Journey of the Fate Destroying Emperor Discussion Thread

[Rikimarox2]

Finally finished with my exams, and I've done pretty darn well at them. I can finally continue the novel again.

From the Supreme Realm and upwards, Cultivators should probably have Concept Type 1 (The includes Primordial Laws, and anything above Supreme Realm shenanigans):

He had no problem condensing his Dao Fruit. Wang Wei could feel his Laws sublimated to a higher level; they became Dao, the source of all Laws. - Ch. 650

Additionally, there are more proofs on Fate > Time, from his Mortal Dust;

From the 60th life, the group focused on using the power of time to deal with the situation. They concentrated on mastering its power to escape the Time Loop. Unfortunately, they could not comprehend how it operated.

So, they tried a different strategy: escape into the past or the future. The travel to the past was to see whether they could find any information on how Wang Wei became entangled in that Time Loop. Furthermore, they wanted to know what would happen if the two of them existed.

Unfortunately, this attempt was futile. They did not find any new information, nor did anything change after Wang Wei met his younger self. When his future body turned 35, an accident occurred, and he died.

Then, they proceeded on their voyage to the future. The year that Wang Wei always died was 2136. So, the group wanted to know what would happen if they traveled beyond that year.

Nothing occurred. And when his biological age reached 35, Wang Wei died. - Ch. 648

And just additional proof that Souls and Consciousness/Mind are the same thing/one inside the other, if there was a need for more proof:

Wang Wei's group theorized the further evolution of the Higher Consciousness in Fifth and above Genetic Warriors would allow humans to transfer their consciousness into another body, abandoning the flesh and becoming pure consciousness creatures; to become soul creatures. - Ch. 648

So, Concept Type 1 for Supreme Realm and above, Wang Wei's fate shenanigans are gonna be hard to deal with (More Fundamental/Surpasses Time), and Soul shenanigans are gonna be pretty good considering soul also contains stuff like lifeforce, so they'd get unconventional resistances to some things. Not sure if it is applicable pre-Supernatural Realm, though.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

How powerful is 100% Dao Comprehension cultivators?

 

[Rikimarox2]

How powerful is 100% Dao Comprehension cultivators?

Very powerful.

You're welcome

No but seriously, I'm not sure yet. We know Paragons, if not for Grand Dao, could easily toy with the river of time as if it was nothing, are considered so far above emperor it's not even funny, and considering how Wang Wei could create worlds and stated to be "dimensional layers, and each lower one going above", they're very easily tier 1.

Their lowest starting range is Low 1-C, no doubt. It's only uphill from there. Not to mention that Void Shattering Realm was stated to be "4th Dimensional and above", and considering Paragons are so far above them, Low 1-C is the lowest possible one, can't ever go below that.

As for Half-Transcendence dudes... Well, it was stated that each step is bigger difference than a Peak Paragon and a normal ant, and considering how cultivation allows one to become higher dimensional (Void Shattering Realm), yeah...

Transcendence though is probably Low 1-A. Maybe even 1-A depending on how they explain it.

Keep in mind though I'm going purely off of snippet I got and memory, so they're probably much stronger than I mentioned. I need to reach it first (I think it's around chap 1000~? I'm at 650 rn).

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Nep type 3 body?

The Dharma Body is the physical manifestation of a cultivator's Dao; it's both real and unreal. So, condensing requires very subtle manipulation of the law, which is something he excelled at. However, it also needed more time than he anticipated.

-Chapter 735

 

[Rikimarox2]

Nep type 3 body?

-Chapter 735

Probably metaphorical. This was also mentioned in Ch. 650 I think, but from what I got, it seems more-so referring to the fact that Dharma Bodies are just a manifestation of their Dao and stuff, ie they aren't physical stuff in a sense. So, real because they can affect anything, unreal because they aren't physical and are just manifestation.

It could be NEP 3 too, but I'm leaning more on the former. Really depends on how you interpret it.

 

[Lysairth]

From the Supreme Realm and upwards, Cultivators should probably have Concept Type 1

Well, technically it is. With Dao being type 1 Concept, and Grand Dao Source as Daos Source is a Greater Type 1 Concept, more to it, Grand Dao also have the natural suppressing effect to Dao.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Greater Acausality type 4.

The next fusion was with the Karma Incarnation. Wang Wei watched as the latter tried to be detached or transcend the shackles of karma.

After many unsuccessful attempts, the Karma Incarnation chose to create a River of Karma and fuse with the Karma of all living things, thus becoming the source of Karma. With this method, he was no longer bound by any karmic debts or restraints.

"I have a feeling this experience will be extremely beneficial to me later on," he muttered before checking the changes.

This incarnation fused with the River of Karma he created, so Wang Wei's Unbound Karma Physique further sublimated after the fusion. He now had the karmic resistance of a Great Emperor, meaning he could slaughter hundreds of Heaven Will World and not be affected by Karmic Sins.

Chapter 737

 

[Rikimarox2]

Although It's a bit weird with laws and stuff, considering Wei can beat the living hell out of supreme cultivators even with just Laws, not Daos. So I'm unsure on how to go about it, because in the novel it seems that Concept Type 2 can beat type 1, which is just... not a thing in the wiki.

Edit: Rakih, I already just pressed Post Reply and immediately got a like, before the website even refreshed to show me the post. How the hell did you like it this fast.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

We are going physics with this one

"So, what exactly is the Quantum Realm?" asked Wang Wei.

"A truly wonderful world," said Wei Enlai with bright eyes. "It is a place where the laws of physique break down. The speed limit is no longer the speed of light; the temperature can go lower than absolute zero.

"However, this is not what makes it so wonderful."

Chapter 740

"The real wonder of the Quantum Realm is the fact [concepts] exist. Things like life and death are no longer a simple decay of the cells and consciousness, fate is no long probability, and creation is no longer matter manipulation.

"They are tangible and observable concepts."

Chapter 740

Tangible concept lol

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

"Enter the Quantum Realm and use the High Consciousness to absorb these concepts, elevating the body to a Quantum Lifeform or a higher dimensional creature," explained Wei Enlai.

Chapter 740

Wei Enlai's eyes lit up. "What's more, that creature was not limited by its flesh and blood. The [Concept] in its body had its mark, meaning it could exist even if it lost flesh, blood, and High Consciousness."

Same chapter

5-D?

 

[Lysairth]

Idk how to interpret this as part of the cosmology thingy.

Wuji is Nonexistence, The Non-manifest, Non-distinction, and Nothingness before Tao. Tao gave birth to One, One gave birth to Two (duality of Yin-Yang), Two gave birth to Three (which is the harmony of Yin-Yang and Qi if we use Tao Te Ching as the reference.), from Three comes Myriad Things.

Primordial Chaos, the fundamental force of the very beginning is one of the myriad things born from Three, being the earliest to be born.

Five Elements, the fundamental elements that made up everything on the whole universe alongside the Yin-Yang's rotation, is also one of the few things to be born early from the Three.

And then there is the Taiji thing, which is the direct opposite of Wuji, symbolizing Existence, Manifest, or the Physical. Though as far as I could tell, it should be the whole representation of all the things born from Tao.

More to Yin-Yang as a duality, it encompasses everything in the verse, hence why it's called the most versatile yet accesible Dao. As it includes :
1. Life-Death
2. Push-Pull
3. Up-Down
4. Creation-Destruction
5. Existence-Nonexistence
6. Speed-Slow
7. Movement-Stillness
8. Light-Darkness
9. Victory-Defeat
10. Attack-Defense
11. Strength-Weakness
12. Far-Near
13. Long-Short
14. Good-Evil
15. Positive-Negative
16. Tangible-Intangible
17. Left-Right
18. Fate-Freedom
etc.

Those are the things included in Yin-Yang as far as I've read the story, which is upto the 1119 chapter, where Yin-Yang not only represent the opposite of things, but also changes, which should be some more evident for the Three.

 

[Lysairth]

5-D?

It's the same case as Mortal to Immortal cultivators, the slight difference is, one being a Conceptual Lifeform whose [Existence] is infused with the Concept they cultivated, while the other one being a Quantum Lifeform, who has absorbed Concepts from the Quantum Realm with their High Consciousness/Soul.

 

[Orioreeem]

Idk how to interpret this as part of the cosmology thingy.

Wuji is Nonexistence, The Non-manifest, Non-distinction, and Nothingness before Tao. Tao gave birth to One, One gave birth to Two (duality of Yin-Yang), Two gave birth to Three (which is the harmony of Yin-Yang and Qi if we use Tao Te Ching as the reference.), from Three comes Myriad Things.

Primordial Chaos, the fundamental force of the very beginning is one of the myriad things born from Three, being the earliest to be born.

Five Elements, the fundamental elements that made up everything on the whole universe alongside the Yin-Yang's rotation, is also one of the few things to be born early from the Three.

And then there is the Taiji thing, which is the direct opposite of Wuji, symbolizing Existence, Manifest, or the Physical. Though as far as I could tell, it should be the whole representation of all the things born from Tao.

More to Yin-Yang as a duality, it encompasses everything in the verse, hence why it's called the most versatile yet accesible Dao. As it includes :
1. Life-Death
2. Push-Pull
3. Up-Down
4. Creation-Destruction
5. Existence-Nonexistence
6. Speed-Slow
7. Movement-Stillness
8. Light-Darkness
9. Victory-Defeat
10. Attack-Defense
11. Strength-Weakness
12. Far-Near
13. Long-Short
14. Good-Evil
15. Positive-Negative
16. Tangible-Intangible
17. Left-Right
18. Fate-Freedom
etc.

Those are the things included in Yin-Yang as far as I've read the story, which is upto the 1119 chapter, where Yin-Yang not only represent the opposite of things, but also changes, which should be some more evident for the Three.

Yea by our current tiering system this is literally Wuji which is tier 0, but also by our current tiering system tier 0 is contradicted by Hongmeng being above Wuji.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I'm unsure about the Tao stuff as well, and I'm honestly just leaving it up to the Verse Addition thread and wait for knowledgeable people about those to tell what it means.

Though, wasn't Hongmeng described as "Every concept/everything that ever existed was there all at the same time"?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

"Science & Technology and cultivation are different ways to achieve the same thing. Once science develops to a sufficient level, it will enter the domain of "God," capable of achieving fantasy or unscientific things.

"Science has Order: water boils at a specific temperature and freezes at another, or an apple will fall after throwing into the air. The way the science universe operates is detailed and precise–as if it was designed as such.

"So, does the universe operates its Order on its own, or is there something maintaining that order like Grand Dao."

Wang Wei suddenly remembered that terrifying Will waken up. "Is that the Science and Technology World's version of Grand Dao? Interesting. Maybe this world is still useful."

Chapter 741

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Hongmeng are whatever the Author want fr.

 

[Lysairth]

I'm unsure about the Tao stuff as well, and I'm honestly just leaving it up to the Verse Addition thread and wait for knowledgeable people about those to tell what it means.

Have asked someone knowledgable, and it have different tiering depending on what system is used.

By the old system, it's L1C if the universe is L2C Universe, which isn't the case with JotFDE, as the universe refer to the Chaos Universe, which should made it higher than that.

By the new system, it should be L1A atleast, and potentially higher with some more explanation? Idk.

Though, wasn't Hongmeng described as "Every concept/everything that ever existed was there all at the same time"?

Nah, Hongmeng is the place in which all those Concepts exist in simultaneousness, including the very Concept of Reality and Fantasy.

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Also, Yin-Yang in here should be fine to be addressed as General Duality, as it's the main force that gave birth to/being the basis of many other dualities, where some are literally the fundamental principles inside the verse.