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post training joseph vs joint kacchan

speed equalized

3 votes joseph

2 votes kacchan

whoooooooooooooooooo would win
 
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depends on if he can kacchan to Joseph's tricks. though with Splosion boy's fighting style joseph might have some trouble thinking of a plan
 
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Bakugo is an arrogant prick basically the kind of enemy Joseph fights best against he can and will use bakugo's personality flaws to his advantage
 
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yeah i vote Joseph despite the ap advantage, joseph will not have problem outsmarting Bakugo and Hamon can also ignore durability
 
Except that Bakugo doesn't underestimate his opponents in a serious fight. He's a loud, brash, asshole but he fights to win. He'll keep Joseph at a distance and test his fighting style for openings.

If we're gonna just start voting for our favorite character without a real debate, then I say Bakugo wins with the AP and Range advantage.
 
I think I'll vote Bakugo. joseph is smarter but I think Bakugo's mobility as well as his aggressive fighting style should give him the victory.
 
Wamuu took Joseph seriously and still got outsmarted and compared to wamuu bakugo is very easily enraged
 
See Weaknesses: Dynamight has a short temper and is rather arrogant, causing him to forget the task at hand in favor of blowing up whatever agitated him.
 
Yeah Joseph has some stupidly good feats of outsmarting folks ngl if he can outsmart someone like Wammu then he'll play Bakugou like a violin and cut his strings.

That said winning isn't impossible due to AP advantage but Pillar Men are like way above Joseph in AP last I checked and he still contended. Joseph mid to high difficulty fra
 
Joseph FRA
If Joseph managed to outsmart Extraordinary Genius guys like Esidisi, Wamuu and even Kars that are all planning to kill him, I can see Joseph thinking of a great plan against Bakugo including the fact he is literally smarter than him since Gifted vs Genius. Though what Stillwinston said, it wouldn't be easy and could be a mid to high difficulty since the AP gap might be a bit big for Joseph but its still doable for him to have a fighting chance nonetheless.
 
Joseph FRA
If Joseph managed to outsmart Extraordinary Genius guys like Esidisi, Wamuu and even Kars that are all planning to kill him, I can see Joseph thinking of a great plan against Bakugo including the fact he is literally smarter than him since Gifted vs Genius. Though what Stillwinston said, it wouldn't be easy and could be a mid to high difficulty since the AP gap might be a bit big for Joseph but its still doable for him to have a fighting chance nonetheless.
Joseph has still durability negation
 
Bakugo should take this, he has decent range and AP advantage, also most of Joseph's victories are a combination of luck, catching his enemy off guard or having knowledge before the time to formulate a plan that exploits a certain character's weakness, that's not to say that Joseph isn't a smart fighter he is but he is first and foremost an opportunist not some NLF batman like figure that's going to outsmart everyone at any point, there's also the fact that Bakugo actually has more experience than Joseph in regards to fighting more versatile enemies, in contrast, Hamon is fairly conventional; this is ignoring the fact that Bakugo does not hold back, and when he gets angry he doesn't suddenly become dumb, his analytical skills are still present as ever.
If you want to argue Joseph wins via outsmarting Bakugo then you need to provide a better argument than just saying "he outsmarts him because bakugo gets angry"
 
Bakugo should take this, he has decent range and AP advantage, also most of Joseph's victories are a combination of luck, catching his enemy off guard or having knowledge before the time to formulate a plan that exploits a certain character's weakness, that's not to say that Joseph isn't a smart fighter he is but he is first and foremost an opportunist not some NLF batman like figure that's going to outsmart everyone at any point, there's also the fact that Bakugo actually has more experience than Joseph in regards to fighting more versatile enemies, in contrast, Hamon is fairly conventional; this is ignoring the fact that Bakugo does not hold back, and when he gets angry he doesn't suddenly become dumb, his analytical skills are still present as ever.
If you want to argue Joseph wins via outsmarting Bakugo then you need to provide a better argument than just saying "he outsmarts him because bakugo gets angry"
Joseph had no knowledge of starzio and in wamuu's case both side had knowledge of each other and wamuu's personality and intelligence are way better than bakugo and he also outsmarted acdc who was cautious of him and again had way higher intelligence than Bakugo. Joseph has continuously outsmarted people with way higher intelligence and ap than him and Hamon ignore durability so ap is not much of an issue and Joseph doesn't make plans ahead of time literally his best intelligence feats were something he came up with on spot so not having prior knowledge is not much of an issue
 
Joseph FRA.

Not to mention once Joseph gets a hang of his opponent he does that weird foreshadowing gimmick of "Now you'll say..." and if he gets that on Splodypants he's a goner.
 
the idea of a MHA figthing a jojo is a disrespect :)
You cant be serious, like 90% of MHA characters are weak already, and not to mention against someone say Jotaro or DIO everyone gets clapped pretty hard, in this case Joseph alone has hamone which is it's own cup of tea.
 
Being taken seriously doesn't mean Joseph cant exploit his anger issues and personality, or just like, trick him. That's kinda his whole schtick, facades, and more, nothing is really stopping Joseph from playing on that, even if Bakugo plays smart initially, Joseph can very easily exploit it and lure him in.

Hell, Joseph can literally just pretend to be defeated and then come back later with a plan or lure him in under the guise of being defenseless. Or a multitude of other tactics, or like, just lay traps and play keep away himself, and slowly but surely guide Bakugo into the traps.

And him having an AP disadvantage is normal, he could engage the Pillar Men, and even engaged Santana, who at the time, was at minimum, double Straizo, who was > Joseph in raw stats. Though if anything we're looking at like, a far larger gap then just 2x. So he definitely has experience fighting those stronger than him.

It doesn't help that if joseph, really, ******* wanted to, he could imbue his projectiles with Hamon (and has done so before).

Joseph's victories are a combination of luck, catching his enemy off guard or having knowledge before the time to formulate a plan that exploits a certain character's weakness,

Only one victory was luck. The rest is entirely on him, and he can analyze his foes on the spot to get a grasp of their personality to use that against them. Notably, he did that with Wham, taking notes of how he acted to deduce he had a unreasonable sense of pride, and used that to bluff himself an extra month. He doesn't need to know ahead of time, he can figure it out on the fly. He catches his enemies off guard sure, but he does that by his own merit via distracting them or setting up traps while fighting.
 
Being taken seriously doesn't mean Joseph cant exploit his anger issues and personality, or just like, trick him. That's kinda his whole schtick, facades, and more, nothing is really stopping Joseph from playing on that, even if Bakugo plays smart initially, Joseph can very easily exploit it and lure him in.

Hell, Joseph can literally just pretend to be defeated and then come back later with a plan or lure him in under the guise of being defenseless. Or a multitude of other tactics, or like, just lay traps and play keep away himself, and slowly but surely guide Bakugo into the traps.

And him having an AP disadvantage is normal, he could engage the Pillar Men, and even engaged Santana, who at the time, was at minimum, double Straizo, who was > Joseph in raw stats. Though if anything we're looking at like, a far larger gap then just 2x. So he definitely has experience fighting those stronger than him.

It doesn't help that if joseph, really, ******* wanted to, he could imbue his projectiles with Hamon (and has done so before).



Only one victory was luck. The rest is entirely on him, and he can analyze his foes on the spot to get a grasp of their personality to use that against them. Notably, he did that with Wham, taking notes of how he acted to deduce he had a unreasonable sense of pride, and used that to bluff himself an extra month. He doesn't need to know ahead of time, he can figure it out on the fly. He catches his enemies off guard sure, but he does that by his own merit via distracting them or setting up traps while fighting.
This is very true. Joseph is very keen on realizing what someone's weakness is, and mocking them, such as the imfamous nigerundayo scene.
 
Being taken seriously doesn't mean Joseph cant exploit his anger issues and personality, or just like, trick him. That's kinda his whole schtick, facades, and more, nothing is really stopping Joseph from playing on that, even if Bakugo plays smart initially, Joseph can very easily exploit it and lure him in.

Hell, Joseph can literally just pretend to be defeated and then come back later with a plan or lure him in under the guise of being defenseless. Or a multitude of other tactics, or like, just lay traps and play keep away himself, and slowly but surely guide Bakugo into the traps.

And him having an AP disadvantage is normal, he could engage the Pillar Men, and even engaged Santana, who at the time, was at minimum, double Straizo, who was > Joseph in raw stats. Though if anything we're looking at like, a far larger gap then just 2x. So he definitely has experience fighting those stronger than him.

It doesn't help that if joseph, really, ******* wanted to, he could imbue his projectiles with Hamon (and has done so before).



Only one victory was luck. The rest is entirely on him, and he can analyze his foes on the spot to get a grasp of their personality to use that against them. Notably, he did that with Wham, taking notes of how he acted to deduce he had a unreasonable sense of pride, and used that to bluff himself an extra month. He doesn't need to know ahead of time, he can figure it out on the fly. He catches his enemies off guard sure, but he does that by his own merit via distracting them or setting up traps while fighting.
so wanna vote for him?
 
Should note, Joseph does have a super move, but he can only use it once and needs a cool down on it before he can again (and it's not just a few second cool down).
That being his Ultimate Overdrive. It can completely bypass like a 3x gap (Ultimate Overdrive>>Kars sabre>Lisa Lisa>3x>Joseph), to the point of one shot, but it likely leaves him defenseless afterward as it takes him focusing all his Hamon, including what's stored up, into a singular point (that being his hand), strengthening the blow by a large degree.

It's also a last resort, he won't use it unless forced. But he does have it in his back pocket, even if he likely won't use it as well as likely not being able to unless he can get within CQC. But it be there, it's a win condition at least even if a difficult one.
 
Being taken seriously doesn't mean Joseph cant exploit his anger issues and personality, or just like, trick him.
Your going to have to explain in what way that isnt a broad generalization, considerig characters have tried that and failed with Bakugo.
Hell, Joseph can literally just pretend to be defeated and then come back later with a plan or lure him in under the guise of being defenseless.
This counts as BFR on the wiki and Joseph loses.

Or a multitude of other tactics, or like, just lay traps and play keep away himself, and slowly but surely guide Bakugo into the traps.

The moment Joseph sets a trap he gets blasted by explosion thats 3 times his Durability and has a far wide AOE
And him having an AP disadvantage is normal, he could engage the Pillar Men, and even engaged Santana, who at the time, was at minimum, double Straizo, who was > Joseph in raw stats. Though if anything we're looking at like, a far larger gap then just 2x. So he definitely has experience fighting those stronger than him.
Experience doesnt meant his tanking damage thats triple his durability and being fine
It doesn't help that if joseph, really, ******* wanted to, he could imbue his projectiles with Hamon (and has done so before).
They get countered by bakugo explosion or he evades as he not only has better range but superior mobility.
and he can analyze his foes on the spot to get a grasp of their personality to use that against them. Notably, he did that with Wham, taking notes of how he acted to deduce he had a unreasonable sense of pride, and used that to bluff himself an extra month.
Bakugo has done the same, the difference here is Joseph isnt going to bluff himself out of the match.
He doesn't need to know ahead of time, he can figure it out on the fly. He catches his enemies off guard sure, but he does that by his own merit via distracting them or setting up traps while fighting.
Yes he does, the reason why his rope trick worked is that he knew about the pillarmen and their history and deduced that they were unaware of the sleight of hand tricks that became so popular in the late 18th and 19th century.
 
Joseph had no knowledge of starzio
Yes he did, he even prepared for it to avenge speedwagon lol

wamuu's case both side had knowledge of each other and wamuu's personality and intelligence are way better than bakugo and he also outsmarted acdc who was cautious of him and again had way higher intelligence than Bakugo

This is circular reasoning.
 
The range of Bakugo's explosions is "useless". If you are 1 meter away from the center of the explosion the damage of the attack is reduced by more than half (Via Inverse-square law and blablabla)
 
The range of Bakugo's explosions is "useless". If you are 1 meter away from the center of the explosion the damage of the attack is reduced by more than half (Via Inverse-square law and blablabla)
yeah sorry thats not how fictional verses works and not how we do things on the wiki.

besides bakugo has hurt people with his explosions that were much farther away than a few meters.
 
Your going to have to explain in what way that isnt a broad generalization, considerig characters have tried that and failed with Bakugo.

And I doubt any of them are as good as Joseph when it comes to that. He's done it to those far smarter then Bakugo, and even to those who realized what he was doing, it's moreso Bakugo who needs feats of not falling for that against someone who's as good as Joseph at poking and exploiting. And given its literally in Bakugo's weakness section, it's fair game.

This counts as BFR on the wiki and Joseph loses.

No it ******* doesn't? It only counts if he's gone for a week, obviously, he's not gonna be home for a week dude.
The very SBA rule you're quoting states that BFR needs to last a week to count.

The moment Joseph sets a trap he gets blasted by explosion thats 3 times his Durability and has a far wide AOE

That implies Bakugo even realizes he's laying traps, given Joseph's precedent of setting up traps in the fly right in front of his opponents, opponents far more analytical and smarter than Bakugo, yeah no, Joseph can and will manage without Bakugo realizing it. And if he does realize, it's because Joseph wanted him to abd the actual trap gets set off the moment Bakugo tries to avoid or destroy the decoy trap. Like ****, we're talking about a dude who managed to strap a dozen grenades to someone he was literally fighting, in plain view, without the other dude noticing.

Experience doesnt meant his tanking damage thats triple his durability and being fine
No, but it means he knows how to mitigate the advantages and will do exactly that. And Joseph can tank attacks that much above him, so like, 🤷‍♂️, they hurt and do damage but hamon healing/Regen and pain nullification help with that, it's allowed him to facetank before against attacks that do a number.


They get countered by bakugo explosion or he evades as he not only has better range but superior mobility.
Unless Joseph does it in such a way Bakugo fails to notice that Joseph even attacked in the first place, you're acting like Joseph is just gonna shoot or attack him straight to his face, that isn't what's gonna happen here, don't act like that's the case. The moment Joseph Kearns what Bakugo can do, Bakugo is gonna need to watch his back, and sides, and below, and above, Joseph is gonna be laying traps, attacking in such a way and so on in ways that Bakugo isnt just gonna see it coming, take the Wham fight for example, Joseph pretended to miss his shot completely, just so it could rebound and take Wham from behind with a ganon infused steel ball, Joseph's fighting style isn't as simple as you're implying.

Bakugo has done the same, the difference here is Joseph isnt going to bluff himself out of the match.

Missed the point completely, suspiciously so. My point was Joseph can very, very easily figure out how Bakugo thinks on the fly and exploit that with little issue, not that Joseph is gonna ******* bluff him into gaining extra time.

Yes he does, the reason why his rope trick worked is that he knew about the pillarmen and their history and deduced that they were unaware of the sleight of hand tricks that became so popular in the late 18th and 19th century.

That's straight up bullshit, he doesn't need to know ahead of time, he can and has figured shit out on the fly, don't be disingenuous here. That's a half truth, you're taking Joseph exploiting something to mean he's only done shit like that, that's blatantly false.
 
thats only when we calc because often times we dont have a reference point within the show.
I don't remember any character being damaged by an explosion too far away
tons of characters get blasted away by air shockwaves of the explosions, as well as characters like nine who several meters away from the original explosion.
 
thats only when we calc because often times we dont have a reference point within the show.
Nah, that's a universal rule
tons of characters get blasted away by air shockwaves of the explosions, as well as characters like nine who several meters away from the original explosion.
The explosions in the fight against Nine were not ordinary explosions like normal ones. These explosions melted the stones. It was more like a "Laser of explosion".
 
Joseph via being a fuckton smarter. 4 times stronger means almost nothing when you heal and resist the pain.
 
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