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I've just noticed a lot of stuff in JoJo profiles that doesn't make much sense or needs some polishing. A lot of them are just innacuracies or out-of-context things in their profiles that should be re-worded or removed while other stuff is a bit more serious, especially when it comes to scaling. Here's what I found:
[This post ended up being a lot bigger than I expected so I narrowed it down to characters who appeared in Part 1 and 2 (including part 3 Dio and Joseph since their profiles are shared with their earlier versiosns) and might post a follow-up with part 3, 4 etc. characters]
- Pre-Tarkus Jonathan's tier (Building-level) is due to taking hits from Tarkus. The problem with that is that Tarkus spent their fight just playing around with Jonathan. I don't know this site's policy on character's holding back during fights so I'm not too sure if this is a valid one, but I thought I should still mention it. Tarkus spends the most of the fight teasing Jonathan and literally starts playing a game with him half-way through just to humiliate him even though he doesn't have to. In the same fight he hits a little boy (human-level at best) and he survives the attack without too much injury. It's very unlikely Tarkus was hitting people directly at full power. I'm also not sure why Jonathan surviving those attacks = having the same in AP, whearas characters like Jotaro get sepperate AP and Durability stats.
- Jonathan's profiles mentions him crashing through a wall with Dio. However, that page (and the previous pages) tells us they are actually falling through the roof of the mansion which had been weakened by the fire. I don't think falling down an already-weakened roof is a significant feat to include. Otherwise we'd be making profiles for every unfortunate irl construction worker.
- Jonathan's speed stats aren't clear if they're about Pre or Post-Tarkus Jonathan since they don't have keys. It mentions him intercepting Dio's Space Ripper Stingy Eyes but this technique is only showcased and used by Dio against Post-Tarkus Jonathan. It also mentions Straizo's bullet-timing which I guess scales due to him also using the Space Ripper Stingy Eye to do it ("the special ability that Dio killed Jonathan with") but this technique was already calced to be Hypersonic so wouldn't listing it as Supersonic too be unecessary?
- Dio's profile claims his Part 1 body is stronger than his Part 3 body but it offers no scans or further evidence (which is very important as this determines the tiers of the top tiers in Part 1 and 2).
- This one's just a request for a scan in Dio's profile. I think a scan of Star Plantinum and The World's punching-barrages clashing could show their equal AP/Durabilty in the most straight-forward way possible.
- Speedwagon's tier (Wall-level) is never properly backed-up.
- Whilst Part 3 Joseph's speed is explained in his profile (reacting to Silver Chariot), his AP and Durability just seem to be carried over from Part 2. I'm not too sure how I feel about that as Joseph never showcases any impressive physical AP/Durabilty feats in Part 3 (that I can recall) like in Part 2 and his old age and becoming rusty with Hamon could mean he's physically weaker in Part 3.
- I think a seppearate discussion should be started about Hermit Purple. I think it's below human-level AP seems a bit uncalled for. DIO does refer to it as "the weakest stand" but this doesn't seem like automatic below human-level AP considering things like:
1. DIO was saying this as he was breaking Hermit Purple before Joseph could transfer Hamon, implying he was referring to it's weak durability, not AP.
2. DIO was probably referring to it as the weakest in regards to the other Stardust Crusaders and not to stands overall, considering there are villains in part 3 who showcase physically weaker stands than Hermit Purple (the Lovers, Khnum, Tohth etc.).
There's quite a lot to discuss here and this post's huge enough already.
- Lisa Lisa scales to Joseph in AP due to tagging him, having Joseph admit he was better and having higher Hamon. The first is a speed feat, not an AP one, the second is just Joseph overhyping her for defeating Kars right before it's revealed she hadn't actually done it and the third I'm not too sure about either as Hamon does not simply = physical AP. While hamon can be used to raise one's natural physical AP/Durability, we'd still have to know how strong they are naturally to compare them (since it'd be natural AP + Hamon-boosted AP = AP in a fight).
[This post ended up being a lot bigger than I expected so I narrowed it down to characters who appeared in Part 1 and 2 (including part 3 Dio and Joseph since their profiles are shared with their earlier versiosns) and might post a follow-up with part 3, 4 etc. characters]
- Pre-Tarkus Jonathan's tier (Building-level) is due to taking hits from Tarkus. The problem with that is that Tarkus spent their fight just playing around with Jonathan. I don't know this site's policy on character's holding back during fights so I'm not too sure if this is a valid one, but I thought I should still mention it. Tarkus spends the most of the fight teasing Jonathan and literally starts playing a game with him half-way through just to humiliate him even though he doesn't have to. In the same fight he hits a little boy (human-level at best) and he survives the attack without too much injury. It's very unlikely Tarkus was hitting people directly at full power. I'm also not sure why Jonathan surviving those attacks = having the same in AP, whearas characters like Jotaro get sepperate AP and Durability stats.
- Jonathan's profiles mentions him crashing through a wall with Dio. However, that page (and the previous pages) tells us they are actually falling through the roof of the mansion which had been weakened by the fire. I don't think falling down an already-weakened roof is a significant feat to include. Otherwise we'd be making profiles for every unfortunate irl construction worker.
- Jonathan's speed stats aren't clear if they're about Pre or Post-Tarkus Jonathan since they don't have keys. It mentions him intercepting Dio's Space Ripper Stingy Eyes but this technique is only showcased and used by Dio against Post-Tarkus Jonathan. It also mentions Straizo's bullet-timing which I guess scales due to him also using the Space Ripper Stingy Eye to do it ("the special ability that Dio killed Jonathan with") but this technique was already calced to be Hypersonic so wouldn't listing it as Supersonic too be unecessary?
- Dio's profile claims his Part 1 body is stronger than his Part 3 body but it offers no scans or further evidence (which is very important as this determines the tiers of the top tiers in Part 1 and 2).
- This one's just a request for a scan in Dio's profile. I think a scan of Star Plantinum and The World's punching-barrages clashing could show their equal AP/Durabilty in the most straight-forward way possible.
- Speedwagon's tier (Wall-level) is never properly backed-up.
- Whilst Part 3 Joseph's speed is explained in his profile (reacting to Silver Chariot), his AP and Durability just seem to be carried over from Part 2. I'm not too sure how I feel about that as Joseph never showcases any impressive physical AP/Durabilty feats in Part 3 (that I can recall) like in Part 2 and his old age and becoming rusty with Hamon could mean he's physically weaker in Part 3.
- I think a seppearate discussion should be started about Hermit Purple. I think it's below human-level AP seems a bit uncalled for. DIO does refer to it as "the weakest stand" but this doesn't seem like automatic below human-level AP considering things like:
1. DIO was saying this as he was breaking Hermit Purple before Joseph could transfer Hamon, implying he was referring to it's weak durability, not AP.
2. DIO was probably referring to it as the weakest in regards to the other Stardust Crusaders and not to stands overall, considering there are villains in part 3 who showcase physically weaker stands than Hermit Purple (the Lovers, Khnum, Tohth etc.).
There's quite a lot to discuss here and this post's huge enough already.
- Lisa Lisa scales to Joseph in AP due to tagging him, having Joseph admit he was better and having higher Hamon. The first is a speed feat, not an AP one, the second is just Joseph overhyping her for defeating Kars right before it's revealed she hadn't actually done it and the third I'm not too sure about either as Hamon does not simply = physical AP. While hamon can be used to raise one's natural physical AP/Durability, we'd still have to know how strong they are naturally to compare them (since it'd be natural AP + Hamon-boosted AP = AP in a fight).
