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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

M3X_2.0 said:
Third I’d say Yuta, not only because I’m a fanboy, but because the only thing Kenjaku has is his Domain. While it’s true that his Domain would beat Yuta’s, it doesn’t mean it would kill him. After all this time we still doesn’t know what it does. It damaged Yuki and that’s a great, but that’s not enough to take Yuta down. And that’s a scenario where Kenjaku would begin the fight opening his Domain, without knowing if it would kill Yuta and taking the risk of getting his CT burnout. Eh, very unlikely. Yuta has Jacob’s Ladder that would instantly kill Kenjaku. The fight would be a 2v1 and both of them are stronger than Kenjaku, featwise at least. Yuta has much more going on in his favor than Kenjaku does.
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I get what you're saying but I think the series has conveyed to us enough that Kenjaku's intelligence is simply far greater than anything they could anticipate in a battle alone. This is ignoring how much planning had gone into defeating Kenjaku AFTER already showing special grade sorcerers weren't enough. Simple domain is always an option, messing with Yuta's domain can always be done while Kenjaku's stays up. CT burnout is something we see both Kenjaku and Yuta have fast recovery of so I doubt it'll be an issue here, and Jacob's Ladder probably can't do that, that's clearly something he would've prevented from leaking out in the cg, not even making note of it being something important.

This all also leaves out him spamming thousands of first grade curses and special grades, and we already saw Yuta struggled against just one.
 
Arkenis said:
This is ignoring how much planning had gone into defeating Kenjaku AFTER already showing special grade sorcerers weren't enough.
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Nah, they were simply asking too much from Yuta. It’s like:

“Hey Yuta, can you beat a sorcerer stronger than a Special Grade, but without dying, without letting your friends die, without letting him scape, also kill all the curses from Geto’s body, and without tiring yourself? Also make it quick so you can go help the others against Sukuna so they won’t die”

They made quick work of Kenjaku not because Yuta is incapable of beating him 1v1. But because it’d take a lot of time; Yuta can lose; Yuta can get injuried; Yuta can get tired. So they made it quick so he could return to the battlefield.
Arkenis said:
Simple domain is always an option, messing with Yuta's domain can always be done while Kenjaku's stays up.
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I see no reason for Yuta to open his Domain just to get insta countered and get CT burnout.
Arkenis said:
CT burnout is something we see both Kenjaku and Yuta have fast recovery of so I doubt it'll be an issue here
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It would if Kenjaku cannot kill him in his first try.
Arkenis said:
and Jacob's Ladder probably can't do that, that's clearly something he would've prevented from leaking out in the cg, not even making note of it being something important.
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That’s something you made up though. Jacob’s Ladder absolutely destroys Kenjaku, or at least, extinguishes his CT.
 
Arkenis said:
This all also leaves out him spamming thousands of first grade curses and special grades, and we already saw Yuta struggled against just one.
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No point in being dishonest here. Why do you not take into account the fact that it was base Yuta, not using any CT, only sword skills and not using RCT for most of the fight? Not even Rika.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Seriously, people forget how busted Jacob's Ladder is because Sukuna always tanks it for some god damn reason
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IIRC didn’t Hana explained that Yuta cannot use it at its fullest against Sukuna to not kill Megumi? If Yuta deletes the cursed object, Megumi’s brain will fry and he will probably die.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
IIRC didn’t Hana explained that Yuta cannot use it at its fullest against Sukuna to not kill Megumi? If Yuta deletes the cursed object, Megumi’s brain will fry and he will probably die.
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If you're referring to chapter 251, then the gist of what she says is that "the vessel's chance of surviving is way higher if the connection between them and the cursed object is disrupted." That's all I remember. Though I do consider that Yuta used that Jacob's Ladder to stun Sukuna rather than destroy him
 
That Jacob’s Ladder clearly worked exclusively to stun Sukuna so Yuji could access his soul.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
IIRC didn’t Hana explained that Yuta cannot use it at its fullest against Sukuna to not kill Megumi? If Yuta deletes the cursed object, Megumi’s brain will fry and he will probably die.
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I mean, can they even save Megumi at this point? He's probably gonna merc himself out of sheer depression (that is if he doesn't just drop dead first)
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
I mean, can they even save Megumi at this point? He's probably gonna merc himself out of sheer depression (that is if he doesn't just drop dead first)
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ngl after the fiasco he made to destroy the plan with Yuta they should straight up fight to kill Sukuna and not to save Megumi.

They just lost the strongest mf they had to fight Sukuna because Megumi doesn’t want to come back.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
ngl after the fiasco he made to destroy the plan with Yuta they should straight up fight to kill Sukuna and not to save Megumi.

They just lost the strongest mf they had to fight Sukuna because Megumi doesn’t want to come back.
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It's literally Megumi's fault for this because he can't fight back Sukuna. Bro was so depressed he had the Mahoraga summoning sign when Yuji peered into his soul. Bro just wants to get it over with at this point
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
That was their ONLY chance as far as we can feasibly project

At this rate, f*ck it
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Like… the plan worked, it literally worked. They got everything right. They did BEAT Sukuna. At one point Yuta could’ve just erased the finger and Sukuna would cease to exist.

Megumi just needed a bit more of strength and it was over. The only casualties would be Gojo and Higuruma dying, and I’m pretty sure they could save them had Megumi woke up from that.

Now Choso died, Yuta is heavily injured, Higuruma died and Gojo supposedly died. Kusakabe is in critical condition and people who never met Megumi like Larue is in critical condition as well.
 
Aside from using Megumi to nerf Sukuna, why do they even need him alive? If I were Yuji I would understand the situation and just do what I have to do. I guess it's a part of Yuji's whole "gotta save everyone" archetype. The only difference is that he's a but more selfish of the people around him, like he would save everyone, but he would do anything for Megumi, even if it means compromising the lives of others, in addition to the fact that he is willing to kill Mahito no matter what for Nanami and Nobara.

To be fair, Megumi and Gojo did save him from just getting immediately executed, but at this point the problem is far out of their control.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
The situation now is far above any personal drama or relationship. They should straight up kill him.
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Exactly. Before when Yuji ate one finger it was understandable because he still would get neg diffed by Gojo, but now this shit has gone far sideways, they need to kill Sukuna, even if that means killing Megumi.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
It's literally Megumi's fault for this because he can't fight back Sukuna. Bro was so depressed he had the Mahoraga summoning sign when Yuji peered into his soul. Bro just wants to get it over with at this point
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I don't know if we should really be holding Megumi liable right now. Like yes, he has given up, but he's the victim in this situation. He's been possessed, tortued/deeply sedated by sukuna's weird blood ritual, used as the main means for the murder of his sister and mentor and bore the burden of unlimited void as a soul.

The very reason there's an attempt to save Megumi is because he's just another victim in all of this.

That said, it's not like they've compromised their plan or chances by having the goal of saving megumi. They haven't been pulling punches at any point in this fight because you can't really fight Sukuna while pulling your punches, unless you're Gojo and even he wasn't pulling them. All of their plans don't just save Megumi, they also kill Sukuna at the same time. All that's really happened so far is continued hiccups and their lesser strength not even being able to meet the condition of killing Sukuna.

Like these last three chapters of Yuji just wailing on Sukuna, I can't really say Yuji isn't doing his best right now when most of the hits he lands are black flashes.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Nah, they were simply asking too much from Yuta. It’s like:

“Hey Yuta, can you beat a sorcerer stronger than a Special Grade, but without dying, without letting your friends die, without letting him scape, also kill all the curses from Geto’s body, and without tiring yourself? Also make it quick so you can go help the others against Sukuna so they won’t die”

They made quick work of Kenjaku not because Yuta is incapable of beating him 1v1. But because it’d take a lot of time; Yuta can lose; Yuta can get injuried; Yuta can get tired. So they made it quick so he could return to the battlefield.

I see no reason for Yuta to open his Domain just to get insta countered and get CT burnout.

It would if Kenjaku cannot kill him in his first try.

That’s something you made up though. Jacob’s Ladder absolutely destroys Kenjaku, or at least, extinguishes his CT.
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after all that, it was still an exchange for yuta well being for takaba. it was still another strong loss
 
Duedate8898 said:
I don't know if we should really be holding Megumi liable right now. Like yes, he has given up, but he's the victim in this situation. He's been possessed, tortued/deeply sedated by sukuna's weird blood ritual, used as the main means for the murder of his sister and mentor and bore the burden of unlimited void as a soul.

The very reason there's an attempt to save Megumi is because he's just another victim in all of this.

That said, it's not like they've compromised their plan or chances by having the goal of saving megumi. They haven't been pulling punches at any point in this fight because you can't really fight Sukuna while pulling your punches, unless you're Gojo and even he wasn't pulling them. All of their plans don't just save Megumi, they also kill Sukuna at the same time. All that's really happened so far is continued hiccups and their lesser strength not even being able to meet the condition of killing Sukuna.

Like these last three chapters of Yuji just wailing on Sukuna, I can't really say Yuji isn't doing his best right now when most of the hits he lands are black flashes.
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wasnt the fact that sukuna is alive right now was because yuta halted jacob ? if that wasnt a pull back idk what is
 
Duedate8898 said:
I don't know if we should really be holding Megumi liable right now. Like yes, he has given up, but he's the victim in this situation. He's been possessed, tortued/deeply sedated by sukuna's weird blood ritual, used as the main means for the murder of his sister and mentor and bore the burden of unlimited void as a soul.
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I won't deny Megumi had gone through some ****** up shit, nor am I saying that I don't empathize with him.
Duedate8898 said:
The very reason there's an attempt to save Megumi is because he's just another victim in all of this.
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Yeah, I get it, but they need to pull the Post-Shibuya Yuta Okkotsu and just get 'em. Yuji had gone through a pretty shit time but Yuta was on sight to kill him when needed. Plus, Megumi at this point is begging for it, to make him suffer when his life is putting others at risk is too selfish of a deed. At least with Shibuya Sukuna he still couldn't beat Gojo if shit hit the fan, but Sukuna with Megumi's technique was far more dangerous.
Duedate8898 said:
That said, it's not like they've compromised their plan or chances by having the goal of saving megumi. They haven't been pulling punches at any point in this fight because you can't really fight Sukuna while pulling your punches, unless you're Gojo and even he wasn't pulling them. All of their plans don't just save Megumi, they also kill Sukuna at the same time. All that's really happened so far is continued hiccups and their lesser strength not even being able to meet the condition of killing Sukuna.
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They also still have some desire to save Megumi, even when there lies a risk. And now Megumi isn't really helping them win, of anything his lacking control is causing them more hell.
 
eibwen said:
wasnt the fact that sukuna is alive right now was because yuta halted jacob ? if that wasnt a pull back idk what is
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He already fought Angel in Heian Era. JL is not a new attack for him which can just kill him. May be situation is changed due to reincarnation. But It was never stated that he halted JL.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
He already fought Angel in Heian Era. JL is not a new attack for him which can just kill him. May be situation is changed due to reincarnation. But It was never stated that. He halter JL.
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JL wouldn’t have as painful an effect on him back in the Heian Era because he wasn’t a cursed object and was actually alive
 
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