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Which one? Domains increasing your stats thanks to ce output or domains weakening the other person's abilities? (CT)
For the former, some people ik always argued stats statement is vague or something.
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For the former, some people ik always argued stats statement is vague or something.
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I need them to jump Sukuna like they did against Mahito.
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Gege could make Sukuna do something new with his domain like his third near death experience like Mahito
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Nah, let Yuji and Todo do a domain expansion and cancel it out.
Domain Expansion x 3 = Nah B
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I mean. many Manga are repetitive too in the plot they display, so I don't see the issue. If anything, THIS is meant to cement Sukuna's status as the strongest in history further, and to essentially replicate the events of everybody in the Heian Era raiding on Sukuna in modern era style. A repeat of events but with different people. (and a equal to Sukuna) Furthermore, many in the manga has contributed to further weakening Sukuna, whether it be reducing his CE output level, his CE reserves, making him use rct which consumes much more CE, damaging his heart and removing his arms or hands which does weaken you. And the soul damage, and especially the brain damage. It is a snowball of piled up effects.
If I had to guess, the final battle for the group raid here, will be a 4vs1, where Yuji, Hakari, Maki and Yuta all go up against Sukuna where everybody else is KO'ed and it's them who is the last standing fighters. My prediction is based on the jjk art by gege where it displayed all 4 standing and the text "Stronger, smarter etc comrades"
Just a speculation tho but if gege did it like this, then it would be honestly heat. and the most intense battle for the raid.
If I had to guess, the final battle for the group raid here, will be a 4vs1, where Yuji, Hakari, Maki and Yuta all go up against Sukuna where everybody else is KO'ed and it's them who is the last standing fighters. My prediction is based on the jjk art by gege where it displayed all 4 standing and the text "Stronger, smarter etc comrades"
Just a speculation tho but if gege did it like this, then it would be honestly heat. and the most intense battle for the raid.
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It's done in kind of a goofy way, though. They have Sukuna getting pressed, then he uses a technique out of nowhere or offscreen Haki.
And honestly, I wouldn't even be surprised at this point if he made Sukuna just kill everyone.
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I don't know about the latest chapter yet, but the only time Sukuna has really pulled a new technique out of nowhere is the World Slash which while a surprise at the time was built up beforehand. And the only person to really get "off-screened", was Gojo after an extensive fight.
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Fair enough.
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Basically what Duedate said. But it's confirmed Sukuna is holding back, so they never really pressed him.
Nonetheless, Sukuna strength is wittling down bit by bit, unless he gets few more BF's and fixes his output somewhat.
Anyways Miguel atm is strong enough to hold Sukuna back long enough for everybody to patch up easily and join the battle.
Will Miguel Fail And Lose, Or Will He Prove That He Is Truly The Strongest Punching Bag?
(and secure W feats and beat Sukuna up fr)
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He doesn't need hand signs to shoot them, but for the world slash he needs either hands signs or chants to charge it up, hence why he still shot it out and he was able to perform a chantHow Sukuna sent the slashes against Yuta without using his hands signs
Gege clearly confirmed this time he doesn't need hand signs
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The more I reread the chapter the more I realize how much Sukuna was just ******* with Kusakabe. Bro literally straight up told him "Just a heads up, imma use the world dismantle next, good luck" and then the second he got bored Kusakabe got cooked
"Ah yes, Yuji's 'jumping the shit out of a main villain with his brother' technique. He hasn't used this since Mahito"
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you just figured it out? dude look at this ****:
tell me that's a look of someone not ******* around?
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I really do hope that Gregory will find someway of tying this whole mess together, but after the ******* Miguel reveal last chapter I am really starting to think he's got no clue what he is doing anymore
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He is running the gauntlet from strongest to weakest
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Sukuna is in a way, helping everybody to push themselves to their limit here in the Manga, to demonstrate their motives, their reasoning and ideals. Higuruma is one. Kusakabe is two, etc. It's kinda like what Sukuna said few chapters back when he was reasoning with himself in deep thought about their ideals, especially Yuji's who he saw was as strong as he was, which he wanted to crush.
^ Just a food for thought, not everybody is going through this stage, like Yuta for example.
Lol. We're told that world slash is special and requires as such. Oh yeah, speaking of world slash and dismantle
btw, Kusakabe senses > Gojo in senses and six eyes
(it's also said in this chapter that Maki and Maho can see it/perceive it better than other sorcerers. Gojo with his senses and six eyes > Other sorcerers already by a several big gap)
Kashimo: sees and dodges world slash
Higuruma: can partially evade the world slash
Kusakabe: can predict where it will come from before it’s released
Maki: can see and dodge the world slash
Yuta: can tell when his dismantle is about to go off and collapses his DE as a distraction.
Gojo: with the most broken ability in the series, the six eyes, is unable to perceive the build up of CE, see the attack travel… Gojo who can also sense the same as Sukuna on telling the spark for CT's and the like for decent/strong moves and higher, can’t sense the world slash.
Type Shi, everybody here has better senses than Gojo fr. Gege is cooking here. the six eyes was not real.
^ Just a food for thought, not everybody is going through this stage, like Yuta for example.
Lol. We're told that world slash is special and requires as such. Oh yeah, speaking of world slash and dismantle
btw, Kusakabe senses > Gojo in senses and six eyes
(it's also said in this chapter that Maki and Maho can see it/perceive it better than other sorcerers. Gojo with his senses and six eyes > Other sorcerers already by a several big gap)
Kashimo: sees and dodges world slash
Higuruma: can partially evade the world slash
Kusakabe: can predict where it will come from before it’s released
Maki: can see and dodge the world slash
Yuta: can tell when his dismantle is about to go off and collapses his DE as a distraction.
Gojo: with the most broken ability in the series, the six eyes, is unable to perceive the build up of CE, see the attack travel… Gojo who can also sense the same as Sukuna on telling the spark for CT's and the like for decent/strong moves and higher, can’t sense the world slash.
Type Shi, everybody here has better senses than Gojo fr. Gege is cooking here. the six eyes was not real.
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Sukuna used offscreen haki on gojoSukuna is in a way, helping everybody to push themselves to their limit here in the Manga, to demonstrate their motives, their reasoning and ideals. Higuruma is one. Kusakabe is two, etc. It's kinda like what Sukuna said few chapters back when he was reasoning with himself in deep thought about their ideals, especially Yuji's who he saw was as strong as he was, which he wanted to crush.
^ Just a food for thought, not everybody is going through this stage, like Yuta for example.
Lol. We're told that world slash is special and requires as such. Oh yeah, speaking of world slash and dismantle
btw, Kusakabe senses > Gojo in senses and six eyes
(it's also said in this chapter that Maki and Maho can see it/perceive it better than other sorcerers. Gojo with his senses and six eyes > Other sorcerers already by a several big gap)
Kashimo: sees and dodges world slash
Higuruma: can partially evade the world slash
Kusakabe: can predict where it will come from before it’s released
Maki: can see and dodge the world slash
Yuta: can tell when his dismantle is about to go off and collapses his DE as a distraction.
Gojo: with the most broken ability in the series, the six eyes, is unable to perceive the build up of CE, see the attack travel… Gojo who can also sense the same as Sukuna on telling the spark for CT's and the like for decent/strong moves and higher, can’t sense the world slash.
Type Shi, everybody here has better senses than Gojo fr. Gege is cooking here. the six eyes was not real.
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Only valid is Maki but we know Gojo needs to concentrate on perceiving souls but Maki can do it without concentration. There is no reason to believe six eyes> HR eyes. As for Kashimo he had X ray eyes there is nothing states six eyes> Kashimo's x ray vision. Kusakabe never predicted it Sukuna told him he is gonna fire the slash next. I don't think yuta was defending himself that straight up looks like he was trying to cut Sukuna but got caught in WS.Sukuna is in a way, helping everybody to push themselves to their limit here in the Manga, to demonstrate their motives, their reasoning and ideals. Higuruma is one. Kusakabe is two, etc. It's kinda like what Sukuna said few chapters back when he was reasoning with himself in deep thought about their ideals, especially Yuji's who he saw was as strong as he was, which he wanted to crush.
^ Just a food for thought, not everybody is going through this stage, like Yuta for example.
Lol. We're told that world slash is special and requires as such. Oh yeah, speaking of world slash and dismantle
btw, Kusakabe senses > Gojo in senses and six eyes
(it's also said in this chapter that Maki and Maho can see it/perceive it better than other sorcerers. Gojo with his senses and six eyes > Other sorcerers already by a several big gap)
Kashimo: sees and dodges world slash
Higuruma: can partially evade the world slash
Kusakabe: can predict where it will come from before it’s released
Maki: can see and dodge the world slash
Yuta: can tell when his dismantle is about to go off and collapses his DE as a distraction.
Gojo: with the most broken ability in the series, the six eyes, is unable to perceive the build up of CE, see the attack travel… Gojo who can also sense the same as Sukuna on telling the spark for CT's and the like for decent/strong moves and higher, can’t sense the world slash.
Type Shi, everybody here has better senses than Gojo fr. Gege is cooking here. the six eyes was not real.
Beside Sukuna even told Kashimo to dodge it. That's not a some valid reason to say Gege was implying something there
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For me the problem is that while all of these character moments are cool in a vacuum, they dont lead to anything. Like Kusakabe gets his cool little moment were he stops being a coward and puts up an actual fight against Sukuna and then 2 pages later gets off screened.
Same thing with Yuta, he gives his little speach about feeling responsible for this mess because he went after Kenny and you know what that leads to... nothing. He does a cool 3v1 in his domain and then gets oneshot and all the damage him and Yuji dealt mean nothing because Sukuna landed black flash.
Same thing with Higuruma, he talks about just wanting to complete his role and then die but guess what he doesnt even do that. He fails to confiscate Sukuna's technique and the executioners sword disappears before Yuji strikes Sukuna.
Having character moments is obviously good but if those moments lead to nothing then it just makes the whole arc feel even more repetitive and pointless.
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Why isn't Maki like Low 7-C from being able to fight 15F Sukuna (C.E output only affects techniques last time I checked)
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Congrats you've just opened Pandora's box
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? No he only concentrated to peer into Sukuna and Megumi's inner soul. Precisely their innate domain, That's different from perceiving the soul from the outside. Maki can never do this.
HR eyes aren't even > Six eyes tf? U have gege jacking off what the six eyes can see, peer into, etc. Whether that be instantly analyzing how a technique works, be it CT or DA, to even deduce their weaknesses, or seeing CE in a VERY detailed form.
Be serious.
Infact back when the finger merged with Yuji, Gojo with his blindfold, which dampen his six eye senses, was able to peer into Yuji and deduce that Yuji had indeed consumed Sukuna, and Sukuna was indeed inside there and not some random ass. Similar to what he did in Ch230. I guarantee you gojo can easily see souls without having to focus, but peering into a different space (Innate domain) which is basically the inside of the soul, is more difficult than whatever Maki does. And she can't see CE or techniques in such detailed form like Gojo does.
Kid Gojo can even see, sense and perceive Toji, who is "pure emptiness" due to no CE. And Gojo can see, perceive and control the concept of infinity and bring it to reality... nah bro dismantle is not that hard to see. I guarantee you. Not for Gojo. Especially when it's stated Maki and Maho better than other sorcerers when it comes to seeing dismantle, meaning there is some sort of degree where they can somewhat see it.
Six eyes senses and feats are much better than X ray eyes, sorry. Dismantle is CE. And Kashimo was only told to dodge this, that doesn't mean he's innately aware of how big the dismantle is, the shape, how fast, where it will shoot exactly, etc, especially given the distance between these two. So he'd normally not dodge it... but he did because he was able to see it and perceive it. Kinda the reason as to why he even saw these waffle dismantle. So no.
Kusakabe was both able to sense dismantle, and block it. He even weaves through it when going up close combat to fight Sukuna
He can also sense the spark and such. As for world slash, he intercepted Sukuna from trying to build it up. Sukuna never said he was going to use world slash, Kusakabe just was able to sense that spark and deduce it. Yuta did somewhat block it, that's a raised up guard, which is even why he was able to intentionally break down his domain purposefully. That's a guy who was prepared.
this is a plot hole from Gege till he gives an actual good explanation to why gojo got cut in half just like that. You can't tell me one armed near death Sukuna with one eye was able to pull off world slash with just one arm with gojo just standing there like a idiot. do we think he's a dumbass now in a combat where he has seen Sukuna use his Shikigami abilities, seen dismantle, seen world slash etc?
only way sukuna could have landed that shot is because of a binding vow that makes Sukuna shoot it out without putting his hand up, instant shot with no ce spark, no build-up, completely invisible to even Gojo's senses.
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I don't see the specifically where it was stated six eyes is better than other eyes. Yeah six eyes gives huge advantage to Gojo but where TF here it states what you saying or implying?? No he only concentrated to peer into Sukuna and Megumi's inner soul. Precisely their innate domain, That's different from perceiving the soul from the outside. Maki can never do this.
HR eyes aren't even > Six eyes tf? U have gege jacking off what the six eyes can see, peer into, etc. Whether that be instantly analyzing how a technique works, be it CT or DA, to even deduce their weaknesses, or seeing CE in a VERY detailed form.
Be serious.
Check the chapter again. It was Megumi who told Gojo then Gojo checked that to confirm he didn't just know Yuji merged with Sukuna. Same goes for chapter 230 he didn't know what happened until he focuses on souls. He then know Megumi took the burden when he saw his soul looked smaller than Sukuna's soul
Perception has nothing to do with seeing?
Maki can see the soul perfectly which Gojo needs concentration as far as series goes. Maki didn't perceive WS she saw it both are different things.
Still nothing states Six Eyes> X ray vision of Kashimo
@Sir_sun_man already posted the scan where Sukuna literally warns him. Also Kusakabe never predicted it because of sparks. He only predicted normal dismantle with sparks not WS.Kusakabe was both able to sense dismantle, and block it. He even weaves through it when going up close combat to fight Sukuna
He might have blocked it because of him hearing the chants at best nothing states he blocked it because of sparks.
No one saw the sparks of WS as far as Series shows it. Only thing that has been confirmed is Chants is required and a charge up time nothing else.
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Gege: So anyways Ui Ui can see the slashes as they glimmer just before connecting with one’s curse energy.Sukuna is in a way, helping everybody to push themselves to their limit here in the Manga, to demonstrate their motives, their reasoning and ideals. Higuruma is one. Kusakabe is two, etc. It's kinda like what Sukuna said few chapters back when he was reasoning with himself in deep thought about their ideals, especially Yuji's who he saw was as strong as he was, which he wanted to crush.
^ Just a food for thought, not everybody is going through this stage, like Yuta for example.
Lol. We're told that world slash is special and requires as such. Oh yeah, speaking of world slash and dismantle
btw, Kusakabe senses > Gojo in senses and six eyes
(it's also said in this chapter that Maki and Maho can see it/perceive it better than other sorcerers. Gojo with his senses and six eyes > Other sorcerers already by a several big gap)
Kashimo: sees and dodges world slash
Higuruma: can partially evade the world slash
Kusakabe: can predict where it will come from before it’s released
Maki: can see and dodge the world slash
Yuta: can tell when his dismantle is about to go off and collapses his DE as a distraction.
Gojo: with the most broken ability in the series, the six eyes, is unable to perceive the build up of CE, see the attack travel… Gojo who can also sense the same as Sukuna on telling the spark for CT's and the like for decent/strong moves and higher, can’t sense the world slash.
Type Shi, everybody here has better senses than Gojo fr. Gege is cooking here. the six eyes was not real.
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Before I started rereading the chapter I had only seen the leaks as they came out so the part with Sukuna saying he's gonna do the world slash wasn't translated yet and I also completely missed the shit eating grin this dude had lmaoyou just figured it out? dude look at this ****:
tell me that's a look of someone not ******* around?
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Is it possible Gojo just let the World slash/dismantle hit him? Sukuna looked pretty damaged at that point and Gojo got a refresh/amp from the black flash he pulled. Being the arrogant and cocky sorcerer he is, Gojo thought he could tank it.
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literally told it was about to be fired at him and still got clipped by it
??? when? what?
dude
the first time it was used on him he literally couldn't do a damned thing and the only reason he lived is cuse sukuna was playing with him
again he is literally told it's about to be fired
she can actually see them true
I mean he literally starts chanting when he is about to unleash it so I would hope yuta has enough brain power to figure out: "Sukuna has a pre-requisite of firing off his world dismantle by chanting.... and he is chanting right in front of me, better collapse that domain right about now"
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I think he just didn't think it could hit him, cuse again people its not like the world cutter was exactly what everyone knew sukuna managed to unlock by looking at maho, hell mr 10000 Iq kenny was even surprised by it.
and don't bring up that whole thing about paper bag guy and gojo being able to tell what his CT was, world dismantle isn't a different CT its the same CT sukuna has been using with an expanded target nothing else.
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Not really sukuna might've gotten back some of his output but his RCT is still in the dump, he is missing 1 arm, the other still hasn't fully healed and is split in half and he is still missing the use of the second mouth.
that wasn't really the point of his character I feel like, he is more clearly similar to Nanami aka growth and character progression for yuji, nanami also didn't achive much in his death, he didn't do much damage to dagon, he got blasted by jogo and mahito one taps him before he can even do anything.
Honestly it feel like you are more focusing on what the characters can do to sukuna than the characters themselves, the theme's of these characters have been set and they are coming to their conclusion in this fight, sure some will achieve little when it comes to fighting sukuna and it will all come down to the next generation that gojo has been cultivating the 4 big hitters; maki, hakari, yuta (I feel like he is still alive and sukuna pointing out that he can't use limitless in 251 might be foreshadowing for what is gonna happen with yuta and gojo's corpse in a few chapters) and of course the one and only yuji itadori.
The fever of change, the destruction of old, the unending and unequivocal love and the indominable spirit of the new generation of sorcerers against the living calamity of old, the one who burns all in his way for the sake of his own satisfaction, the one who threw away love for it is worthless to him and destroyed the spirits and wills of thousands of sorcerers through his unending strength.
It is more than likely that half (if not 75%) of them will die by the end of it all but the theme here is clear.
The cultivation of the new done by gojo against the calamity and stagnation of old that is sukuna.
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Reality is sometimes is not what everyone expect that's what the moto Gege is doing. You can't just expect Good guys to win just like that. Anyway Higuruma and Kusakabe does got some great writting overall. Especially Kusakabe this chapter was dope. His inner monologue just moved me.
She did zero damage against Less than 10% of CE output 15F Sukuna. @SunDaGamer already made a good explanation why she isn't hanging around with special grades in Arkenis CRT. Yeah she isn't scaling to any High tiers.
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Lightning Analysis on the new chapter
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John werry
I swear to what ever god may exist I will kill that man one day
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her only thing right now is the speed and dura neg (info analysis as well but not as important in most situations)
basically unless she comes back and actually does something to sukuna without that soul split than to argue for low 7-C is possible, as it stands right now you can at best argue for low 7-C durability since she did take a beating and didn't turn to sludge after the first hit.
