Journey of the Fate Destroying Emperor Discussion Thread

[Zaratthustra]

There are later a few statements (or just 1-2) when Wang Wei mentions once again the cultivation realms and explain each, there he mentions how the Void cultivators exhibit such characteristics.

 

[Lysairth]

Regular Law — Type 2 Concept​

1. Law, in its very definition, is the fundamental concepts that govern realities. With fundamental laws being the Dao.

Afterward, the free and unfettered young man rewrote the fundamental laws or Great Dao of the Chaotic Universe. - Ch. 4

"Finally, it's the law–the fundamental concepts that govern realities….” - Ch. 637

2. Law that haven't evolved into Dao are limited to their respective world, meaning they're bound to the reality they governs.

Comprehend the laws until they evolved into Daos. In this stage, cultivators no longer have to adapt to the laws of other worlds before they can use their powers. Ye Dafu was at the peak of this realm. - Ch. 549

And for some, their laws have evolved into Daos, meaning the constraints of the worlds no longer bind them; they can use their Laws anywhere they see fit–for example, the Endless Void–and not have many problems or restraints. - Ch. 553

His theory is if the Heaven Will did not exist in the Chaos Universe, cultivators would have to follow a linear path. First, they would have to comprehend and wield regular laws, which are different for each worlds in the lower dimension. - Ch. 783

Regular Law, as it's name suggest, is your normal law/concept in the verse, with some having difference between each worlds. That includes Karma, Fate, Yin-Yang, Fire, etc.

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Innate Law — Type 2 Concept

1. Innate Laws aren't restricted by Worlds

"As for what is unique about Innate Laws?" continued the old beggar. "I only know that no world can restrict innate Laws."

Wang Wei understood the meaning behind these words.

Every world in every World Communities has slightly different Laws. Cultivators must understand the Laws of Heaven and Heaven in the Void Shattering Realm.

However, the Laws they comprehend are the Laws of the Myriad Emperor World. So, if a Void Shattering Cultivator traveled in the Endless Void, they must take time to adapt to the Laws of other worlds.

This is why Wang Wei had to modify the Divine Runes when he tried to place an array on the sun in the Heavenly Profound Continent. - Ch. 461

2. Innate Laws are the core laws that existed since the birth of Heaven and Earth.

Then, after reaching a particular cultivation stage, they would access Innate Laws, the core laws that have existed since the birth of Heaven and Earth. Innate Laws should be the same for all worlds in the lower dimension. However, they are different from each Chaos World.

Innate law should take people as far as the peak of the Grand Emperor World. So, to become an Empyrean, a cultivator will have to cultivate Primordial Law that governs the Chaos of the entire universe. - Ch. 783

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Primordial Laws — Either Type 1/2

As the name implies, Primordial Laws have existed since the beginning of time, since before the births of Normal and Source Chaos Worlds. By wielding it, cultivators will no longer be limited by their Chaos Worlds and can roam Primordial Chaos, contacting and iterating with primordial species like Fiendgods. - Ch. 783

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Grand Dao Source — Type 1 Concept

I don't think I have to explain this one, since I've talked about the Dao previously.

Finally, to become Paragons, cultivators will have to understand the Grand Dao Source–the origin or source of all laws in the Chaos Universe. - Ch. 783

 

[Lysairth]

Difference between the fundamentality of the River of Fate and the River of Time

Wang Wei teleported to the small world where Wang Ju was recuperating. When he saw her, he squinted. A part of her body was disappearing while the other half tried to prevent this from happening. She was too focused on saving her life that she could not respond to his presence. Luckily, he had access to the formations and did not have to use force.

'Someone or something has erased her time,' analyzed Wang Wei. He could tell someone hit her with an attack that erased part of her past. And if Wang Ju did not have access to some of his Time Laws, she would have ceased to exist by now.

"No, not erase but ate." Wang Wei came closer to analyze the situation. If Wang Ju's time could be represented by a line similar to the Fate Line, the attack took a bit out of her timeline. The attack's purpose could only erase certain events in her life, or it could wipe her out of existence.

Wang Wei raised his hand to manifest his Time Law, trying to fix the gap in Wang Ju's timeline and save her. He failed. He tried again after borrowing the power of his incarnations. No response.

Wang Wei instantly deployed his Domain to surround her and boost his strength. This attempt was also of no use. He then accessed the River of Time, which should contain records of Wang Ju's timeline. He used the records to recreate her timeline and fix the gap.

'What level of Time Dao is this?' His attempt at even using the River of Time failed; this is not something even he can do.

'Fate surpasses time, so let's try that.' He connected to the River of Fate and found Wang Ju's Fate Line. Using the record of her life in the Fate Line, he fixed the part that was eaten. There was great resistance, but he succeeded in the end.

Wang Ju stopped disappearing from reality and opened her eyes. - Ch. 641

As the feats has shown, Fate surpasses time, and the record/history of someone, which is already gone from the River of Time due to being eaten/erased, didn't experience the same thing in their Fate Line inside the River of Fate, with their records remains intact.

Also, an additional opinion from me :
Fate Erasure (truly erasing someone from the River of Fate) -> Fate Severing (disconnecting one's fate from them, hence erasing them from reality) -> History Erasure.

 

[Rikimarox2]

The whole differing laws could also be used to grant Acausality type 4, especially since Karma, Fate, etc... are mentioned. Add on the fact that cultivation is a process of detachment, that'd be another level of Acausality. Pretty neat!

Although for the laws, are we sure that they are dependent as in, destroying the world would destroy the laws, or as in, their area of influence is simply the world, rather than being dependent on it? If it's the latter, I'd assume it would still be type 1, but I gotta check the novel. I'm sure there are instances of worlds being destroyed yet people can still use the laws.

Additionally, what do you think the tiering will be for Emperor/Empyrean tier characters? 2-A? Or is there a potential for tier 1?

 

[Lysairth]

The whole differing laws could also be used to grant Acausality type 4, especially since Karma, Fate, etc... are mentioned. Add on the fact that cultivation is a process of detachment, that'd be another level of Acausality. Pretty neat!

Let's see how that goes.

Although for the laws, are we sure that they are dependent as in, destroying the world would destroy the laws, or as in, their area of influence is simply the world, rather than being dependent on it? If it's the latter, I'd assume it would still be type 1, but I gotta check the novel. I'm sure there are instances of worlds being destroyed yet people can still use the laws.

Hence why I put it as type 2 for the moment, because unless we can prove that laws are also independent just like Dao, it would by default fall into type 2.

Additionally, what do you think the tiering will be for Emperor/Empyrean tier characters? 2-A? Or is there a potential for tier 1?

I'm still quite unsure about 2A, since I haven't reached the part beyond the Tier 10. Though I can tell there is a possibility for tier 1 with how there are multiple occasion where Chaos World where most Empyrean is residing to be stated as Higher Dimension, supported by statements that Void Shattering and above individuals are mentioned to be Higher-Dimensional beings, so yeah.

Feats regarding them :

"If this lad was not a Supreme Outlaw, his accomplishments would still be unimaginable. And if survived, he will probably shake things in the Eternal Ascencion World and maybe even cut off the roots of these parasites."

After saying these words, the Flame Emperor paused as he suddenly had a whim. As higher dimensional creatures, his whims were not for no reason. So, his eyes suddenly changed to contain space and time.

He no longer perceived time as one-dimensional or linear but experienced all of it at once: past, present, and future. That way, he can calculate the reason for his whim.

After seeing countless futures and possibilities, Flame Emperor began to deduce the truth. And right he was about to succeed, he felt an instinctive fear: the fear of death. - Ch. 372

Logically speaking, Void Shattering Realm and above cultivators should be considered True 4th Dimensional Beings or higher. So, they should not experience time in a linear faction, but they do–unless they comprehend the Laws of Time. - Ch. 476

Void Shattering Realms and above cultivators are considered pseudo Conceptual Beings, so analyzing their genetic structures is not easy. - Ch. 486

In the upper dimension, time is both useless and the most valuable thing. These immortal cultivators do not have to worry about their lifespan; however, they have to spend a ridiculous amount of time cultivating.

So, Time Acceleration Formation is the solution to their problem. Unfortunately, as higher beings, they have a resistance to mortal-level time-related formations or abilities. - Ch. 522

"Emperor and Dao Childs are born immortal; the moment they are conceived, they do not have to worry about life span–unless their parents sealed them."

"That made sense," commented Wang Wei. After all, they were born from two immortal beings or higher-dimensional creatures. "What about Immortal Childs?" - Ch. 534

Unfortunately, things are not finished after surviving all these things. Cultivators will undergo a period of weakness and experience immense pain after sealing their power; it is the price of once again becoming a mortal after ascending to immortality, the price of reducing their status as higher dimensional creatures. - Ch. 675

He once theorized about the changes cultivators would undergo during the cultivation journey. In the early stages, from Body Refining to Primordial Spirit Realm, cultivators turned themselves from flesh and blood creatures to Energy Lifeforms.

Before the Primordial Spirit Realm, cultivators could be considered half-flesh and half-energy creatures. However, after condensing their Primordial Spirit, they can abandon their body and live as 'spirits' or complete energy creatures.

From the Void Shattering Realm to the Great Emperor Realm, cultivators transformed from Energy Lifeforms to Conceptual Lifeforms. They existed in a higher dimension where they could not only control different concepts and ideas, but they were the embodiment of these concepts.

"A better name would be Dao Body Embryo," he commented. As long the embryo is baptized by the Grand Dao Source, it will turn into a true Dao or Emperor Body. - Ch. 736

 

[Orioreeem]

Glad people continued to work on this novel. I'd like to add, discuss and raise a few concerns here as well(abilities wuji taiji tiering) so there will be some spoilers.

1. Would the novel be allowed on wiki considering author knows about it?
2. Mind soul and spirit are stated to be the same thing
3. Emperors are tier 2, high level ones are 2-A, Empyreans are massively higher, paragons can affect upper dimension which is clearly Low 1-C so there is that, Half-Transcendence are higher into it probably 1-C and above but I don't think even Transcendence would be 1-A or above

Spoiler: 1-A concerns and Wuji

Concepts would generally be type 1 by our standards, but Wang Wei destroyed concept of Yin-Yang in the surrounding area which proves that those concepts are divisible and aren't one whole throughout all of reality which means that you can't get 1-A via transcending concepts of space and time.
Wuji and Taiji are definitely described as the real things but in the new tiering system Taiji is High 1-A and Wuji is 0 but the Hongmeng is above that as well so it's a question where that would then scale, not to mention even Wang Wei's nothingness is that of Wuji which means he would be tier 0 in that state. Even Transcendence are bound by the rules of Hongmeng (expect 5 supreme beings) and to reach their level I think you are needed to reach perfect foundations in lower states of cultivations(as low as stage one) so a lot of these things seem to contradict 1-A no matter the evidence presented for it.

Also really interested into plot of Grand Dao, Cardinals and Cthulhu, and how Two Suns and Eight Moons are also really weak compared to really strong cultivators in their realms which means we are yet to see the full extend of what actual strong people are capable there. It also reminds me we will also need profiles for

Spoiler: Spoilers

Half-T and T Wang Wei because he is constantly being protected by one of them. Tho even more profiles wouldn't be bad either.

Here are my two cents, would like to talk about these things if people are willing

 

[Orioreeem]

Also you can get layers for abilities if they can affect multiple people that have resistance to that hax and if you can then focus that hax on an individual, so someone who is currently powerscaling the novel, should pay attention to these types of stuff. We can also discuss other scans.

 

[Rikimarox2]

1. Would the novel be allowed on wiki considering author knows about it?

Pretty sure it's fine. We're not some super small community anymore, so it's not surprising that people know about us.

Spoiler

Also from the very few things I remember about HT and T, I'd say Low 1-A is possible. If it is divisible, iirc, you can't get 1-A but low 1-A is still a thing.



As for Wuji and all that other stuff, I gotta reach those parts again since it's been forever since I read it. Also I'm going pretty slow due to Uni and the fact I'm trying to gather scans for everything for the blog.

Also you can get layers for abilities if they can affect multiple people that have resistance to that hax and if you can then focus that hax on an individual, so someone who is currently powerscaling the novel, should pay attention to these types of stuff. We can also discuss other scans.

I wasn't sure about this yet, although there was an instance of it being portrayed as ridiculous/powerful if someone can affect a lot of people at once. Like Herd Rising girl that controlled all the demonic beasts in the Warring Kingdom World, WW and others were shocked that she could control that many since only people with high cultivation could do that iirc, indicating that affecting more requires more power. Altho at the end it was just her bloodline or smth.

Though I still need to check more scans and see if that's actually the case or if they were just talking about range.

 

[Orioreeem]

Yea I also think Low 1-A is possible, it's just unfortunate that there is a lot of stuff that would generally qualify for tiers 1-A - 0 yet all seem to be contradicted in one way or another

 

[Rikimarox2]

It's fine, I don't think tier 0 is possible either way, but 1-A might be, depending on Hongmeng, and the whole transcending time and space shenanigans. I'm still not sure about the divisible concept stuff so I gotta check it myself, but I think 1-A is possible, not just low 1-A.

Also, let's talk about hax because this is where the verse truly shines, I believe. There are also quite a bit of layers even before we suggest the whole "Each level up is a layer".

The NEP for Wuji is nuts, the soul shenanigans are pretty good too, and there is a chance that souls are conceptual considering they were called that a multiple times, but then again it's likely not meant to be a literal concept.

Then there's the whole fate stuff being above normal history erasure, etc... the verse is nuts. The only strong abilities they are lack are like plot manip and info type 2 (Well, till Existence becomes a thing).

 

[Orioreeem]

You think Existence stuff could qualify for info type 2? I didn't see any subjective reality feats as well, but those domains are insane, WW Young Emperor is also stated to be akin to it so I wonder if it should also have CM and Law properties of the Saint level domain stuff. He later on also gains Dao Immunity which could probably be a bunch of resistances as well. They are also super hard to kill, like needing to destroy their fate and causality and a lot of other things to truly kill them but it makes me wonder if all of that is kind useless because logically speaking just being able to destroy concepts would be enough to destroy your fate and causality.

 

[Rikimarox2]

You think Existence stuff could qualify for info type 2? I didn't see any subjective reality feats as well, but those domains are insane, WW Young Emperor is also stated to be akin to it so I wonder if it should also have CM and Law properties of the Saint level domain stuff. He later on also gains Dao Immunity which could probably be a bunch of resistances as well. They are also super hard to kill, like needing to destroy their fate and causality and a lot of other things to truly kill them but it makes me wonder if all of that is kind useless because logically speaking just being able to destroy concepts would be enough to destroy your fate and causality.

Maybe, or maybe I'm wrong about how info type 2 works. I'll check it when I reach it.

Maybe in other verses, but here, fate surpasses time and stuff, and causality is kind of nuts here. Not to mention that Emperors already have resistance to history erasure stuff so it's gonna be pretty darn hard to actually kill them.

Also, the verse mentioned Retro-Causal Quantum Theory stuff, I wonder if this effects anything tiering/hax wise?

 

[Rikimarox2]

The concept of Array Virus was actually based on Wang Wei's past life. When he was studying Array or Formation, he discovered that runes were similar to computer code--which could be used to code reality itself. - Ch. 235

"This method not only made up for my lack of talent in soul power, but it also dramatically increased my affinity for runes. When I blended into Heaven and Earth, I entered an entire world made only of runes. From the soil in the ground, to the trees in the forest, to the blowing wind in the air, everything was made of runes. It was truly magical." - Ch. 59

Runes might be info type 2, honestly. Though, whether they are useful as offensive options, I'm not sure. But at least we got something.

 

[Orioreeem]

Yea seems like a pretty clear type 2. Existence stuff would scale to this and runes would be lower then concepts so we have some hierarchy stuff between abstraction going on too

 

[Rikimarox2]

Also, for Subjective Reality, this might qualify;

One of the reasons that he is so famous was not only because of his power but his interesting origin. Back in the Incense Era, one Great Emperor tried to destroy one of the Forbidden Land, but was failed and was injured instead.

To recuperate from his injury, he entered a deep slumber. And during that slumber, the Great Emperor started to dream. Of course, as a higher being, his dream was not a normal one, so it affected the entire area that he was sleeping, turning it into his dream. -Ch 257

 

[Lysairth]

Do any of you have the pdf/epub/sites of JotFDE novel where it doesn't bug (text missing, not formatted, etc.)?

I know Webnovel does, but it'd take so long for the chapters to catch up to where I'm at

 

[Rikimarox2]

Do any of you have the pdf/epub/sites of JotFDE novel where it doesn't bug (text missing, not formatted, etc.)?

I know Webnovel does, but it'd take so long for the chapters to catch up to where I'm at

I got the PDF from Lightnovel pub(.pro) site, and I'm like at chapter 300 and haven't really noticed any missing text. Besides some grammar issues, everything seemed fine.

Could be that you are reading an older version? Some sites like novel(hall) are pretty outdated, since they still have chapter 10-12 separated, when Sage fused them later down the line. You can check it by just checking chapter 10 and see if the title has (3 in 1) thing, since back then that didn't exist.

I do occasionally check the webnovel page for feats I found on other sites, just to make sure there isn't a rewrite or smth. Granted I haven't done that with every chapter since Webnovel coin system sucks massive balls, but I don't think there's that much of a change.

 

[Lysairth]

I got the PDF from Lightnovel pub(.pro) site, and I'm like at chapter 300 and haven't really noticed any missing text. Besides some grammar issues, everything seemed fine.

The problem only start to become noticable by around Ch. 500 and above it. Ch. 700-800 losing some text or some sentences were overlapped by another sentence, Ch. 800-900 have missing text and barrier-like error thingy.

Could be that you are reading an older version? Some sites like novel(hall) are pretty outdated, since they still have chapter 10-12 separated, when Sage fused them later down the line. You can check it by just checking chapter 10 and see if the title has (3 in 1) thing, since back then that didn't exist.

I've, and both sites with old and new update doesn't have any difference. At the point where I have the problem, even the new one has it aswell.

I do occasionally check the webnovel page for feats I found on other sites, just to make sure there isn't a rewrite or smth. Granted I haven't done that with every chapter since Webnovel coin system sucks massive balls, but I don't think there's that much of a change.

Thing is, I'm at Ch. 900+ as of now, and Webnovel seems to be the only normal one.

 

[Rikimarox2]

The problem only start to become noticable by around Ch. 500 and above it. Ch. 700-800 losing some text or some sentences were overlapped by another sentence, Ch. 800-900 have missing text and barrier-like error thingy.


I've, and both sites with old and new update doesn't have any difference. At the point where I have the problem, even the new one has it aswell.


Thing is, I'm at Ch. 900+ as of now, and Webnovel seems to be the only normal one.

Is stuff like a sentence being cut off suddenly and continued at the paragraph below it one of the issues? I checked like Ch. 915 and noticed that sentences were cut off.

I tried reading at a site called mvlempyr (Yes, it's called that), and it was the only one that didn't have the cut off compared to other websites. Try it out and read the chapters that were cut off/bugged there, and see if it is fixed.

 

[Lysairth]

Is stuff like a sentence being cut off suddenly and continued at the paragraph below it one of the issues? I checked like Ch. 915 and noticed that sentences were cut off.

Yeah.

I tried reading at a site called mvlempyr (Yes, it's called that), and it was the only one that didn't have the cut off compared to other websites. Try it out and read the chapters that were cut off/bugged there, and see if it is fixed.

I've just checked it out and it's surprisingly a website that I used to know, and it didn't have any of the bug as far as I remember those error from some chapters I've read. Thanks a lot!

 

[Rikimarox2]

BTW if anyone wants the EPUB for the novel from the new site, you can just ask me on Discord (In my about section on my profile). Albeit I only did from chapter 290 to chapter 1300, since I didn't need the chapters before that. Downloading the EPUB from the site was a pain in the ass ngl.

Additionally, for Wang Wei's NEP, chances are that he gets NEP2, and probably all types. Since, well, it turns him, his soul (and in extension, his mind), his fate, history, concept (?) non-existent, and considering how Runes are everywhere, and yet he managed to become non-existent to everything including Laws (which are more abstract), chances are Info type 2 is also included. Although I'll need to gather every single mention of the ability since it's pretty important, and there's potential for even layers, considering it has stages.

 

[Rikimarox2]

As Li Jun watched the armor around the Death God, although he was a little surprised, in general, things did not change much. With the Armor Law, a Void Shattering would be immune to most non-Law related attacks. So, even if thousands of Primordial Spirit attacked them at the same time, it would not cause them any damage. Nevertheless, there is still a limit. As long as an attack reached a certain level, it can still be broken. - Ch. 328

I wonder If I should just index this as Invulnerability, or something else, like mention that all the things prior to Void Shattering Realm (With a few exceptions) cannot affect/damage them. Additionally, the whole "as long as an attack reaches a certain level, it can break it" stuff, it seems more so along the line of reaching the Law Breaking level, rather than actual AP stuff, since Li Jun wanted to use an attack at the level of Void Shattering Realm to break it, which is coincidentally also the realm where laws can be broken via sheer strength. Although it could also just be Raw AP, idk, but considering the "Law" in the name, eh...

Also, there is a high likelihood that, at least, every realm is a layer in terms of potency.

The moment that the Fire King's connection to his god was broken, the Shadow quickly used his Divine Sense to search his soul. The so-called True Gods were nothing but Supernatural Realm cultivators, as such, with the Shadow's cultivation at the Divine Body Realm, it was quite easy to search this guy's soul. - Ch. 304

It was stated that due to the cultivation realm of the Shadow, it was easy to search a Supernatural Realm cultivator, directly attributing it to his cultivation realm.

A few seconds ago, he received a cultivation technique that allowed him to absorb the baleful aura in this place to increase the strength of his Primordial Spirit. Once his Primordial Spirit increases in strength, it will be easier for him to understand the laws between Heaven and Earth. Additionally, his soul will be more resistant to spiritual attack and interference.

This is another feat where it states that by increasing the strength of your Primordial Spirit, you become more resistant to spiritual attacks. Kind of common sense that more strength equals more resistance but not every verse is like that so we need to mention it in order to get layers. Keep in mind this is right after the Cultivator was affected by an aura that corrodes his spirit/soul. Additionally, keep in mind that, starting at the Divine Altar Stage, cultivators focus on cultivating the mind and the spirit;

One of the reasons that the Divine Altar Realm is difficult to enter is due to the fact that cultivators stopped focusing on the body, and focused more on cultivating the mind and spirit. - Ch. 78

So, chances are that any spiritual attack can be resisted as long as you are a realm above, at most. Although there are instances where people in the same realm but different levels can resist the attack of a lower one. Or where it's harder to affect the cultivator of the same realm.

Additionally, I found some interesting things about the creation of world, or at least, those that are artificially created:

Spoiler

In the Endless Void outside of the Myriad Emperor World, two people were floating in the empty space: these two people were Yan Chen and Ji Han, the Dao Protectors of Wang Wei and Ji Song.
They each took out a black stone the size of a basketball. The stone had slight space fluctuation. Under their control, the two stones fused together, thus becoming twice its original size.

Following this, the two raised their hands and mobilized the Power of Law from their bodies and infused it into the stone. Soon, the stone started to rapidly grow; to be precise, a world slowly started to grow. A few days later, the two True Monarchs looked at the new world in front of them with satisfaction.

"It seems that we were able to make full advantage of the Void Stone since the world grew to the size of a Middle Thousand World," said Ji Han.
"True, but it may not hold enough for their battle," replied Yan Chen. "That's indeed a problem. In that case, let's connect this Artificial World to the Myriad Emperor World. That way, the space will be more stable and be able to heal itself. No matter what damage they do during the fight, it won't be a problem."

Agreeing with this proposition, Yan Chen helped accomplish the task. Next, they added the finishing touch to the world. After all, this newly created world was in a state of chaos.
There was no life, the entire earth was mostly lava and steam, the clouds were dark, there was no forest or mountains, and the air was not breathable. Yan Chen wanted to leave it, given the eventual fate of this world, but Ji Han was adamant about making it livable to even mortals, although they did not place any living organism in it. The process took them an entire month. After it was complete, they quickly finished the final step which was to place formations around this world. - Ch. 265

Meanwhile, after arriving on the battlefield, Wang Wei instantly felt Ji Song's aura at the center. However, he did not immediately go to meet him. Instead, he surveyed the surrounding environment of this world.

He discovered that it was a very primitive world full of forest, mountains, rivers, oceans, and many more. He also noticed the large amount of volcanoes and the fact that the gravity of this world was abnormal. He sneered after making this discovery. One thing that Wang Wei also noticed, or should say felt, was that this world was weird compared to the Myriad Emperor World, or even the Warring Kingdom World. It was like it was incomplete, like the Laws that governed this world were missing a few things. - Ch. 265

The Monarchs made a new world for Ji Song and Wang Wei, and they used the Power of Law to create it. Even though the World was still lacking a ton of things, the laws were able to continue its creation. This is further shown when Wang Wei stated that the world was incomplete and the laws that governed it were missing a few things, indicating that the laws were in fact made by the Monarchs, and since the laws were there even before the world was created fully, it might show something about its independence. Not sure, though, concepts are kind of annoying.

 

[Lysairth]

Ain't gonna talk about those layer thingy, but what's for sure is that, each great realms brought great change as there are multiple occasion where higher-realm cultivators can slaughter quite the massive number of lower-level ones.

And even more obvious with Old Origin System that by general increased strength (Body Refining and Divine Body stage), soul and spirit (Divine Altar, Supernatural, and Primordial Spirit stage), law (Void, Saint, Supreme, and Quasi-Emperor).

Spoiler

Spoiler

It's just the nature of MTW

As a Middle Thousand Worlds, most of the Laws were incomplete, so the process did not take that long. So, after adjusting, Wang Wei acted. - Ch. 461

Unfortunately, unlike the Laws of Fate which are easier to comprehend because of his physique and the River of Fate, it is complicated to understand other laws in Middle Thousand Worlds.

And that's because the Laws are incomplete; hence, Void Shattering Realm cultivators cannot appear in this world so easily and have to ascend to higher realms to cultivate. - Ch. 486

Cuz by the standard, other Laws/Concepts are created after the world, further shown by Wang Wei's feats of creating a Quasi-HWW.

"Yes, your Swordsmanship World," replied Wang Wei. He spent a great deal of effort in creating this world. The first step was creating a world using Space-Time Dao before using Fate Dao as its core to evolve all 3800 Main Dao, creating a complete world. - Ch. 933

 

[Lysairth]

Some information

Spoiler: Soul

These feats below won't qualify as some form of NEP, as it's just metaphorical statements.

The soul is an illusory yet real thing in the world of cultivators. The soul is a hundred times more fragile and sensitive than the physical body. As such, the pain to the soul can magnify a hundred to a thousand times of the body. - Ch. 13

It can further be seen here, by the statement "before cultivating", and we know that cultivators got tons of abilities regarding soul.

Before cultivating, the soul is both a real and non-existent thing; it exists in a spiritual plane where reality and fantasy meet. However, these two swordsmen–using only their skills and no cultivation–can touch this place of existence and non-existence with their swords. - Ch. 727

And from this one, it can be deduced that Soul is just your metaphysical thing, not an actual Concept.

Afterward is the Soul Sword or Mind Sword. In this realm, the swordsmen's attacks are no longer limited to physical aspects and can touch ethereal or nonreal concepts like the soul. - Ch. 728

Just because it said concept, doesn't mean it would automatically qualify as Concept by our standard.

Spoiler: Abstract Existence

Beings who embody an abstraction, can't be hurt by abilities that comes from it.

[Darkness Slash]

Ao Shen made a chopping motion, generating a slash containing dark power. With this one attack, the space of this battlefield was separated into two. And if he did not take the corresponding action, Xiao Songxi knew his fate would be the same.

So, he once again absorbed the attack. However, to his horror, he discovered this attack reached 4-Leaf and was beyond his peak 2-Leaf Strength. So, he absorbed as much as he could, increasing his power to 3-Leaf.

Then, he redirected the rest of the energy back to his opponent.

"I am the embodiment of darkness. Do you think you can harm me with my own attack?" said Ao Shen as he gazed at the black slash headed toward him. The attack did not even touch him as it disintegrated. - Ch. 767

More regarding Concept shown by Huo Fenghuang's Killing Heaven Law that is capable of absorbing the Immortal Killing Qi which is made up of Immortal Qi and Killing Qi. Showing that a Concept can use the object they governs as a nourishment.

The character for [killing] manifested in the sky with a bright red color. Then, without hesitation, he slashed his sword. A white light enveloped the world as a terrifying sword energy emanated from the sword.

Subsequently, the Flame Phoenix instantly turned into trillions of perfectly cut pieces.

"Kill," said Jian Sha, manifesting the second character. He slashed his sword a second time, condensing a massive amount of Immortal Killing Qi. Huo Fenghuang raised her hand to summon her Killing Heaven Law. Her palm easily absorbs the technique, even using it as nourishment. - Ch. 922

And that would automatically scales to Great Emperor stage beings and above it.

After proving the Dao, people who cultivate as Qi Refiners and Body Refiners are an anomaly or a paradox. Great Emperors are essentially Conceptual Creature, their bodies composed of the very concept they cultivate.- Ch. 907

Spoiler: Dao Imprint

The Dao Imprint of Great Emperors—their source of reliant Immortality—is located in the Grand Dao Source.

Battles between Emperors are not simple and must follow certain rules to ensure survival. The first and main one is never to allow your opponent to keep possession of your body. Great Emperors are eternal, so they can revive themselves as long as their Dao Imprints remain attached to the Grand Dao Source.

Is not easy to find nor discover, as even if both Emperors fight, one without Dao Will (Immortality type 8 Negation) or Will Manifestation—which is the ability to somewhat alter things, such as destroying the indestructible—would need to possess their enemies body, then locating their Dao Imprint through it and seal it then wait for time to wear them out, which would take countless Yuan Epochs.

The Dao Imprint has its own protective mechanism in the form that is not easy to discover or remove in the Grand Dao Source. There are two ways to remove it: use Dao Will or Will Manifestation, or use sealing methods and the passage of time to wash it out.

However, these two methods hinged on the fact that Dao Imprints can be discovered. Normal Great Emperors must use their opponent's bodies to access their Dao Imprint before sealing it and using countless Yuan Epochs to remove it from the Grand Dao Source, thus effectively killing their enemy.

Otherwise, searching for an adversary's Dao Imprint is like searching for a single drop of water in a vast ocean.

Can easily be found by Dao of Karma, Divination, Yin-Yang Calculations, and Heaven.

However, certain Daos like Karma, Divination, Yin-Yang Calculations, and Heaven are very effective in finding the Dao Imprints. So, after knowing his target had control over Karma Dao, the Hidden Shadow Emperor knew his fate was sealed.

Even if he destroyed his body, the latter could find his Dao Imprint through the karmic connection they had after trying to assassinate him.

More proof regarding Dao Imprint being inside the Grand Dao Source.

Wang Wei put these materials away as the Grand Dao Source manifested before him, still looking like a river made of chains of different sizes. A karma thread emanated from his body, connected to a specific chain with a rune or symbol on it.

He used his Dao Will to remove the symbol, signaling the Hidden Shadow Emperor was truly dead, with no chance of reviving. - Ch. 939

 

[Rikimarox2]

Some information

Spoiler: Soul

These feats below won't qualify as some form of NEP, as it's just metaphorical statements.

It can further be seen here, by the statement "before cultivating", and we know that cultivators got tons of abilities regarding soul.

And from this one, it can be deduced that Soul is just your metaphysical thing, not an actual Concept.

Just because it said concept, doesn't mean it would automatically qualify as Concept by our standard.

Yeah, thought so. I put both of them there in case some other soul info gets shown, but chances are, they are just normal soul stuff. I recall some possible abstraction about souls in the later chapters, but I might be mixing between another novel.

As for the Grand Dao Source, do remind me since I'm still at chapter 360, but is the source located at the Grand Dao itself (the being), or is it a location inside of the cultivator or smth? If the former, then their immortality would be considered smurf, most likely.

Additionally, would we classify Fate Erasure as Fate Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, and Existence erasure, or is there something else we can classify it as?

 

[Lysairth]

As for the Grand Dao Source, do remind me since I'm still at chapter 360, but is the source located at the Grand Dao itself (the being), or is it a location inside of the cultivator or smth? If the former, then their immortality would be considered smurf, most likely.

Haven't encountered it yet, I'll tell you when I have.

Additionally, would we classify Fate Erasure as Fate Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, and Existence erasure, or is there something else we can classify it as?

I think that's all there is to it, cuz by the latest chapter that I've read, Fate Erasure has only shown the capability of:

• Making Fate to be turbulent/unstable.
• Erasing someone from reality by erasing them from the River of Fate, which scales to Fate Severing and Karma Severing.

 

[Rikimarox2]

After closing his eyes, Wang Wei connected his Divine Sense with the pill. Using the engraved runes, he began to feel the power of law and guide them.
According to years of studying, cultivators have concluded that divine runes are a physical manifestation of the rules of Heaven and Earth, of the law. Normally, Law is invisible, unnoticeable, unreal, and indescribable. However, through divine runes, the Law can become a physical and observable concept. - Ch.369

Pretty interesting info about... info type 2 of the verse. Assuming we accept Divine Runes as type 2, then I believe any person who can control Laws should be pretty much manipulating Info type 2 as well, since Divine Runes are info type 2, and they are just the laws but like, an actual manifestation of it, then Laws, Daos, etc... will be, Law, Concept, and Info all at once, I think. I'm honestly not sure.

All that's left is plot manipulation.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Normally, after this process, cultivators would gather the power of Good fortune in their flame to shape their soul into a human form that resembled them. They will gather all their memories, emotions, ideas, philosophies, and spirit and combines them with the soul and the power of Good fortune to sublimate it into something new, something better: the Primordial Spirit. - Ch. 388

I don't assume this is just purely metaphorical, considering stuff like emotions and memories are very much real stuff characters can manipulate, among other things? Not to mention, there is this right after:

After Wang Wei finally melted his soul, he did not immediately begin the process of instilling his emotions and so on. He never wanted an ordinary Primordial Spirit.

Implying that they are actually instilling it into their primordial spirit, and not just speaking in a metaphorical sense. Though there was the whole heart devil and the physical manifestation of them, so I'm not sure what the P. Spirit would exactly be, but I think it'd still be AE.

I recall asking about this before, and from what I gathered, this could qualify as Abstract Existence type 1 for P. Spirit, and it'd be pretty darn good for the verse since not that many verses can interact with all those shenanigans all at once.

 

[Orioreeem]

Wasn't it also stated that their body is fused with P spirit or something like that? What i want to say is that their body should also get AE1

 

[Rikimarox2]

Wasn't it also stated that their body is fused with P spirit or something like that? What i want to say is that their body should also get AE1

That's for Wang Wei, and even then, I'm not sure if his body would be AE1, considering how the verse kind of treats them as two distinct things, where Wang Wei mentions that even if his body got destroyed, as long as his Primordial Spirit remained, he can regenerate/revive, implying they are not the same but merely connected;

Once the baptism was finished, Wang Wei immediately knew the benefit of this. The advantage of his [True Primordial Spirit]--as he called it--is that as long as one of the spirit particles is intact, he can revive himself with the right amount of resources.

Or if it is destroyed, as long as his body is intact, since they are connected, he can recreate his Primordial Spirit. In order words, to kill Wang Wei, you have to destroy instantly destroy his fleshly body and Primordial Spirit. - Ch. 388

Though, maybe a possibly AE1 is... well, possible. I'm not sure, I gotta read more chapters to know for sure.

Additionally, surely Eternal Emperors have High-Godly regen and Immo type 8, no? They can regenerate even if their body, soul/mind, and Daos were destroyed, as long as a piece of paper that has their name remains;

"This understanding is the reason that Eternal Emperors are so difficult to kill. As long as their name is written on a single piece of paper, they still exist and can be revived even if their bodies, souls, and Daos are annihilated." - Ch. 411

Not to mention, they are conceptual entities;

After proving the Dao, people who cultivate as Qi Refiners and Body Refiners are an anomaly or a paradox. Great Emperors are essentially Conceptual Creature, their bodies composed of the very concept they cultivate.- Ch. 907

And then there's the fact that Dao is Law, Concept, and (Possibly) Info, that means their High-Godly would cover all of this except for History Erasure. But then again considering how characters far, far below them can erase people from History and Fate, and they specifically need Duyi Will to permanently kill them, chances are that simply History Erasure is not enough to stop them.

 

[Orioreeem]

I mean if character has a History and Fate erasure along the normal body, soul/mind and Dao(law concept and info) erasure and is stated that he can't kill a great Emperor, then logically their regen should cover history and fate as well