output simultaneously as he is reinforcing himself + he has no domain stats buff.
["In his battle against Satoru Gojo, [Sukuna] kept stacking up newer barrier technique conditions……and continued to place Vows on his effective range……which resulted in him unable to display Kamino at sufficient firepower, and thus sealed it.”]
Also can you stop with this fanfiction writing about him not going for the kill despite his various statements saying he literally is and has been doing so? Yall need to let go of that fanfiction dream
He has been trying to kill gojo from the very start. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.
Maybe you should be asking yourself why Sukuna said at chapter 236, in raws, that bypassing infinity at last and killing gojo is a herculean task aka impossible?
THE EXPRESSION USED IN THE ORIGINAL IS: (Page 16 in CH236)
"至難の技".
Which means an unfathomable task that cannot be accomplished, like Hercules' feats, for Sukuna to bypass infinity by himself is impossible, so Makora, his adaptation, was taken.
This was said in chapter 236 by Sukuna when talking about bypassing infinity
Here’s proof of the phrase being referred to a Herculean task https://meaning-book.com/blog/20190226113144.html
至難の業, しなんのわざ, shinannowaza - Nihongo Master
Herculean task,next to impossible undertaking - Meaning of 至難の業, しなんのわざ, shinannowaza. See complete explanation and more examples and pronunciation.
www.nihongomaster.com
Tanoshii Japanese
Listen to the pronunciation, view english meanings, stroke order diagrams and conjugations for 至難の技 (shinannowaza).
www.tanoshiijapanese.com
Arkenis
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ct different from user to user, why domain cant be.
EldemadeDityjon
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What you mean by this? Not sure ai understand what you are trying to say.
Is there any Domain has unique sure hit than what their CT can do? Even Gojo's UV is just perception manipulation which is also comes with his CT if I'm correct. So I far IIRC no domain has unique sure hit than users CT in some way.
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Domains are unique for each individual imo since its the manifestation of the innate domain of someone into reality
Plus, theres not much difference between Itadori's domain and Sukuna's
Plus, theres not much difference between Itadori's domain and Sukuna's
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Yeah but sure hit is somewhat related to their CTs one way or another.
Which parts?
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Yuji's domain is a separate space while Sukuna's is manifested into reality. Besides Yuji's soul-targeting, their sure-hits are pretty much identical
The Yujikuna thing is hard to explain if it's part of his domain tho
The Yujikuna thing is hard to explain if it's part of his domain tho
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Didn’t they explain the yujikuna thing was that soul connection sorcerers share during a peak in combat?
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The affects are the same (sure hit of dismantle and cleaver), its just the design that is different, where Sukuna's domain is hollow and has a symbol of destruction in the center, while Itadori is full of old memories and moments with other people
Arkenis
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No Sukuna says its different, he didn't know it was Yuji's domain at first
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Sukuna only got out when he used HWB. Simple explanation is sure hit otherwise other interpretation is possible for that.
EldemadeDityjon
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Ik about sure hit being dismantle for second part where Yuji tried to remove Sukuna from Megumi, but how will you explain about Yujikuna thing?
Initially which turned Sukuna into Yujikuna is also seems like a sure hit effects though. Sukuna got out when he used HWB
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Idk, probably just a plot davice
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I'm just too right.
All them were either in love or obsessed with Sukuna for whatever reason.
Kenjaku and Uraume were fighting over Sukuna back in the day but Uraume still don't like bro. And why does Kenjaku know Yorozu and Sukuna's past?
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Domains control reality within them, Yuji's domain probably forms his ideal image of the world/projects his thoughts. Sukuna turning into Yujikuna is an obvious node to Yuji seeing himself in Sukuna as 268 made clear.
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Its still a sure hit nonetheless. Sukuna got out because of HWB. No domain has shown us so far that users mindset can just affect them.
EldemadeDityjon
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I'm just talking about Yujikuna part. Background scenarios doesn't matter I guess. It's all based on users image.
Arkenis
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Or domains just control reality inside like we know. Yuji's surehit would have killed Sukuna so I don't think its the surehit
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HWB only negates only the sure hit nothing else. Him Turning back to True form Sukuna. Explains that clearly.
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EldemadeDityjon
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It only counteracts domain sure hit not the Domain itself. It just nullifies the barriers effect on the user surrounding.Nope. HWB counteracts a domain AND the surehit.
Also how that explains Sukuna turning into Yujikuna is not a sure hit effects?
Tell me we know Fuga when used inside the Domain is also something connected to conditions of Domain due to cooking stuff and do you think SD and HWB can stop fuga? It shouldn't be able to looking at how Choso got cooked.
There is also the fact Reggie getting cooked. Nullifying the barriers doesn't mean anything other than sure hit gets nulled.
Yuta could still use his swords imbued CT's on Sukuna despite Sukuna using the HWB.
If HWB could just turn off any effects inside the domain other than sure hit. Neither Yuta nor Megumi domain other abilities should work on their opponents.
