Journey of the Fate Destroying Emperor Discussion Thread

[Rikimarox2]

Started reading this novel, and already at chap 200, its taking my life.

A discussion thread about JotFDE webnovel, whether its about discussing what you liked about the story, feats, calculations, or just anything related to the story in general.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bumpty, would love to see more people who have read this novel.

Here's the sandbox for Wang Wei. It's very barebones, and lacks a **** ton of abilities and layers, and is only till Primordial Spirit. Tho it ain't a problem since I have a pdf of the novel.

That said, even this Sandbox is overpowered as shit, even when we don't add the layers or the plethora of missing abilities.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bumpo

 

[Daoist_Pepe]

I haven't read the novel but if you want find other readers, post your sandbox in the Xianxia and chinamen thread

 

[donegbe]

has how many chapters?

 

[Rikimarox2]

has how many chapters?

About 1100~, and still updating. I'm confident they are at least tier 1.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Nice

 

[NashtarDefying]

Excuse me, has the author recovered?

 

[The_Librarian1500]

Bumpty, would love to see more people who have read this novel.

Here's the sandbox for Wang Wei. It's very barebones, and lacks a **** ton of abilities and layers, and is only till Primordial Spirit. Tho it ain't a problem since I have a pdf of the novel.

That said, even this Sandbox is overpowered as shit, even when we don't add the layers or the plethora of missing abilities.

Have you finished scaling Wang Wei

 

[Rikimarox2]

Have you finished scaling Wang Wei

Unfortunately not. Life got in the way, and I kind of forgot a lot of stuff when I tried to get back into it. That said, I'll probably return to it in the future when I have the energy to revisit 700 chapters. Still, I think everything on the profile is accurate up until the last reference I gave. Granted, I haven't added the AP and stuff yet, but you can kind of know when the peak AP feat happens for any key by just looking at the reference that gets repeated the most in each key (Or references that are close to each other, like 100 and 101, for example).

 

[The_Librarian1500]

Unfortunately not. Life got in the way, and I kind of forgot a lot of stuff when I tried to get back into it. That said, I'll probably return to it in the future when I have the energy to revisit 700 chapters. Still, I think everything on the profile is accurate up until the last reference I gave. Granted, I haven't added the AP and stuff yet, but you can kind of know when the peak AP feat happens for any key by just looking at the reference that gets repeated the most in each key (Or references that are close to each other, like 100 and 101, for example).

I'm keeping up with the story so I know most of the feats but I don't know how to power scale I just know the general stuff or surface level For example if you destroy universe or create one you're universal that type of knowledge

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I can't believe I've read tens chapters of Wang Wei getting tortured.

10/10 Xianxia.

 

[The_Librarian1500]

I can't believe I've read tens chapters of Wang Wei getting tortured.

10/10 Xianxia.

It's a great novel One of the best to be honest

 

[The_Librarian1500]

I can't believe I've read tens chapters of Wang Wei getting tortured.

10/10 Xianxia.

What is the last chapter you have read

 

[Rikimarox2]

I'm keeping up with the story so I know most of the feats but I don't know how to power scale I just know the general stuff or surface level For example if you destroy universe or create one you're universal that type of knowledge

Honestly, abilities are kind of the more important one. Just mention the stuff they do (IE if they kill someone with a stare, mention it. If they have a concept/law/whatever destroying stuff, mention it)

 

[The_Librarian1500]

Honestly, abilities are kind of the more important one. Just mention the stuff they do (IE if they kill someone with a stare, mention it. If they have a concept/law/whatever destroying stuff, mention it)

Wang Wei Can erase people on a conceptual level

 

[The_Librarian1500]

Honestly, abilities are kind of the more important one. Just mention the stuff they do (IE if they kill someone with a stare, mention it. If they have a concept/law/whatever destroying stuff, mention it)

This verse is haxed out
For example

'Ji Lanfang looked at his opponent, ignoring his shocked expression. With one strike, he sliced through him, and this dimension, but Ji Lanfang found himself in the same spot with another Void Mirror Emperor.
'As expected, he placed me in an infinite layer of mirror dimensions, grunted Ji Lanfang. As soon as he appeared in this layer, the Void Mirror Emperor created another void image of Ji Lanfang, stabbing it this time around. Ji Lanfang's extreme senses as a swordsman activated, and he used an ultimate technique: [Backward Time Slash]. His movement was s fast that he broke the restriction of the space- time continuum or the River of Time, traveling a few seconds ago to the period before the Void Image was constructed and the karmic thread connecting them was created.'

 

[The_Librarian1500]

He can create an Infinite number of Universes as a defense against his enemy

 

[The_Librarian1500]

He created an entire multiverse in the palm of his hand

 

[The_Librarian1500]

He can use all laws and concept that exist
But the one he's most proficient with is fate

 

[The_Librarian1500]

There are 13 Tiers of cultivation let us talk about tier 10
Tier 10 Is when a being become a conceptual life for emboding a concept (dao) they cultivated
There is a normal Tier 10 cultivator called the great emperor and a special one called eternal emperor's
So what make eternal emperor special?
It is because of existence
[Existence] is the manifestation of all that represents a person. From [Qi], [Essence], [Spirit], dreams, goals, wills, past, present, future, and even information about them. The concept of [Existence] was created by grafting the Dao of Eternality with other concepts.
Eternal emperors are unkillable.

They cannot die even if you destroy their dao ,soul, body, consciousness,erase them from time, fate, karma, destiny reincarnation

Eternal Emperor: Eternal Emperors comprehend 20% of the Grand Dao Source, cast their Dao Will, and comprehend [Existence]. [Existence Comprehension] allow Eternal Emperor's [Self] to transcend the concepts and limitations of the flesh, of material and even energy.

'As long as the world remembers me, as long as my achievements are known and remembered, as long as one person still knows my name, as long as one piece of paper records my name, I will be eternal–that's the essence of [Existence].'

'Eternal Emperors looked mysterious, but their core is absolute control. To them, their names,memories, and even achievements are an extension of themselves, an extension of their bodies.

'So, even if their bodies, souls, and even Dao Imprints are removed, they can revive themselves.
'' He understood that Eternal Emperors' eternal attribute is also a form of Memetic Power: they exist in the form of memories, words, and even historical events.''

 

[Gaming_Anonymous]

@Rikimarox2 you still working on the sandbox?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Just got back to working on the sandbox from scratch.

There are a couple of interesting things even to the very mortals. For example, souls are NEP type 3 due to both existing and nonexisting, they were called concepts a couple of time, and affecting someone's soul kind of affects them fundamentally. For example, in the Pagoda trials, when Wang Wei's tongue got ripped, he stated that it was also a spiritual aspect of an attack. When he got his tongue ripped off, he quite literally couldn't express himself anymore, and not just physically, but to the point that he lost his determination to express his views, philosophy, ideas, etc... Not sure what that would grant souls in the verse, but it is something.

Additionally, Middle Worlds were stated to be the size of a universe, iirc (Not sure if it was the author or if it was stated directly in the book), so we're getting tier 2 pretty early on.

Also, if the soul is a concept, there were cases where a character could survive even without their body, which might give us insight onto the concept type. Furthermore, in Hongmeng, which existed before the Chaos, everything there exists, including the concepts (Likely implying this is a platonic realm), which might make every concept shenanigan in the verse being type 1. Not to mention the whole "From the five elements, everything came into being".

 

[The_Librarian1500]

1000 middle thousand world is only bigger than a galaxy not a universe

 

[Rikimarox2]

1000 middle thousand world is only bigger than a galaxy not a universe

Could've sworn there was something saying it was universe size. Maybe it was retconned or in the discord, but if there isn't anything saying that or if it just discord QnA, then it will be Galaxy level only.

 

[The_Librarian1500]

Just got back to working on the sandbox from scratch.

There are a couple of interesting things even to the very mortals. For example, souls are NEP type 3 due to both existing and nonexisting, they were called concepts a couple of time, and affecting someone's soul kind of affects them fundamentally. For example, in the Pagoda trials, when Wang Wei's tongue got ripped, he stated that it was also a spiritual aspect of an attack. When he got his tongue ripped off, he quite literally couldn't express himself anymore, and not just physically, but to the point that he lost his determination to express his views, philosophy, ideas, etc... Not sure what that would grant souls in the verse, but it is something.

Additionally, Middle Worlds were stated to be the size of a universe, iirc (Not sure if it was the author or if it was stated directly in the book), so we're getting tier 2 pretty early on.

Also, if the soul is a concept, there were cases where a character could survive even without their body, which might give us insight onto the concept type. Furthermore, in Hongmeng, which existed before the Chaos, everything there exists, including the concepts (Likely implying this is a platonic realm), which might make every concept shenanigan in the verse being type 1. Not to mention the whole "From the five elements, everything came into being".

Emperors level entity are able to casually create infinite universes as a defense

 

[The_Librarian1500]

Could've sworn there was something saying it was universe size. Maybe it was retconned or in the discord, but if there isn't anything saying that or if it just discord QnA, then it will be Galaxy level only.

This is the early chapters maybe he changed it

 

[The_Librarian1500]

Could've sworn there was something saying it was universe size. Maybe it was retconned or in the discord, but if there isn't anything saying that or if it just discord QnA, then it will be Galaxy level only.

1 middle thousand world=galaxy not 1000=galaxy
25,000 DEF
x
1,000 MTW(Galaxy)
===
25,000,000 MTW(Galaxies, so one to one)

not 1000 MTW= 1 galaxy

else its this

25000 x 1 galaxy (= 1,000 MTW) which does not equal 25 million galaxies

 

[Lysairth]

Additionally, Middle Worlds were stated to be the size of a universe, iirc (Not sure if it was the author or if it was stated directly in the book), so we're getting tier 2 pretty early on.

MTWs are just slightly larger galaxy, the rare case of it being mentioned to be larger than universe like you stated should be the one where Wang Wei goes to Heavenly Abode World, which size are nearing that of a GTW, with 5 of the 35 Realms of HAW being larger than any mortal universes.

Not to mention the whole "From the five elements, everything came into being".

Would that give Wuji and Taiji any rating? Since Wuji precedes existence, then Dao gave birth to one, one gave birth to two (which should refer to Yin-Yang), two gave birth to three, and the three gave birth to myriad things.

 

[Rikimarox2]

MTWs are just slightly larger galaxy, the rare case of it being mentioned to be larger than universe like you stated should be the one where Wang Wei goes to Heavenly Abode World, which size are nearing that of a GTW, with 5 of the 35 Realms of HAW being larger than any mortal universes.


Would that give Wuji and Taiji any rating? Since Wuji precedes existence, then Dao gave birth to one, one gave birth to two (which should refer to Yin-Yang), two gave birth to three, and the three gave birth to myriad things.

Didn't know you're into the novel, this is very good. Glad to have you here.

Ah, so maybe that's where my memory is wrong, I guess I thought every MTW was the same size as the HAW.

As for the Wuiji and Taiji, I'm not sure yet. They could be used for the type of concepts of the verse, but as for any ratings yet, I'm not sure. There could be an argument for tier 1 due to how the standards have changed, and considering the Wuji and Taiji are infinite, which in relation to the fact it gave birth to time and space, tier 1 is very likely possiblity. However, iirc, Wuji can either only be the same rating as the elements, Low 1-C (or whatever tier the world is plus one), or Low 1-A/1-A. Even then, I'm not 100% sure and gotta ask around.

 

[Lysairth]

Didn't know you're into the novel, this is very good. Glad to have you here.

Yo, been reading it for quite a while because of someone's review that piqued my interest.

As for the Wuiji and Taiji, I'm not sure yet. They could be used for the type of concepts of the verse, but as for any ratings yet, I'm not sure. There could be an argument for tier 1 due to how the standards have changed, and considering the Wuji and Taiji are infinite, which in relation to the fact it gave birth to time and space, tier 1 is very likely possiblity. However, iirc, Wuji can either only be the same rating as the elements, or Low 1-A/1-A. I don't think anything else between those is likely, due to the standards.

I see, I'm gonna look it up later since I'm currently still at the 634th chapter.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Some more evidence for type 1 concepts is in the trial pagoda, when he fought against the Giant Hand. Although it is still fake, somethings should still be followed from reality, like the world was constructed.

Anyways, when the Great Hand destroyed the entirety of the universe, the Daos were still a thing, since he only then destroyed them. That means that these concepts are independent of the things they create, and therefore are type 1.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Tons of stuff has changed from early chapters compared to later chapters. If you read on onther websites than Qidian's webnovel then the things aren't changed as I remember the author mentioning that he did some revisions.. basically if you read on anything else than qidian its not updated.

But yeah solar sized things become galaxy or universe sized later.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Tons of stuff has changed from early chapters compared to later chapters. If you read on onther websites than Qidian's webnovel then the things aren't changed as I remember the author mentioning that he did some revisions.. basically if you read on anything else than qidian its not updated.

But yeah solar sized things become galaxy or universe sized later.

I checked like a few chapters from the early ones and compared them to the ones from the webnovel site. I haven't really noticed any changes aside from making 3 chapters into one and a few grammar stuff. Other than that, pretty much everything seems the same. Although for the feats I gather, I'll still check the corresponding chapter on webnovel to make sure it isn't changed.

 

[Lysairth]

Anyways, when the Great Hand destroyed the entirety of the universe, the Daos were still a thing, since he only then destroyed them. That means that these concepts are independent of the things they create, and therefore are type 1.

Looking good, especially with how Daos are mentioned to be laws or concepts as well.

The will resisted the mighty power of the Wrath of Heaven for a whole ten minutes. In those ten minutes, the gigantic hand manages to destroy the whole world and all of its billions of lives, then proceeds to destroy the entire universe--just like he did previously.

However, he still could not kill Wang Wei, he could not even slightly injure him. Despite the destruction of the world, despite the annihilation of the universe, despite being a mortal floating in the endless chaos, Wang Wei still looks at the gigantic hand with a calm look on his face for a whole ten minutes. - Ch. 35

Back to the fight, during the confrontation with the Wrath of Heaven, a roar of anger echoes throughout the infinite chaos. The Wrath of Heaven was enraged at the fact that the ant that he should be able to squash at will managed to resist his might to such a degree. This was a great insult.

As such, the gigantic hand decided to increase its power. With the wave of its hand, all the 3000 Dao that make up Heaven and Earth were completely obliterated, the infinite chaos was shattered and the illusory world returned to its origin of nothingness. - Ch. 36

And Dao referred to the laws they cultivate, like the five elements, Yin-Yang, and many more. For example, Wang Wei's path is to be one day free and unfettered, and his Dao is fate. - Ch. 452

"Finally, it's the law–the fundamental concepts that govern realities….” - Ch. 637

And it's also the source of all laws/concepts.

As his comprehension reached the required level, he had no problem condensing his Dao Fruit. Wang Wei could feel his Laws sublimated to a higher level; they became Dao, the source of all Laws. - Ch. 650

 

[Zaratthustra]

I checked like a few chapters from the early ones and compared them to the ones from the webnovel site. I haven't really noticed any changes aside from making 3 chapters into one and a few grammar stuff. Other than that, pretty much everything seems the same. Although for the feats I gather, I'll still check the corresponding chapter on webnovel to make sure it isn't changed.

I see. We'll, I know he mentioned that things were updated to his newer stuff but maybe it was just on his Patreon (maybe just this), and didn't bother on qidian.

Need to continue reading someday...still at ch 926 or so since the chapter dropped.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Made a sandbox for Mortal/Pre-cultivation Wang Wei. Just make sure to ignore every ability that isn't in the Mortal Realm (Ie Divine Sea and above). Additionally, I've added a "Feats" section, and I admit the key itself needs a bit of rework/rewording, like his Young Emperor Aura justification could be cut down significantly, since I can just add the proof to layering in the blog post or if I ever made a Cultivation Profile for the verse.

The only things I'm unsure about rn are the intelligence section, the self-sustenance ability and mayyyybe the AE and NEP. Not sure if the intelligence section is enough for EG or not. Also, obviously, I'm not going to make a key for Body Refining Realm, or maybe even Divine Sea, as the former was only available for like what, 2-3 chapters? While the latter was like, for 6-7 chapters.

Some people might think it's not necessary/needed to make a Mortal Key, but eh, I want my boy to have a 9-C/9-B profile before it all goes down to "Does he resist X hax?" or "Does he have more than X layers of hax?"

 

[Lysairth]

The only things I'm unsure about rn are the intelligence section, the self-sustenance ability and mayyyybe the AE and NEP. Not sure if the intelligence section is enough for EG or not.

AE and NEP shouldn't be able to be added to that stage, especially considering that he has physical body at the time. Also, you should add the Longevity that comes with his Fate Puppeteer Physique that boosted his lifespan by 200y.

I'm not going to make a key for Body Refining Realm, or maybe even Divine Sea

Don't know if these are gonna be of use, but well, here is the list of some abilities from each stage that you haven't added yet

Body Refining :

• Superhuman Physical Characteristics (250,000kg of Strength)
• Durability Negation; Internal
• Longevity (another 200y)

Divine Sea :

• Somewhat infinite energy source
• Kinda non-combat applicable Elemental Manipulation (Fire, Ice, Wood, Water, and Earth)
• Sound Manipulation and Fear Inducement with Overlord Fist
• Acrobatics
• Pseudo-Flight
• Power Nullification with True Will
• Explosion Manipulation
• Enhanced Longevity (300y)
• Energy Manipulation
• Resistance to Heat (500°)

Divine Altar :

• Electricity Manipulation
• NPI to Gravity
• Speed Amplification upto Hypersonic
• Overwhelming and Catastrophe-inducing Aura
• Soul Connecting that allows him to experience whatever the soul of the person he is linked with is experiencing.
• Barrier Creation
• Memory Manipulation
• Luck Manipulation (Capable of granting himself an even greater Supranatural Luck in any world he is in.)

Resistances :

• Regular temperature without any special attributes/natures, hence making him somewhat immune to normal temperature.
• Piercing Attacks (Spatial, Wind, and Metal)

Supernatural :

• Sealing
• Cloning (which acts as a substitute when he's faced with a fatal attack (curse, causality, or reality erasure), hence giving him another life)
• Danmaku (Fire, Electricity, Wind)
• Ice Breath (?), he's able to breathe out a chilling breath that could instantly solidify lava.
• Purification via Cleansing Purifying Flame
• Energy Absorption, Healing, and Regeneration Enhancement via Talent of Life and Death
• Speed Amplification to Hypersonic+ via Rainbow Escape Art
• Fate, History, Law, Power Modification, Memory Manipulation, and Reality Warping via Shackles of Fate (Intangible attack and FTL travel speed)
• Vibration Manipulation via World-Breaking Fist

Resistances :

• Fate Reading and Divination
• Information Analysis
• Death Inducement
• Soul Manipulation (His Paragon Soul can resist most Soul Attacks and destroy anyone who tried to enter his Sea of Consciousness to possess him)

 

[Rikimarox2]

AE and NEP shouldn't be able to be added to that stage, especially considering that he has physical body at the time. Also, you should add the Longevity that comes with his Fate Puppeteer Physique that boosted his lifespan by 200y.



Don't know if these are gonna be of use, but well, here is the list of some abilities from each stage that you haven't added yet

Very good list that'll be pretty helpful, thanks! And yeah, the stages abilities are vastly outdated which is why I said don't bother with them.

As for AE, yeah the law fragments stuff I'm admittedly not sure about so I'll remove it. However, the AE and NEP are mainly for the soul itself rather than Wang Wei's physical body, hence the limited. Saw a few scans with this kind of indexing.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Still trying to add whatever feats I come across while slowly reading the novel (Current at chap 125 I think?). Sadly I have a lot of Uni work so I'm kind of going at a slow pace. That said, I'm also making a blog for just general stuff in the verse (Abilities for realms, feats that Wei does, general cosmology stuff, explaining why concepts are type 1, hopefully showing each level increase is a layer increase, etc...). It's still very WIP, and requires a lot of formatting and other stuff, obviously.

That said, does anyone have a high resolution pic of Wang Wei's profile? The current one is kinda ass, ngl. Additionally, I remember that Void Shattering Cultivators were stated to be 4th dimensional creatures, but I just... don't recall anything supporting it except for that statement?

Also, I'm honestly still not sure if NEP/AE1 is applicable at any stage. Like, souls were stated to be concepts, it was shown that spiritual attacks kinda **** you up (When Wang Wei got his tongue torn in the trials, he lost the way to express his ideals, philosophy, etc...), but then again, I'm not sure if that's enough, or what type it will be, since it is conceptual only for a single being.