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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Simpler times

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Satoru Gojo

Satoru Gojo (五ご条じょう悟さとる, Gojō Satoru?) is one of the main protagonists of the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is a Special Grade Jujutsu Sorcerer who is widely recognized as the strongest of the Modern Era. Satoru is the pride of the Gojo Family, being the first person to inherit both Limitless and...
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
Simpler times

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Satoru Gojo

Satoru Gojo (五ご条じょう悟さとる, Gojō Satoru?) is one of the main protagonists of the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is a Special Grade Jujutsu Sorcerer who is widely recognized as the strongest of the Modern Era. Satoru is the pride of the Gojo Family, being the first person to inherit both Limitless and...
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To think the Powers & Abilities section looked like that before the formatting changes...
 
Arkenis said:
Uraume is 7-C for the calc that is 7-C in their page.
Dagon didn’t tank anything so that should be fixed, and Toji’s barely 8-A so that isn’t a big error.
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Should a creation feat scale to her physicals? Even if it should, Yuki who stopped it with ease is Low 7-C

Plus Uraume got oneshot by Gojo, the same Gojo 15F Sukuna was able to clash with without getting pulverized, who is Low 7-C

Plus Uraume's durability is Low 7-C for apparently taking hits from Choso, Hakari, and Gojo, and Choso is 8-B but he still pierced through her hand
 
ExSENNA said:
Should a creation feat scale to her physicals? Even if it should, Yuki who stopped it with ease is Low 7-C

Plus Uraume got oneshot by Gojo, the same Gojo 15F Sukuna was able to clash with without getting pulverized, who is Low 7-C

Plus Uraume's durability is Low 7-C for apparently taking hits from Choso, Hakari, and Gojo, and Choso is 8-B but he still pierced through her hand
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Without the UES, no Uraume shouldn't be scaling to her creation feats, though the argument there would probably be that Uruame is a culling games player so her output should be below Ryu which means he could actually scale to that feat then that would mean everyone else to scale to it through Yuta, since Hakari is stated several times to be comparable to him when he gets it going and the Yuta that fought Ryu was weaker than the current one.

Either way, AP is still out of wack for the verse at the moment so that's really why stats are the way they are
 
ExSENNA said:
Should a creation feat scale to her physicals? Even if it should, Yuki who stopped it with ease is Low 7-C

Plus Uraume got oneshot by Gojo, the same Gojo 15F Sukuna was able to clash with without getting pulverized, who is Low 7-C

Plus Uraume's durability is Low 7-C for apparently taking hits from Choso, Hakari, and Gojo, and Choso is 8-B but he still pierced through her hand
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Okay so one.
Attack Potency: Town level (Created a massive block of ice using Maximum Output: Frost Calm that froze Maki and Yuji. Created a massive ice structure, fought on par with Hakari)

Striking Strength: Small Town level
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Gojo and Sukuna are High 7-C.

You know stats can be different right?
 
Geez I ask a question and got jumped by three people at once lmao

Yeah my point was tiers and scalings being wack, not that characters arent on the tier they are in

Arkenis said:
Okay so one.


Gojo and Sukuna are High 7-C.

You know stats can be different right?
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15F Sukuna is Low 7-C who was able to clash with Gojo without getting pulverized

Tbh it's weird when a character has higher AP but their SS and Dura is lower
 
ExSENNA said:
Geez I ask a question and got jumped by three people at once lmao

Yeah my point was tiers and scalings being wack, not that characters arent on the tier they are in


15F Sukuna is Low 7-C who was able to clash with Gojo without getting pulverized

Tbh it's weird when a character has higher AP but their SS and Dura is lower
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Ichigo moment.
 
Rosa said:
still thought they weren't enough to take Gojo on and so trying to jump in would only be a hinderance
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In an Olympic relay race, everyone needs to run 100 meters. They do it in around 10 seconds. If someone runs in 10.5 seconds, that’s a 5% difference in actual speed, which is barely noticeable. However, it makes all the difference and it’s a huge gap to cross for athletes.

That’s how I see the Gojo and Sukuna deal
 
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ExSENNA said:
Geez I ask a question and got jumped by three people at once lmao

Yeah my point was tiers and scalings being wack, not that characters arent on the tier they are in


15F Sukuna is Low 7-C who was able to clash with Gojo without getting pulverized

Tbh it's weird when a character has higher AP but their SS and Dura is lower
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He clashed with a random Red meant for Kenjaku? And they didn't clash, Limitless stopped Sukuna. And no its not weird lmao, AP and SS are generally different when there's different abilities and attacks.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
In an Olympic relay race, everyone needs to run 100 meters. They do it in around 10 seconds. If someone runs in 10.5 seconds, that’s a 5% difference in actual speed, which is barely noticeable. However, it makes all the difference and it’s a huge gap to cross for athletes.

That’s how I see the Gojo and Sukuna deal
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that literally just doesn't apply to this scenario at all nor did you engage with the particulars.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
In an Olympic relay race, everyone needs to run 100 meters. They do it in around 10 seconds. If someone runs in 10.5 seconds, that’s a 5% difference in actual speed, which is barely noticeable. However, it makes all the difference and it’s a huge gap to cross for athletes.

That’s how I see the Gojo and Sukuna deal
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No, how it works is that any other sorcerer tried to intervine in Gojo Vs Sukuna they would get collateral diffed
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Sukuna is only 5% better than everyone stat wise which is why Yuta using DE and instant jacobs ladder on a no-domain Sukuna in addition to Gojo fighting him would've been worse than just Gojo fighting individually. JJK makes so much sense this way!
 
Rosa said:
that literally just doesn't apply to this scenario at all nor did you engage with the particulars.
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The particulars are all exaggerations and contrived explanations.

Yea, Maki could help with her SS Katana, but in order for it to even be worth trying, Sukuna needs to be offguard

Yes Yuta popping a domain helps, but not in the middle of complex domain clashes and ever-adapting shikigami
 
Rosa said:
Sukuna is only 5% better than everyone stat wise which is why Yuta using DE and instant jacobs ladder on a no-domain Sukuna in addition to Gojo fighting him would've been worse than just Gojo fighting individually. JJK makes so much sense this way!
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Nah you don't get it, Ryu > Gojo which is why Ryu got oneshot by one Cleave from 16F Sukuna while Gojo tanked thousands of domain amped Cleaves from 20F Sukuna
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
The particulars are all exaggerations and contrived explanations.

Yea, Maki could help with her SS Katana, but in order for it to even be worth trying, Sukuna needs to be offguard

Yes Yuta popping a domain helps, but not in the middle of complex domain clashes and ever-adapting shikigami
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ngl I'm starting to think you never read JJK and it's been a long elaborate troll this entire time.

It's NOT an exaggeration to say Gojo and Sukuna lost access to the domain post-230, it's stated several times. Further, I thought Sukuna was only 5% greater than Maki, why would she need to off-guard him?
 
These small differences are explained to be a thing throughout jjk

Yuji has superior innate physical prowess to pre-awakened Maki and he’s strong enough to damage special grade cursed spirits. However, he’s only 120% the power of an average sorcerer, stated by Nanami.

Megumi is losing to a finger bearer which is also a special grade cursed spirit. Despite this, he turns the fight around with a 120% amp.

Naoya becomes 3x faster than he used to be at his peak speed and that’s enough to badblitz Maki who already has the superior eyesight, and she can only get around by paying attention to stuff she could previously see like fluctuations in air and whatnot.

All we know Sukuna gains from the fingers is CE, and 3F Sukuna gets slightly damaged by Nue and is weaker than Jogo, who is worth around 7-8 fingers at his best and can still damage 15F Sukuna with a maximum technique.

At his worst, 16F Sukuna is 80% of full power Sukuna, and that’s considering it as if he doesn’t have the same output.

Marginal differences in terms of percentages make all the difference in JJK.
 
Yuta while powered up by his domain: If it weren't for the after effects of his fight with Gojo, we wouldn't have a second to spare to use reverse cursed technique, he would have annihilated us instantly

Guac: So what you are saying is that he is 5% stronger than you at full power
 
Giannysmag said:
Yuta's domain would have been perfect for countering Maho actually because any time he begins adapting to a technique Yuta would just hit it with another
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Ngl, I don't think so. Besides the fact narratively it doesn't fit, Sukuna would've entered his true form aptly as he's getting jumped now and thus he'd have ended up with active HWB, Domain Amp, Maho and Agito out, Maho being physically above Yuta and Rika, it really wouldn't have mattered, Yuta would've taken enough damage have gotten his domain broken and then the fact he'd be participating in a fight where any attack could be fatal with weaker rct, weaker reinforcement, and weaker output.

A random dismantle would've killed Yuta.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Yuji has superior innate physical prowess to pre-awakened Maki and he’s strong enough to damage special grade cursed spirits. However, he’s only 120% the power of an average sorcerer, stated by Nanami.
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Nanami said that when Yuji was still learning the basics of CE manipulation. That same Yuji punched one of the finger bearers with cursed energy reinforcment and it did no damage. The Yuji that was damaging Hanami was one that had gottena major boost to his CE control after the fight with Todo
Guacamolefletcher said:
Megumi is losing to a finger bearer which is also a special grade cursed spirit. Despite this, he turns the fight around with a 120% amp
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That wasn't just a 120% amp to his physicals, but to every aspect of his technique and he still only won through a sneak attack
Guacamolefletcher said:
Naoya becomes 3x faster than he used to be at his peak speed and that’s enough to badblitz Maki who already has the superior eyesight, and she can only get around by paying attention to stuff she could previously see like fluctuations in air and whatnot.
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She was anticipating him to attack at mach 1, obviously she'd be caught off guard by how fast he was
Guacamolefletcher said:
All we know Sukuna gains from the fingers is CE, and 3F Sukuna gets slightly damaged by Nue
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He doesn't get damaged at all by Nue actually he just gets knocked forward a bit. And later he practically one shots the thing
Guacamolefletcher said:
and is weaker than Jogo, who is worth around 7-8 fingers at his best and can still damage 15F Sukuna with a maximum technique.
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Funny you bring up Jogo because he is a good case for why Sukuna's fingers likely aren't a linear increase. Jogo was about half the strength of 15F Sukuna by fingers, yet he was getting blitzed, torn apart and was unable to land a single hit the entire fight
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
These small differences are explained to be a thing throughout jjk

Yuji has superior innate physical prowess to pre-awakened Maki and he’s strong enough to damage special grade cursed spirits. However, he’s only 120% the power of an average sorcerer, stated by Nanami.
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I don't know what 120% statement by Nanami you're referring to as in context I severely doubt he was referencing the boarder populace averages of jujutsu society.
Guacamolefletcher said:
Megumi is losing to a finger bearer which is also a special grade cursed spirit. Despite this, he turns the fight around with a 120% amp.
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Megumi beats the finger bearer by catching him off guard with his strongest summon. So there is no equivalence here.
Guacamolefletcher said:
Naoya becomes 3x faster than he used to be at his peak speed and that’s enough to badblitz Maki who already has the superior eyesight, and she can only get around by paying attention to stuff she could previously see like fluctuations in air and whatnot.
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It feels like every time we debate you always try to pivot to Maki when we've discussed this exact argument 10+ already, which I don't mind normally but with you particularly you bring up this topic, debate it, then just stop replying after a certain amount of time and then next time it comes up it's the EXACT same arguments, same scans, same talking points, etc. I might just ban any Maki discussion with you in my head going forward, this specific area of JJK scaling is where you're the most weaselly and annoying.
Guacamolefletcher said:
All we know Sukuna gains from the fingers is CE, and 3F Sukuna gets slightly damaged by Nue and is weaker than Jogo, who is worth around 7-8 fingers at his best and can still damage 15F Sukuna with a maximum technique.
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Sukuna never gets damaged, nor was he ever going all out, and Jogo having a powerful maximum technique is perfectly fine.
Guacamolefletcher said:
At his worst, 16F Sukuna is 80% of full power Sukuna, and that’s considering it as if he doesn’t have the same output.
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Okay, and no one scales to 16F Sukuna. When he was brought to <10% of his power he was still 1v2'ing Maki and Yuji whilst laughing.
Guacamolefletcher said:
Marginal differences in terms of percentages make all the difference in JJK.
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This doesn't even engage with my questions. You completely ignored my original message, completely ignored the example I gave, completely ignored the counter argument and just began listing off headcanon. Why do you argue in this way?
 
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