Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Duedate8898]

Holy hell! Mark your spoilers! Like, this isn't a new policy.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Oh come on, anyone who reads JJK weekly have already read the chapter with unofficial translations (which are always better than the official lmao)

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Oh come on, anyone who reads JJK weekly have already read the chapter with unofficial translations (which are always better than the official lmao)

Duedate has a point, the official translations aren't out yet

 

[TheRustyOne]

Oh come on, anyone who reads JJK weekly have already read the chapter with unofficial translations (which are always better than the official lmao)

Their reaction clearly says otherwise.

Leaks are to be labeled as spoilers.

 

[Duedate8898]

Oh come on, anyone who reads JJK weekly have already read the chapter with unofficial translations (which are always better than the official lmao)

No they haven't! I know specifically because I personally don't read the spoilers and do keep up weekly. Not everyone participates in spoilers or the unofficial releases for most verses, not to mention it also doesn't account for the fact that people still show up here out of the loop and getting hit with spoilers frame one is ass.

The rule exist for a reason

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Meme

Meme

Again meme (Completely Unrelated to anything from recent chapters)

I don't know if we can even call these as Spoilers

 

[Duedate8898]

Yes they can be, because the meme's specifically are covering the latest chapter, literally in the Sukuna meme its for this week's bullshit

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

i marked JL memes as spoiler. Yuji one shouldn't be any spoiler so far so gonna keep it as it is.

Though personally I hate it. It just takes away the fun in sharing those with a spoiler tag.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I think Sukuna should get toon force for the way he bullshits his way through stuff, especially climbing Jacob's Ladder.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Spoiler

Yuji went through the ladder, he should have resistance to power null and Heat

 

[Giannysmag]

Spoiler

Yuji went through the ladder, he should have resistance to power null and Heat

Heat sure but why powernull? It's not like he was using any technique while inside it

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Heat sure but why powernull? It's not like he was using any technique while inside it

Well, honestly i was unsure but since it say JL disable CT, i imagine it disable for a time no just 1 second

 

[Giannysmag]

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

dude, yuji is leagues above him in strength currently, a weakened yuji managed to one tap him through a concentreted CE black flash while yuji was at less then 10% soul capacity (by mahito's words) while mahito was at around 20% by his own statements, current yuji can absolutely wreck his shit,

Who's relying on their soul to fight for their strength and who isn't. I'll let you figure it out.
? You gonna ignore Mahito being massively nerfed this bad?
Him and Todo going rel with a massively nerfed Sukuna, especially with Todo being able to take a BF just makes your interpretation worthless

and has the ability to dismantle the soul, mahito gets done in the second the distance between them is closed and if he tries IT yuji can either defend it like nanami but instead of doing in subconsciously he will just be actively doing it and considering his CE reserves by this point should be substentially above nanami's (through the 6 death paintings he ate and residue CE from sukuna) he would legit be able to ignore IT for the most part

And then get slammed by domain expansion. You're ignoring the fact that he had been handicapped against Yuji for not being able to use IT and his DE on him. Quite literally.
Cool he can dismantle the soul.... As if we didn't know this long ago.
Like I said ISB Mahito would give current Yuji a hard time. Especially when he can use Domain on him now for free.

he can heal through knowing he outline of his soul. Like legit current yuji has all the answere to mahito's kit, while mahito got 0 answere's to yuji's.

You can't heal from IT dude. This is just a yap now
Reshaping the soul ≠ damage done to the soul.

? dude he managed to avoid one and only got grazed on the side of his shoulder here

and that still messed him up even though it wasn't a direct hit and was mostly blocked.

That was a ******* direct hit why would you lie on this straight forward feat.

Now go and figure out why he coughed out blood in the image you posted.

This is what happened when sukuna did land a direct BF on todo:

Spoiler

I don't know about you but this

Which was after the second black flash. Of course you'd be knocked down dude

doesn't look like someone eating an attack.

Less damage than what Mahito did with a BF.

likely honestly, I'd still say kenny is top 3 of the verse with yuji and yuta being the ones right behind him.

He's not even top 3 either.

the same Uraume who is mad stuggeling against hakai? hell no, she gets cooked plus we've yet to see a Domain from her so depending on just how busted yuji's is she dying.

The same person Yuji would struggle against far more. This is such a stupid argument dude.
She easily chipping away limbs of his whilst holding back. This is something Yuji can't do or come close to unleashing one shot attacks like Kashimo's lightning and Uraume's attacks.
Uraume claps Yuji. Continuing on

yeah chapters ago, yuji has been adapting and using the CT better and better to the point where he managed to impose a rather effective binding vow on the part of the CT

Chapters ago where he's still in a Awakened state. Nothing new.
Dunno why you're glazing this BV. It's quite literally the reason as to why he can do this. Got nothing to do with his skill itself with CT.

dude who said yuji got no talent? kusakabe said that the metoric rise that would be insane by any other standard was because of sukuna but yuji himself had moments of insane talent, him being able to pretty much instantly grasp how to use CE reinforcement after todo told him being one and don't give me the "oh well he was taken over by sukuna at that point to" spiel, yuji was taken over by sukuna for at most 10 minutes culmatively at that point and he didn't see any real growth from that due to his lack of understanding where as when he was taken over by sukuna in shibuya he was taken over for half an hour and we see yuji being substentially stronger which is noted by choso right after the arc ends with the whole "demon god" statement.

Plus the man just heard about black flashes from todo once and managed to pull of 4 of them back to back matching the current record for consecutive BF's and sukuna had exactly nothing to do with that since he never pulled off a BF in yuji's body, if that ain't talent I don't know what is.

You're lost.
Kusakabe said he got no talent but only Sukuna's influence carrying him to such a level
Yuji says the same thing but more directly and bluntly. Go argue with these two instead of glazing Yuji nonstop about his non existent talent. go read the manga and ask yourself why after all these life and death battles and over 10 BF he didn't have crazy growth spurts like Mahito, Gojo, Higu etc.
"Spiel" Go argue with the manga again lol. He didn't instantly grasp reinforcement. He had Yuji fight with him and helped him out in a course of Jujutsu. That doesn't detract from the fact that his usage of these coming quickly around isn't because of Sukuna lmfao.
Yuji was taken over by Sukuna multiple times where he used his god tier CE control, CT, rct etc through his body. Trying to pretend this didn't carry him like Kusakabe said is just being disingenuous.

"Sukuna had nothing" argument doesn't even exist. I need you to stop using your imagination for your argument and use the manga. The fact exists that Sukuna used his sorcery in Yuji's body. Todo helped him guide his emotions and told him a way to perceive the world and that allowed him to hit a BF
We're also told that after hitting a BF, it is easier to hit the next one due to being in the zone. Your will and motivation and so on influence the chances of you hitting BF too.

Sukuna not pulling off BF in Yuji's body is irrelevant to the CE control used in his body dude.

yeah and? its still Reyomen Mother ******* SUKUNA, the strongest sorcerer in history and one that even in his current state is far above most special grades.

You're not reading the correction I did and just came in to yap with a invisible air.

oh wow its almost like everyone was shocked by yuta showing up in that scene

its almost like being smacked while your attention is directly focused on something else results in you taking more damage then if you where prepared for a hit (even though this hit didn't do any real damage and simply pushed yuji aside)

? lmfaooooo. You really trying to take things out of context

YUJI ISN'T SHOCKED. He's quite literally HYPER FOCUSED on Sukuna.

which we see here in chapter 261.

I'll explain the context fully so that you don't try to twist it again
That scene is Sukuna starting up to use his DE. Not because of Yuta. They're both focused on eachother and then Sukuna's focus shifts to the side. Not caring to focus on Yuji, as when he was about to use DE his focus shifted to there. Forgetting about Yuji.

After starting at Yuta for couple of seconds where Yuji is trying to pierce his heart, Sukuna proceeds to turn around and backhand slap him away, turning his back on him. This is a very simple scene. Ragdolled Yuji with a simple backhand slap making him into a wheel.

yeah and yuji so far is the only one that has shown the ability to pop them off nearly every other hit.

Which is never. Needs a off guard. Then a re focus with his emotions and will and then try to start spamming it since he got no other option aside from punching and kicking. Which is somewhat common once somebody is in the zone newly and fresh.

ah yes, domain expansion, basic barrier skills, known to the most basic specialgradesonly sorcerers.

Something which Kusakabe knows and something that Yuji struggled to make use of in their swap until he spammed multiple BF to eventually be able to utilise it.
It is said to be basic barrier skills. go take it up with Gege if you wanna complain about it bro. Not my fault Gege said so.

like honestly people yuji has been in the top 10 ever since 257, now with the current stuff he is legit in the running for the top 5-4 spot, sure he ain't sukuna or gojo, but don't forget he has been a sorcerer for a grand total of half a year

Literally not even top 5 or close. Never before. And not now.

my man..... yuji didn't have a CT, he legit could not unlock a Domain, since ya know CT's are a fundumental aspect to unlocking that whole thing.

My man he did. Literally had a Sukuna finger from birth and couple of weird experiments done on him.
Again still took so long to awaken his CT and then domain.

also compering anyones talent to mahito is nuts since he dwarfs everyone in that aspect by a country mile,

He's simply just Sukuna level in talent at best. Got same calamity mindset which you can interpret as the talent.

Here we got gojo a sorcerer since childhood who has been trained by his clan and the top teacher in the jujutsu collage, didn't have a domain for at least 8 years of his training as a sorcerer and he is just about the most talented sorcerer in JJK.

Nobody can train him in limitless CT, so no.
You also don't unlock your CT until a certain age. 5 or so.
Manuals also don't tell you how to use your CT in practice.

"Top teacher"? There is quite literally nobody capable of teaching him at a certain point dude. Pre rct gojo and geto were quite literally strongest at that time. There is also barely any rct user if gojo had to ask shoko for advice.
Gojo also doesn't run off to life and death battles nor encounter battles that can actually give him pressure either. Unless you think basic sparring is as good as real battle which is just wrong.
Guess who did? Mahito.
So him taking that long to achieve DE in his teenager age isn't surprising. Especially when he's been noted to be lazy in growing as implied within the series. (As in he's not actually putting real effort)
That's not withstanding the fact that we're told Limitless is said to be the strongest CT, which is to say its got the highest potential of a CT in verse. Especially when you pair it with the complex control that has to do with math and space-time.

["Limitless Jujutsu"

Miguel had it explained beforehand by Geto. It's literally a technique that materializes the concept of infinity. It is a hereditary technique that establishes Gojou Satoru as the strongest.

Precisely because it possesses unprecedented destructive power, meticulous manipulation of cursed energy at the atomic level is required to control it. The burden of calculating to the extent of controlling spacetime is unavoidable; if handled properly, the brain will inevitably burn out."]
This is far more complex than anything anybody has done with their CT. Especially when having to deal with the CT being far more burdening to the brain.
And the whole explanation given by the hired scientists about infinity itself and what it manipulates and such - Scales the level further above.

And that's not just it. In JJK series. Only gojo and Kenjaku has shown the ability to do a lapse (Not to be confused with the base activation of a technique) and reversal of a CT within the story. With gojo being also the only one to achieve the ability to do the combination of a reversal technique and Lapse technique
Something that gojo did for the latter two (Reversal and Imaginary technique) just after one life and death moment. Something that nobody else has done yet.

Mahito was born a month ago, manages to get off a domain after getting beat up.

Like no honestly compared to mahito even sukuna is a talentless hack cuse god damn that boy learned things fast.

Born as a special grade... That's a big start.
You've also forgotten the fact that curses like Mahito etc were born or were being created in response to Gojo's birth itself, due to his sheer talent, the world responded in such to bringing curses like Mahito and many more.

I know we don't accept Kashimo's EM waves as being light speed. But with volume 27 it looks like he didn't have EM waves to begin with. It seems i cant directly insert the image so here is a link to it. But basically what i could get out of online translators is "Improved agility due to activation of electrical signals in the brain. Optimized synchronization with the natural vibration frequency of matter. Evaporation of what is irradiated" Meaning that he doesn't actually have any EM waves and as such arguments about if the verse is relativistic to FTL based on this are instantly invalid. of course online translators aren't the best so if someone actually knows Japanese that would be good.

Volume 27 still says EMW. I got it myself.

Yuji and Megumi are in no universe comparable. Megumi has had multiple circumstances surrounding his existence that Yuji didn't and had more potential at the start than Yuji ever would pre-awakening:

1. Possessed one of the strongest cursed techniques in existence that rivals that of even the Six Eyes and the Limitless, having killed the previous Six Eyes user previously before Gojo.

? You don't seem to understand something as basic as talent. No idea why you're just going in a circle with me about this.

1. A previous fodder limitless + six eye user got murked by untamed maho. Not surprising given that 99% of the verse gets murked by it just by stats alone but that says a lot.
He has the CT but can't make use of its potential either bro. This is nothing new.

2. Had many YEARS of training with the strongest sorceror of the modern age before he even went to Jujutsu High, who also is a genius at controlling barriers as shown with his prison realm experience.

Training that probably was just mid.
You're aware that basic training doesn't matter much right? In JJK basic training won't get you to bigger levels like many here think. Missions where you get through pressure with a real threatening battle does.
Though of course the reason as to why Megumi's growth was stagnating was probably because of the fact that Gojo didn't even do a proper actual training on Megumi when he wasn't even in school yet, not to mention his own busy schedule with taking missions and what not. (Gojo).
Another well mentioning reason to why he wasn't growing so fast is because if the fact that as we were told... He did not have a proper mindset of growth unlike most if not almost all sorcerers. Gojo pointed this out to him.

And when he did this once he was capable of using DE. Could even contend with Dragon with it who had a pretty good grasp on barrier skill tech.

3. Would've been trained by the Zenin Clan, who knew the technique historically.

He probably would have gotten better training early on, you're right. Because Gojo is here to have his students enjoy their youth lol.

1. Barely used his technique to the fullest, not even unlocking all of his base Shikigami like Round Deer, and was nowhere close to attaining Mahoraga, which the shikigami he did have were tiny as hell compared to Sukuna's.

2. Had an INCOMPLETE DOMAIN despite his years of training with Gojo.

3. No RCT despite multiple near-death situations.

1. Yeah because he wasn't that strong. Wasn't that obvious?

2. Years of training with gojo that you could barely even quantify lol. Not a valid point.

3. Like two or three or 4 where he wasn't pushed to the brink in trying to come up with new stuff? Previous instances you mention are him preparing to suicide instead with Maho, which as we know was a inferior mindset when it comes to Jujutsu. So practically useless. He didn't even think of Jujutsu as individual sport bro. You can't grow unless you got the right mindset for it.

4. Never achieved a Black Flash.

5. Sucks in hand to hand.

6. Has no proper defense against complete Domains without having to use one of his own, which again is incomplete and can't even properly clash.

4. Because Gege tells you that he didn't want to repeat a sort of cliche where one gets it and the other also gets it. He wanted to make it diverse - Yuji can have BF whilst Megumi can have DE.
Achieving DE is better than Bf anyways.

5. He doesn't suck in hand to hand. Dunno why you lied.

6. A incomplete domain is way better than the likes of a domain for the weak lol.

7. Has had no relevant feats even while teamed up with other characters.

Yuji with no CT at the start and in a few months:

1. Broke the BF record, which Sukuna never did. Then proceeded to do it TWICE.

With only a ghost of the time with for training had:

2. Achieved a complete Domain Expansion.

3. Achieved RCT.

4. Knows Simple Domain and maybe even FBE given his training.

5. Is one of the best h2h fighters in the verse.

7. Yuji didn't even have any either in shinjuku until he started awakening. Kept getting clapped by Sukuna who treated him as dirt and not worth his time, despite teaming up. Heck dude backhand slapped him whilst completely ignoring him as some sort of bug

Having no CT can be sometimes better lol. Specifically for when it comes to focusing on something universally accessible to learning rather than some unique ability only specific to you. Because you get to focus more on the fundamentals of CE reinforcement and such. Something that Bf is in.

1. There's no proof that this said record applies to previous eras so idc. There's also the fact that sorcerers like gojo and Sukuna can't ever find a opponent that can take a punch and live on and get spammed with BF on, because most others die before they even get to roll a continuous black flash chain. Yuji doesn't have this issue at all. Always finding convenient opponents to spam BF on.

2. That training where you blatantly cheat in progress? Lmfao. He needed two switches to learn anti domain technique, rct, basic barrier skills and better CE reinforcement + consuming many others to gain more strength.
On top of that we're told the reason why he learned rct is mainly because of Sukuna using rct in his body

4. He doesn't know FBE.

5. This is kinda glaze but I'll allow it only within top 10

6. With help had taken on the disaster curses that were beyond normal special grades.

7. Held his own with no CT against a special grade in a 1v1.

Yuji and Megumi are not comparable in the slightest with their potential, it's an objective fact and I will die on that hill to defend it.

6 & 7. You mean one that was nerfed in mindset previously, had accumulated some damage beforehand and spammed with BF on before fixing her mindset? (Hanami)
Hanami is quite literally a convenient punching bag lol.
They were gonna get clapped until gojo came in to stop her from unleashing DE.
If we're talking about Mahito then that's even worse. Mahito is handicapped against Yuji in that he can't screw with his soul and body with IT. Sukuna WON'T allow it.
He can't even use his DE
Then he got ganged by Nobara weakening him quite a lot with that Soul damage, to which that gave Yuji the opportunity to throw free barrages on Mahito, weakening him extensively.
Then he threw a straight soul BF on Mahito.
Todo with CT is a crazy way of jumping people. And catching them off guard constantly. Nothing impressive. Because he getting carried by Sukuna

8. You're right. They don't have comparable potential. 10S eclipses Yuji's potential completely no diff.

Especially since he's one of the few beings that can actually RCT his soul.

While he does have the capability to see the contours of the soul, nothing so far proves he can replicate in doing this in healing. Even Sukuna had some extra struggle with it due to how different and new it is than healing the body. And difficult. And that's Sukuna. Unlike Yuji.
Pretty sure Yuji still has those scars on him caused on his soul, which he hadn't healed yet. Or shrug.

2- No one have ever unlocked Mahoraga

It's not only just that as a reason. Maho quite literally slams 99% of the verse. You literally have cases where people teamed up to exorcise Maho but failed.

4- No one in Jujutsu society seems to know how to use RCT with words, let alone teach how to use it

This is true.

Spoiler

Yuji went through the ladder, he should have resistance to power null and Heat

Literally everybody has resistance to power null and generally almost all hax in jjk from day one if you got CE or special HR body. It's why Jacob's ladder even got output in the first place lol. Or heck even DA.
Hell gojo said "no u" to DA and completely overpowered it by strengthening his infinity.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Tbh the solution is to scale everyone to "High 7-C" or "at most High 7-C" via Sukuna scaling like how everyone in MHA is either High 6-C or 6-B via Shigaraki fr fr

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

He's not even top 3 either.

I guess Top 4, and who is Top 3 according to you?

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Gun's fingers are suffering

 

[Nuckk145]

bro should write my essay for next year

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Heat sure but why powernull? It's not like he was using any technique while inside it

His transformation was still active So BM wasn't cancelled?

But he should get resistance for Purification and likely EE resistance

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I think Sukuna should get toon force for the way he bullshits his way through stuff, especially climbing Jacob's Ladder.

I mean

Spoiler

 

[Homie890]

n br,th czy,n and arkis be hatin' on yu fr' n rso a all.
(fixed version:nah bruh thats crazy,gun and arkenis be hatin' on yuji for no reason at all.)

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

n br,th czy,n and arkis be hatin' on yu fr' n rso a all.
(fixed version:nah bruh thats crazy,gun and arkenis be hatin' on yuji for no reason at all.)

That accent is so thick Kim Kardashian asked who was it's surgeon.

 

[JnSteHar002]

Tbh the solution is to scale everyone to "High 7-C" or "at most High 7-C" via Sukuna scaling like how everyone in MHA is either High 6-C or 6-B via Shigaraki fr fr

I can absolutely get down w/this

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

n br,th czy,n and arkis be hatin' on yu fr' n rso a all.
(fixed version:nah bruh thats crazy,gun and arkenis be hatin' on yuji for no reason at all.)

I'm surprised their favorite character isn't Sukuna

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

 

[Sir_sun_man]

you know I was all for it, then he hit me with skibitoilet and I took 10,000,000 psy damage.

 

[Duedate8898]

I feel like I just got hit with a World Cutting Slash that cut through the page

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

 

[Homie890]

That accent is so thick Kim Kardashian asked who was it's surgeon.

what?

 

[Homie890]

you know I was all for it, then he hit me with skibitoilet and I took 10,000,000 psy damage.

"you can't grasp the true form of gygas attack" ahh comment.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

My current list

Spoiler

Gota and MBA Kashimo are suicide techniques, so I'm not counting them. Also, I'm not going to repeat the same character with different versions.

1. Sukuna
2. Gojo
3. Kenjaku and Yuki (as they can defeat Yuta given his limitations)
4. Shinjuku Yuta
5. Awakened Yuji (although there are some win conditions for him against Yuta)
6. Uraume and Hakari
7. Miguel (as he should be able to blitz characters below him without needing Domain Expansion or anti-domain techniques)
8. Base Kashimo
9. Ryu
10. Geto (assuming he has a domain; otherwise, he would be below Todo)
11. Uro
12. Shinjuku Todo (with better reaction speed and a Cursed Technique that counters those below him. I know you people wants to downplay the True Jujustu Sorcerer but keep that to yourself. I don't want hear excuses )
13. Maki and Toji
14. Shinjuku Choso and SD amped Kusakabe

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

My current list

Spoiler

Gota and MBA Kashimo are suicide techniques, so I'm not counting them. Also, I'm not going to repeat the same character with different versions.

1. Sukuna
2. Gojo
3. Kenjaku and Yuki (as they can defeat Yuta given his limitations)
4. Shinjuku Yuta
5. Awakened Yuji (although there are some win conditions for him against Yuta)
6. Uraume and Hakari
7. Miguel (as he should be able to blitz characters below him without needing Domain Expansion or anti-domain techniques)
8. Base Kashimo
9. Ryu
10. Geto (assuming he has a domain; otherwise, he would be below Todo)
11. Uro
12. Shinjuku Todo (with better reaction speed and a Cursed Technique that counters those below him. I know you people wants to downplay the True Jujustu Sorcerer but keep that to yourself. I don't want hear excuses )
13. Maki and Toji
14. Shinjuku Choso and SD amped Kusakabe

Maki should be in the top 10 imo

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Maki should be in the top 10 imo

Spoiler

I can see her having better LS than even Yuta. I mean, I can say she has better LS than Gojo and Sukuna likely, but that's a different topic. But she lacks AP and speed. SSK is useless against Uro because of sky manipulation. Ryu should just blast her off with his GB. Todo can just steal her SSK, and his reaction speed is way higher. Geto should be able to land a clean Uzumaki hit on Maki. If Maki had some level of good regeneration, I would have placed her higher than Ryu. But she gets cooked; I don't see her surviving those blasts. She is not far from Yuta's durability. Yuta was surviving thanks to his RCT. I know he tanked most of them, but still, the damage is going to keep weighing against Maki. Uro would just keep spamming Ice Breaker or whatever that sky break stuff is, and Maki lacks any tools to even interact with her. SSK doesn't have feats for cutting the sky.

Regarding Todo's case, Sukuna was struggling against his Cursed Technique, who is obviously faster than Maki and has better combat skills and experience. I don't see Maki keeping up with Todo's swaps. Todo can induce his Cursed Energy into other objects and keep swapping, so I don't want to hear arguments about him not being able to swap with Maki. He has other ways to make up for it if he can't swap with Maki. With SSK in his hand, I can see him just slicing through her. He doesn't need to target her soul; he can just cut her physical parts. She doesn't have regeneration.

 

[Testarossa002]

Maki below 13 characters is nasty work

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Question if you use first key yuji in a match can you say it’s yuji before he ate the first finger or no?

Since iirc he did some decent fighting before he ate the finger and had sukuna possess him

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Maki below 13 characters is nasty work

Lacks feats = you gets placed below others who has feats. Simple as that.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Question if you use first key yuji in a match can you say it’s yuji before he ate the first finger or no?

Since iirc he did some decent fighting before he ate the finger and had sukuna possess him

Yeah you can use his first key without CE. Unless someone removed that key in previous revisions.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yeah you can use his first key without CE. Unless someone removed that key in previous revisions.

But first key has immortality that says reliant on sukuna, is it possible to restrict sukuna if your using his first key? Because he only gets it later on in the womb arc

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

But first key has immortality that says reliant on sukuna, is it possible to restrict sukuna if your using his first key? Because he only gets it later on in the womb arc

May be his human key got removed. I might be the one who removed it lol I forgot

But his previous fights were just street fights nothing special. He only gotten better after Gojo and Nanami training and Fights agaisnt Curses