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JoJo's Bizarre Adventures: Downgrades

Agreed, City Block level usually isn't what's portrayed in the manga, but then I'm using Stone Free who was confirmed to have a punching strenght similiar to that of a small meteor.

Meteor Hits Russia Feb 15, 2013 - Event Archive
Meteor Hits Russia Feb 15, 2013 - Event Archive

What about we use Russia's meteor?
 
Ironically, this was where JJBA used to be last year before we downgraded them.....then upgraded them.....and now we have to downgrade them to the most ironic tier range ever. ^^;

In any case, putting stands comparable to/stronger than SP(is that right?) to City Block level (again) is alright to me.
 
Yup. JJBA was 8-B last year, then we had a couple things that changed them, from downgrade to 8-C to massive upgrade to high end 8-A to now this again. ^^;
 
In the calc that Iwandesu did, he used the velocity of 100m/s as the low end, and 200m/s as the high end. Just wondering how he got that speed value.

Before Iwan was mentioning about Sub-Relativistic speed suction motion, and now we have this calc.

Do you guys want me to post the calc so everyone else could see it?
 
Lina Shields said:
In the calc that Iwandesu did, he used the velocity of 100m/s as the low end, and 200m/s as the high end. Just wondering how he got that speed value.
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100m/s via sucking all the air in, in one minute

200m.s via sucking all the air in, in 30 seconds (which is the realistic value, seeing as that timeframe was picked and sourced in the original calc)
 
I still think that the calc in question need to be checked here by the calc team members. Like Cross said, the tiering of Jojo characters have been fluctuating numerous time since last year, thus we need to be absolutely sure that the changes that are going to be made will actually stay changed this time.
 
What Lina said. This has been going on since last year and it's honestly funny to me at this point. xD

And it is a serious issue since from back then as i've said, yeah.
 
If this was accepted by the OBD, I suppose that this seems reasonable. However, it may be best if you ask our own calculation group to take a look at it as well.
 
Lately, the OBD calc team has been extremely slow. Only Endless Mike checks and finalizes calcs to see whether they are accepted or not.

The calc can be posted here. However there are no guarantees that the calc team here will accept it, as we follow different calc rules compared to OBD.
 
Okay. It might be easiest to simply link to here in the calculation evaluations thread, so the calc group members can answer directly.
 
GreatestSin said:
^arent there exceptions for timespans or so? afterall timespan guessing from the manga is not that accurate :/
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You can only use the anime if it's a secondary canon type of thing (like One Punch Man) but when you consider the amount of cut content and added content in the David Productions anime; lack of involvment from Araki then we cannot use it any circumstance unfortunately.

And it's not a guess either, Enya was losing air and was knocked out by the time the deed was done. So a timeframe of how long someone can breath until they lose conciousness makes complete sense.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
You can only use the anime if it's a secondary canon type of thing (like One Punch Man) but when you consider the amount of cut content and added content in the David Productions anime; lack of involvment from Araki then we cannot use it any circumstance unfortunately.

And it's not a guess either, Enya was losing air and was knocked out by the time the deed was done. So a timeframe of how long someone can breath until they lose conciousness makes complete sense.
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only because the anime didnt animate all scenes or added minor ones doesnt change the adaptation :/ and which mangaka is closely working at the anime-adaptation of their work? isnt it always the studios who decide what comes in and what not?

but 30 seconds got used right? i wouldnt see much of a stretch with 40 seconds, if anything, it would be the new low-bailing :/
 
GreatestSin said:
only because the anime didnt animate all scenes or added minor ones doesnt change the adaptation :/ and which mangaka is closely working at the anime-adaptation of their work? isnt it always the studios who decide what comes in and what not?

but 30 seconds got used right? i wouldnt see much of a stretch with 40 seconds, if anything, it would be the new low-bailing :/
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I don't know what you're talking about on your first point, so I'd like some elaboration if possible. However, the director of the anime states he has the final say in everything.

I don't see the point in assuming an old woman can be deprived of oxygen and somehow outlast swimmers or more physically fit people by an extra ten seconds before losing conciousness. I also don't like adding in random numerical values just for the sake of a lowball, if you have a couple of sources that have longer periods of time then I would definately use that.
 
^isnt that in any anime the case? the mangakas have at best the role of a "person who suggest certain things", that was the same for the OPM anime :/

stand users in general are physically more fit than normal humans, so even while being a old lady it wouldnt be suprising for her to outlast trained normal humans :) as fo the numerical value: it isnt random, we take the timespans of such feats most of the time from the anime (if a anime is aviable) :/
 
GreatestSin said:
^isnt that in any anime the case? the mangakas have at best the role of a "person who suggest certain things", that was the same for the OPM anime :/
stand users in general are physically more fit than normal humans, so even while being a old lady it wouldnt be suprising for her to outlast trained normal humans :) as fo the numerical value: it isnt random, we take the timespans of such feats most of the time from the anime (if a anime is aviable) :/
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You have a source that says Araki was involved with the anime and had a position compareable to Murata's or ONE's?

Perhaps so, but the source linked for a timeframe is less severe (having the air taken out of your body > holding breath underwater) than what Enya had to go through. So it appears that the thirty second timeframe is more generous than it appears to be.

I'd like to stop discussing the whole "using anime events when calculating manga feats" stuff, as this sort of discussion has been held in the past and has concluded in it being opposed.
 
^nope, but isnt that always liek that for the anime adaptation?

first, we are talking about fictional chars, and second, this is a stand user who has automatically higher stats than a normal human, such a person having a low-superhuman feat is nothing extraordinary...

as far as i know it was only opposed in certain situations, like if the anime goes against stuff that was established/shown in the manga, but timespans can be taken if the situation that was adapted was the same, this is why saitamas moon-jumping feats timeframe could be take over by the anime and used in calcs... and in this current case the adaptation is more or less the same as the manga, did they add scenes that didnt happen in the manga? otherwise i dont see why we cant use it :/
 
1. You provided no proof after I said you should

2. I agreed that Enyaba (as a result of being a stand user) has higher capabilities than the regular person, my next point was all about how the timeframe sourced may be more generous than I thought. Nigh strawman I'd say.

In all honesty it's getting pretty tiring talking to you, since you're stubborn on using an anime adaption for a timeframe when it's been said in previous discussions that we should rely on the actual source material itself for one. And I don't appreciate you slowing the process down either, if you don't provide a source like I said you do. Please don't reply, as it's going to lead into a repetitious argument.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
on using an anime adaption for a timeframe when it's been said in previous discussions that we should rely on the actual source material itself for one.
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but the actual source does not have a timeframe, the best we did was doing a guess, why making guesses if there is a perfectly adapted anime medium that has a clear timespan attached to it?

PS: i dont try to be stubborn, only that the reasons for not using the anime timespan seem very weak to me, if people still want to use their own guesses than im fine with it :/
 
GreatestSin said:
but the actual source does not have a timeframe, the best we did was doing a guess
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Nope, the fog was sucked in before Enya was ko'd via loss oxygen deprivation. Which has a timeframe we already applied, you're acting as if we pulled a random number from thin air and just ran with it.
 
^while it is not out of thin air it is a guess, her body is enhanced by a unknown degree due to being a stand user, so the timeframe will always be debattable unless we use a clear timeframe from the anime version....but you can disagree if you want, if the majority says that we use the deduced-time than so be it :)
 
You better start to have more respect for staff members.

Because being so stubborn and sarcastic is not going to end well for you.
 
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