Star Platinum is the fastest stand on the planet!
Which means he is...
Slower than all stands in Part 5?
Statement is given before Part 5.
Jotaro's profile states multiple times that even at his weakest state in Part 4, he is still the fastest Stand on the planet.
No, what it states, is that he's number 1 in speed at the time. Which, needless to say, kinda hard to scale that to Stands that do not exist yet.
I won't leave links to the reasons why he is like that, it's all stated in the profile. It's hard to argue with that, I think everyone agrees. That's why he scales higher than all the characters in Part 4.
Yes in Part 4, characters in Part 4 state he's the fastest. While he is stated the fastest, this is Part 4, Part 5 hasn't happened yet.
Because these statements were given before Part 5 was written.
6251, and obviously Part 4 itself, predate Part 5.
In Part 5,
ALMOST EVERY character scales from
Polnareff, or at least downscales, and also from
King Crimson. Personally, I have a little problem with this, but it doesn't matter. The point is that because of this,
almost all the characters in Part 5 are MFTL. Because at the time of Part 5, Polnareff hasn't become slower, which means he is still as fast as in Part 3,
where he demonstrated MFTL speed.
That isn't particularly true.
They're scaling off King Crimson to varying degrees, who fought Polnareff in the 90s. How fast Chariot is in Part 5, actually doesn't matter for the scaling, as the scaling comes from years before Part 5 chronologically. He did manage to tag Diavolo, but that was a one off, was even said it'd never happen again. So sure, but there's a prtty blatant problem with that line of thing we'll get to.
Why don't we scale Jotaro from Part 4 above Polnareff, OR AT LEAST every character from Part 5 (including
Diavolo, who is considered faster than SC)? Part 4 takes place in 1999, and Part 5 takes place in 2001.
Because almost every single statement, is from characters who would not know they exist, (or in some cases, those Stands
didn't exist) or from guides and stuff predating Part 5 in which, obviously wouldn't account for characters that haven't been thought up yet.
Most of the characters at that point still had their Stand in 1999, and even before that, Diavolo didn't even destroy Silver Chariot until a couple years after Part 3, which ended in January 1989.
Only a few. And that doesn't matter. none of the statements encompass Part 5, either because Part 5 wasn't a thing yet, or the characters didn't know they existed.
And Polnareff is a fringe case, he was never meant to be brought back.
Since Star Platinum has so many claims about being the fastest Stand on the entire planet and always being number one in physical strength and speed, he should scale above every character from Part 5, or more briefly,
He doesn't have a single claim worded as fastest on the planet. They're all just face-value number 1 in speed or fastest.
This, again, ignores the glaring caveat of them not existing.
above King Crimson, who still existed parallel to Part 4 and is the fastest character in Part 5 (FORGET ABOUT GER).
This isn't how it works, if every statement about him being number 1 in speed is before the creation of the character, upscaling him doesn't work.
And when every statement after Part 5 in regards to Plat's speed, is now for Part 3 or his peak, it doesn't work.
Also, why do the
characters from Part 6, when downscaling from Jotaro, only have FTL, and "likely MFTL" is not indicated in their profile?
Because they aren't at all, That's to be changed.
And at the moment, it's because he's stated FTL in Part 6, that's the only feat/statement he has for Part 6, and upscaling relativistic stuff.
Meanwhile they simply don't actually scale (Nobody matched or contended with Plat, they even had to workaround Plat as a whole to tag Jotaro), and have anti-feats putting Whitesnake below SOL, which is problematic when Plat itself is stated to be faster than the thing he's slower than.
If we are going to downscale from Jotaro, then we need to indicate his real speed. By the way, in Part 6, Jotaro should be even faster than in Part 4, as far as I know.
No he shouldn't? He's slower, out of his prime, older.
Age effects a Stand's speed, they state this a few times, it's even the crux of a fight later.
The best you could do is argue CD's maximum top speed might be MFTL, but that's a bit off, we only know Part 4 Plat is FTL because he has statements stating he's FTL.
While true he is MFTL in his youth, he is also noted to be at his prime in his youth. And to hammer that in, it is a stated and established concept that aging will effect a Stand's speed.
Which funny enough, is even used in manga itself at points
Here, they directly confirm, in manga no less, so we don't even need supplementary material, that aging will effect a Stand's output. Sticky goes from humiliating the Grateful Dead in speed, with its speed even being pointed out as being an advantage. But as GD's aging takes hold, Sticky's speed falls exponentially, to where the Grateful Dead, who was previously getting outclassed completely, basically statues him and catches his arm mid punch.
Anime for a better visualization of how badly aging can cripple a Stand's speed.
Of course, Jotaro's aging wouldn't hinder Plat as bad as it did SF there, he's not that old yet, but that doesn't change the fact it is a thing, and because it's a thing, and because we know Part 3 is his prime, we know his speed wouldn't be the same. The question comes in with, how fast is he still? Is he only a lil slower? Is he a lot slower? We don't really know, so we just cut out the assumptions, and go "yep his ass is at least FTL, maybe higher", because he still has FTL slop and statements and what not for part 4 and beyond.
Obviously, there's more to this including supplementary material, but if this is such a common point, I will gather it at a later point for the profile, either way, it's a thing, and said thing makes Plat being the same as Part 3 in speed unknown, likely not, but as said, how much, we can't exactly presume.
Moreover, Jotaro's reaction, not his Star Platinum, is
written as MFTL in the profile, which makes him much faster in reaction than his stand.
Good question, that should probably be changed to reflect Plat's speed.
This is strange, because if someone is scaled to his stand, he (Jotaro) will usually have a hard time reacting to it himself. They (Jotaro and Star Platinum) are always the same scale in terms of speed (Jotaro's reactions and Star Platinum's combat).
That's actually straight up wrong but that's beside the point.
This means that Jotaro from Part 4 either has FTL reaction, or Star Platinum is also MFTL.
No it doesn't? Your arriving at a conclusion based on a faulty premise.
But yes, his reactions should be changed to reflect Plat's speed.
Also, of the characters that are scaled to Jotaro,
Josuke should be it. According to the profiles, when enraged, he scales to Jotaro (downscales), which is why he has FTL. But this should be changed to MFTL.
Should be changed to At least FTL, possibly MFTL.
Not flatout, not enough evidence, with contrary evidence implicating Jotaro isn't at the same level of speed he was in part 3. And while he has statements, you need to take into account when they're given in ordre to scale.
Although I admit honestly, now it will be strange if he has "Relativistic+, possibly Speed of Light to FTL, MFTL while enraged", because it looks a little out of balance.
It'd be Relativistic, not +, there's calcs for that, just hasn't been updated.
With FTL via stand rules, and at least FTL, possibly MFTL while enraged due to varying statements and showings regarding Plat.
I'm sure you yourself will be able to somehow scale other characters to MFTL to eliminate this terrible gap. But this is without me. My goal is different.
Not really, nobody scales to a Pissed off CD in speed except Plat and Rohan. And nobody scales to Rohan in speed who has a profile.
Otherwise, we will get that characters from parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are scaled to MFTL, and the only exception is part 4. Imagine, absolutely everywhere in the world there are MFTL stands, and only in Morioh there are Relativistic+ stand users.
This is a non-argument from disbelief. Ignoring Part 4 was activey toned down from the prior parts due to Araki not wanting to fall into the trap other shounen had in power escalation, it is what it is.
This also doesn't work because Part 6 isn't MFTL, and 7 isn't bar like 3-4 things, Part 7 is just so outdated it isn't even funny.
"Sometimes I'm asked if I'll ever continue Baoh or B.T., but to me, those stories have ended. I get letters, too, asking me to "bring out Polnareff" or "bring Kakyoin back to life." But Part 4 already has characters of the same type as them, so there wouldn't be much of a point to it. Joseph and Jotaro are only in Part 4 because they belong to the Joestar bloodline.
I don't have any kind of lingering attachment to or regret about my past work. You could say that's because I'm decisive, but it might be more that I'm forgetful. [laughs]
I think of my work as something close to a diary. Rather than set it aside or let it steep, I try as best I can to draw my art in a single take and move on, rather than to keep on amending it, or to set it aside and come back later, because I want to value my emotions in that moment.
I'm going to give JoJo Part 4 everything I've got!" - Jojo 6251.
"First of all, Polnareff and Jotaro's personalities were always meant to be opposites. Jotaro has an imposing, cool personality and doesn't really move around that much, so to contrast that I wanted an impulsive character that would run around like crazy. It's like the difference between being 'static' and being 'dynamic' you know? Polnareff was also quite fun to draw and it was easy to manipulate his movements, so I ended up using him quite a lot.
His hairstyle also turned out pretty good. The other characters all have fairly flat heads, so if Polnareff is also in the panel, it ends up creating a perfect balance overall. During Part 4: Diamond is Unbreakable, I got a ton of letters from fans asking where Polnareff was and what he was doing. And so, a part of the reason why Polnareff ended up showing up in Golden Wind was because I wanted to answer that question, of what he had been up to after Stardust Crusaders. I wanted to say that just like Jotaro, he has been fighting hard this whole time." - Jump Remix 2002.
Which is to say, Polnareff was gone, he was never supposed to come back, to factor him in to statements that occur in 1999 in uni (and 1993 irl) is a lil dishonest?
As an aside, Part 5 is stated to be faster than Part 4, and even 3 as a whole, in the recent JoJo magazine so. That is obviously intentional.
So yes, Part 5 actually is for some reason stupidly fast, and it's acknowledged as such officially.
- Star Platinum (Part 4 and 6) is now "At Least Massively FTL" because he scales above King Crimson because it is the fastest Stand on the planet due to multiple indications.
None of the statements encompass Part 5. And while Plat has statements post Part 5 for being the fastest, they're inregards to his Part 3 self.
Part 4 is faster than everything in Part 4 due to statements and character claims, like Akira and Josuke both saying he's the fastest for example, but obviously, this wouldn't count for characters that 1. Haven't been written yet. 2. They would not be aware of.
Part 4 scales off Part 6 Jotaro, who's in the same boat but worse, but has a statement saying he's FTL via sheer speed, ergo, we can at least conclude Plat in 6 and 4 is FTL still.
- All Part 6 characters now scale to "Massively FTL".
No. They have anti-feats, and they never actually contend with him. They should be downgraded, which is the plan, there's a relativistic feat they can scale to they actually did instead.
- Josuke scales to "Massive FTL" when enraged because he scales to Jotaro.
I can accept a possibly but a flatout lacks sufficient evidence.
This CRT hinges on statements that don't encompass Part 5 to scale to Part 5, or for the few that happen after Part 5, apply to Part 3 not 4 (Either because character's aren't aware of the other MFTL Stands to even account for them when they talk, or the statements happen from an outside perspective before the creation of said stuff).
Assumes Part 4 is the same speed as Part 3, which, might be the case, but it isn't solid, we know he's not as fast anymore, the question comes with how much slower is he? A bit? A lot? We don't know, so personally just upscaling off Part 6 who is still confirmed FTL in sheer speed is the safest route with the least assumptions, but that offhand chance he's still comparable, is also why he's listed as "likely" MFTL in Part 4, which is already accounted for.
And then Part 6 stuff which is just outdated af and they shouldn't be downscaling at all given Plat's whole speed was something they had to work around (Even worse, though, is that Part 6 Jotaro has zero statements saying he's the fastest Stand anymore, he just lucks out because he's stated FTL at least).
Give CD a likely MFTL because that's what Plat has atm, but that's the best that can be done based on the actual evidence.
