JoJo and Verse Equalization

[Antoniofer]

Ah yeah, this is an alternative self, not a future/past self. Although, Temporal Presence is existing in past, present and future, is possible that do not cover the past, present or future of an alternative dimension. Also, how the alternative dimension works? Is a alternative due and divergence in a point of time or a completely unrelated alternative self (like, one being male while the other swlf is female)?

 

[TriforcePower1]

They're different universes.

 

[Promestein]

If a character's Type 3 Acausality doesn't include alternate selves, then sure. The Shrike and the Tall Ma would be fine, for example.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Bump

I think we reached a conclusion about Funny Valentine, right? Would we need to mention that in the weakness section?

 

[Eficiente]

His P&A already put this as a fact of the verse and not a power D4C does and his Notable Attacks/Techniques part mentions the weakness.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Good then. The only thing remaining is the ghost/stand equalization, right? Do you perhaps remember any instance of a ghost being able to affect stands?

 

[Eficiente]

All of them have some justification behind it, but, in any case, the opposite is what must be proven.

 

[TriforcePower1]

What must be proven?

 

[Eficiente]

That they can't interact with Stands.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Well, WoG is that only Stands can interact with Stands. Ghosts aren't stands.

 

[Eficiente]

NFL and insufficient, in my opinion.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Insufficient to what? That's more evidence than saying they can.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Stuff becomes NLF only outside of verses or in completely different contexts. This isn't the case.

 

[Elizhaa]

Well, WoG is that only Stands can interact with Stands. Ghosts aren't stands.

WoG would be Statements Option 5 and it too can be inaccurate as well.

I don't think it was word of god that mentioned the interaction; I think it was a narrative that makes the statement as it I remember the statements was in a manga page of form.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yes, I agree with it being option 5. Within the context of Jojo, only Stands can touch other Stands. That further supports that a normal Ghost can't touch a stand.

 

[TriforcePower1]

No, it's WoG explaining how stands work in a minichapter of the manga.

 

[Eficiente]

Yes, I agree with it being option 5. Within the context of Jojo, only Stands can touch other Stands. That further supports that a normal Ghost can't touch a stand.

Can you prove that?

 

[TacticalNuke002]

This is what you are looking for. Its a part of the manga alright, rather than a statement by Araki elsewhere.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

What do you mean can I prove that? It says Stands can only be effected by another stand. Ghosts are not stands. Kira's dad is not a stand. Reimi and her dog aren't stands.

 

[Antoniofer]

Is not that a ghost is unable to interact with a Stand, is that ghost can't harm them (about the WoG, only stands can harm other stands). So, ghosts could touch them but they can't damage them, but the Alley Hands, that I suppose are spirits, can affect them.

 

[TriforcePower1]

WoG explicitly says "effect", not "harm".

 

[DragonEmperor23]

For all we know, the alley hands could be the Stand of the alley. It's not like that's the only time that's been a thing.

 

[Eficiente]

Headcanon.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

wait, I can see why that's misunderstanding I'll edit it.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Fixed.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Headcanon.

Saying that they're ghosts is headcanon, too. Kira only mentions them as a "powerful force", and Reimi does the same iirc

 

[Eficiente]

They may as well be ghosts, not Stands. We just don't know and nothing on this matter proves anything.

 

[TriforcePower1]

They may as well be ghosts, not Stands. We just don't know and nothing on this matter proves anything.

I agree that it doesn't resolve anything, yes. But then there's nothing supporting that ghosts can affect stands, as that was the thing brought up by Antonio.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yeah, I'm just saying that the Alley Hands shouldn't be relevant as we don't know enough about them. We do know that ghosts exist in Jojo and that Stands also exist. So when the manga says that only Stands can effect Stands, then ghosts would not randomly be excluded from this rule without any direct statements about it.

 

[Eficiente]

Ghost are a rare thing in JoJo, when the rules where initially brought in Part 3 they weren't any, after that they were occasionally appearing. If they were truly different, there would be a rule saying that Stands can affect ghosts.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I agree that saying ghost can affect stand doesn't sound right.

 

[TriforcePower1]

@Efi That page is from Part 7

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I mean, these rules are more about the mechanics of stands. There's no rule that says they can effect humans, but we see them effect humans on screen. Same thing with Ghosts.

 

[Eficiente]

There is also Silver Chariot Requiem, whose powers derive from the ability to dominate the souls of living beings, and that just let's him use other's Stands against themselves. This and this come right after showing said power.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yeah, SCR switches the souls of people into different bodies.

 

[Eficiente]

@Efi That page is from Part 7

Stands rules were the same thing in Part 3, no one updated that well.

 

[TriforcePower1]

@Efi That page is from Part 7

Stands rules were the same thing in Part 3, no one updated that well.

And? That simply shows that the rules remained unchanged across the series.

 

[TriforcePower1]

btw, help https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2741777

 

[Eficiente]

And? That simply shows that the rules remained unchanged across the series.
Remember the power to shrink one's Stand? That as well isn't mentioned.

 

[TriforcePower1]

But that's not a rule?