Judgment for The Devil of Rhine: Sans VS Tanya von Degurechaff:

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Both at 9-A

Speed is equalized

Fight takes place at the Brandenburg Gate (Berlin, Germany)

Both start 20 meters from each other

Fight ends in Death

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[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

I'd actually recommend you start a closer range lol.

That said this is a match that holy shit you can deny Tanya's flight advantage. With all of the enemies Tanya killed, the bones are gonna hit hard on her. However Stamina and AOE are big advantages for her. She's no stranger to dodging danmaku, she might get tricked up by the attacks you're not supposed to dodge but should be adaptable. Barriers help. Illusions help.

I think she can outlast Sans honestly but I'll hold my vote for now.

 

[Bruhtelho]

I'd actually recommend you start a closer range lol.

would about 50 meters be better?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

would about 50 meters be better?

Imo the range where both can attack each other is the best range so the maximum range of Sans. That way Tanya just doesn't just stay up in the sky and rain hell like she usually does

 

[Bruhtelho]

Imo the range where both can attack each other is the best range so the maximum range of Sans. That way Tanya just doesn't just stay up in the sky and rain hell like she usually does

Sans has dozens of meters so i'll switch it to about 20 meters apart

 

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[LeoEpicGamer8910]

I say Sans because he has better lifting strength and could probably win by slamming Tanya into the ground, which he has done many times before to Frisk.

 

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[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Honestly with how Sans is, a good AOE is all he needs to go down. Gonna vote Tanya

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

what about his dodging skills and teleportation, could that help

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

what about his dodging skills and teleportation, could that help

Possibly... Oof, posted reply too soon. Will also comment that the fact Tanya has AoE attacks and can insta-kill Sans by mildly grazing him doesn't help him, tho.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Let's not forget that Sans is a literal genius, in and out of combat, who can dodge without even needing to be aware of what's happening as shown by him dodging Frisk in his sleep, who only managed hit him by cheating and breaking the rules of the game. His teleportation is also gonna make him a bitch and a half to hit, even with AOE, especially when he can teleport Tanya into his attacks and just ragdoll her with his TK. She can't block his attacks either since his shit is all intangible as well.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

True. Hm... So how would Sans Durability-Ignoring stuff work against Tanya's barriers? Like... would it just go pass 'em? If so, wouldn't Sans' attacks one-shot her through the fact that Tanya's base durability is street level? Would it be the same for Sans Telekinesis?

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

True. Hm... So how would Sans Durability-Ignoring stuff work against Tanya's barriers? Like... would it just go pass 'em? If so, wouldn't Sans' attacks one-shot her through the fact that Tanya's base durability is street level? Would it be the same for Sans Telekinesis?

yeah if her dura is only street then sans squishes her the second he does any tk

 

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[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

One issue is she has barriers for defense which is literally for cases like that.

Also forgot to mention. Homing attacks would be the anthithesis to Sans and Illusion Creation is another thing she can do. Also... Would pain manipulation kinda just screw over Sans? Cause I dont' think that even eneds to hit. That just needs Sans to be in the AOE.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

One issue is she has barriers for defense which is literally for cases like that.

Also forgot to mention. Homing attacks would be the anthithesis to Sans and Illusion Creation is another thing she can do. Also... Would pain manipulation kinda just screw over Sans? Cause I dont' think that even eneds to hit. That just needs Sans to be in the AOE.

will the barrier block out tk?

homing attacks could be a problem but sans still could dodge an attack from someone he thought couldnt move while he was fast asleep so its not a huge issue

sans doesnt have any direct pain tolerance feats but he was fully willing to stand in one spot doing nothing with the person he hated the most out of basically anything for the rest of time just to stop them from going anywhere so he should have considerable willpower, how bad is her pain manip and how does she do it

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Would Tanya's pain manip even work on Sans? Like am pretty sure Sans' type 1 inorganic physiology (due to him being a literal skeleton composed of magic) no-sells that completely and utterly. Homing Attacks and Ilusions Creation are things that can heavily screw him over, tho.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

how does she do her pain manip

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

will the barrier block out tk?

homing attacks could be a problem but sans still could dodge an attack from someone he thought couldnt move while he was fast asleep so its not a huge issue

sans doesnt have any direct pain tolerance feats but he was fully willing to stand in one spot doing nothing with the person he hated the most out of basically anything for the rest of time just to stop them from going anywhere so he should have considerable willpower, how bad is her pain manip and how does she do it

Probably not the tk so she can get grabbed if Sans chooses to grab her early.

Willpower is good. Pain manip is different tho.

Would Tanya's pain manip even work on Sans? Like am pretty sure Sans' type 1 inorganic physiology (due to him being a literal skeleton composed of magic) no-sells that completely and utterly. Homing Attacks and Ilusions Creation are things that can heavily screw him over, tho.

Depends since it's neural based or something but I guess that makes sense too.

That said yeah, Homing attacks is the bane. I'm more surprised illusion can work here tho.

how does she do her pain manip

Gonna be honest, I based that pain manip stuff from what I hear in debates. It's my goal to eventually reread the series and attach all reference chapters on the abilities.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Gonna be honest, I based that pain manip stuff from what I hear in debates. It's my goal to eventually reread the series and attach all reference chapters on the abilities.

Respect.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

if its neural based then idk if its going to work, not sure if sans has neurons both because of being made of magic and literally being a skeleton

 

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[JustANormalLemon]

What a debate hum?

I will lwan toward sans trough, intangible atacks, that deal soul damage bigger the more you have killed...

Sans realistically could one shot with his TK and has a really surprising usefull TP that can take the l0li hitl3r surprised, not to mention sans start with his strongh atack... Sooooo...

Even if Tanya can screw sans with AOE, homing atacks and pain manipulation, she would probable die by sans strongh atack in the start of the fight, he would just need to get to the TK part of the atack... Buuuttt


Sinse sans TK is gravity based and Tanya can magic fly, could she just ignorer sans TK?

Untill I'm giving a awnser, voting sans

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

sans' TK has a massive LS advantage over tanya i dont think she can fly out of it

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Fair

 

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[Stillwinston]

Yeah fair, imma vote Mr bad time fra

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Giving it some thought, I'll go for Sans as well.

 

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[ShionAH]

Sans fra