JJK Gojo and Sukuna revisions

[Duedate8898]

Downscale or Scale doesn't really matter, look at somone like Aki from Chainsawman or Zoro from One Piece. Characters taking substantially more damage than the likes of Sukuna but who are allowed scaling to these attacks.

I think the fact that he gets damaged even when the output is notably weakened while he's using an enhancer means physically scaling to Small City level is a no

Same goes for Gojo though. Both of them are comparable throughout their entire fight.

 

[M3X_2.0]

What about a Low 7-B scaling? What's the reason?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Downscale or Scale doesn't really matter, look at somone like Aki from Chainsawman or Zoro from One Piece. Characters taking substantially more damage than the likes of Sukuna but who are allowed scaling to these attacks.

The problem here is that it the scaling would be circular

Gojo and Sukuna are comparable. Red outputs more than twice the amount of Gojo's normal output. Sukuna can survive Red with heavy injuries

Sukuna would be at most Low 7-B for surviving Red, but Gojo is comparable to him and Red is more than twice as powerful as his own output. And so on

 

[SunDaGamer]

Downscale or Scale doesn't really matter, look at somone like Aki from Chainsawman or Zoro from One Piece. Characters taking substantially more damage than the likes of Sukuna but who are allowed scaling to these attacks.

Aki's suit was durable enough to prevent him from being fatally injured by an attack that one-shot Chainsaw Man Denji by cleanly slicing through him and Denji has High 8-C+ dura for surviving a High 8-C+ attack. Aki's actual physicals being 9-A comes from boxing Denji and his 9-A dura isn't gonna let him get off with a cut while Denji with his High 8-C+ dura was bisected.

Like this is a case where the next highest tier scales far too low so downscaling (but putting them within the same tier) is necessary which it isn't for this case because Red being x2 Sukuna's durability is perfectly fine as is, don't have to fix what isn't broken.

 

[M3X_2.0]

so is Gojo’s section acceptable? What about the ratings? Gojo is easier because I have 99% of everything done. If we reach a consensus about him then we can focus on Sukuna.

 

[Duedate8898]

Aki's suit was durable enough to prevent him from being fatally injured by an attack that one-shot Chainsaw Man Denji by cleanly slicing through him and Denji has High 8-C+ dura for surviving a High 8-C+ attack. Aki's actual physicals being 9-A comes from boxing Denji and his 9-A dura isn't gonna let him get off with a cut while Denji with his High 8-C+ dura was bisected.

Like this is a case where the next highest tier scales far too low so downscaling (but putting them within the same tier) is necessary which it isn't for this case because Red being x2 Sukuna's durability is perfectly fine as is, don't have to fix what isn't broken.

And the Zoro point I mentioned?

so is Gojo’s section acceptable? What about the ratings? Gojo is easier because I have 99% of everything done. If we reach a consensus about him then we can focus on Sukuna.

Gojo looks fine. I haven't really commented on his stuff cause it makes sense. The most I would argue is that in hidden inventory while he mostly doesn't really on his physicals, he is at least shown willing and able to physically attack others as he does the clone man when he fails to use Red and the Q member he beat off screen who looks like Gojo physically beat him, and looking at his stats as an adult and since he relies on Six Eyes for a lot of his output and things like that, we could argue that his physicals just downscale from him Blue in that state, just so we don't have to deal with him having nothing for those stats but its whatever.

The problem here is that it the scaling would be circular

Gojo and Sukuna are comparable. Red outputs more than twice the amount of Gojo's normal output. Sukuna can survive Red with heavy injuries

Sukuna would be at most Low 7-B for surviving Red, but Gojo is comparable to him and Red is more than twice as powerful as his own output. And so on

It's not circular though. Because Gojo is High 7-C without Blue. He's higher into High 7-C with it. And with Red his Low 7-B. The only time Gojo is hitting Sukuna without Blue, Sukuna eats the hit with no real issue. With Blue, Sukuna isn't really taking a lot of damage throughout his beatdown. It's only with Red that damage starts to actually get significant against Sukuna.

Red for sure can cause harm to Sukuna, but he's still taking these attacks to a scalelable degree. So setting him at an at most tier of Low 7-B helps illustrate that ceiling for his power better than just having him at High 7-C. Especially since we'd be including him surviving Red in his durability section anyhow.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Gojo doesn't really have any physical feats, and the only relevant thing is what @Sir_Marvulous wrote for his durability, which then would scale Gojo to 8-A as well. Need more discussion about this.

Hmm. First off. I don't think any physical feats is needed to scale him above.
Normally speaking in JJK in regards to normal CE reinforcement dudes. If you've got higher CE output, that translates to higher speed and attack. And if gojo blitzes Toji, then he's pretty much above.
We see Pre RCT gojo whilst Hyper fatigued, being easily relative to Toji in speed.

This statement here also implies some relativeness in stats.

Additionally, Gojo's equal, HI arc Geto before Gojo's awakening, seems to have made Toji even amp himself up by revealing his card, which boosted his stats up. This may imply that he didn't think his current capabilities were enough to take down Geto and thus he needed to strengthen himself by doing a BV.
So for anything hidden inventory arc gojo related. Just either scale him to being relative to toji (pre rct) and scales above Toji after awakening.

> TBD with Hollow Purple (When amplified by chants, destroyed a large part of the Shinjuku district and grievously injured Sukuna, obliterating his left hand and damaging his entire body along with annihilating Mahoraga and the eight-handled wheel[5] which not even Sukuna's Divine Flame was capable of.[6] At 200% output, Purple tore through just under four kilometers of Shinjuku and blew off Sukuna's arms[7][3]), TBD with chants and signs (Performing a technique's chants and hand signs amplifies its Cursed Energy Output)

Hmm.. The chants specifically only worked up to 175%.
Each set of chant is for blue, then red and purple. With each amp giving a 25% (You just gotta subtract the one given by Utahime who had her CT working at 120% effectiveness). He was also still weakened with a existing brain damage when creating that purple. Though Idk if that should be worth mentioning tho. It might still make it clear he did this whilst weakened but eh
Additionally. The wheel was completely unscratched. Not even the sure hit dismantle and cleave did anything to it. So idk how you'd treat destroying the wheel as AP impressive. It's kinda a unnatural wheel so the reasons might not even be some SP related stuff.



Aside from that? Everything else checks out fine for Gojo bro.

 

[Yasuda_144]

Toji isn't even a sorcerer and he has zero CE, revealing the fact that he's under a Heavenly Restriction does literally nothing to aid him. Furthermore, he absolutely stomped the hell out of Geto, one-shotting his most durable Cursed Spirit and walking away from the fight with only a tiny cut to show for it.

When it comes to Gojo, even after Gojo's Awakening Toji withstood a direct hit to the chest from his Red without any of his bones being broken, so a much weaker Gojo being comparable in striking strength makes little sense.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Toji isn't even a sorcerer and he has zero CE, revealing the fact that he's under a Heavenly Restriction does literally nothing to aid him.

Revealing Ones Hand isn't the same kind of Binding as a contract forged with Jujutsu iirc

one-shotting his most durable Cursed Spirit

He did that with Split Soul Katana which dura negs

 

[Yasuda_144]

Revealing Ones Hand isn't the same kind of Binding as a contract forged with Jujutsu iirc

The amp it provides seems to be similar in nature to something like Nanami's Overtime just with a different activation condition, so it probably just does nothing for somebody with zero CE to begin with. I don't recall a statement of it being fundamentally different than any other Binding Vow made with oneself.

He did that with Split Soul Katana which dura negs

The dura neg part is damaging the opponent's soul, but he also sliced through its physical hide quite easily as well.

 

[SunDaGamer]

The dura neg part is damaging the opponent's soul, but he also sliced through its physical hide quite easily as well.

Split Soul Katana explicitly bypasses the toughness of the substances it is cutting

 

[Yasuda_144]

In that case then yeah, it's not necessarily an AP feat for Toji here. There's still the problem of Gojo not having concrete AP scaling to Toji without his CT though (although I guess his Blue punches can just downscale to roughly half of Red).

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Toji isn't even a sorcerer and he has zero CE, revealing the fact that he's under a Heavenly Restriction does literally nothing to aid him.

It does. We're told by Geto it amps him lol.
Heavenly restriction is a BV too. Geto says he's trying to further boost his HR.

Text (and TL) by Lightning:
[“It’s Heavenly Restriction, isn’t it? I already know that disclosing information will increase your abilities like us sorcerers. That’s not what I wanted to hear.”



The phrase 情報の開示 (joho no kaiji) is the same phrase used when Aoi Todo discloses Boogie Woogie to Hanami during the Goodwill event to increase his CE levels. Suguru implies that people with Heavenly Restriction can do the same.]

Furthermore, he absolutely stomped the hell out of Geto, one-shotting his most durable Cursed Spirit and walking away from the fight with only a tiny cut to show for it.

Yes, after amping himself. What are you talking about?
Yes, whilst using a Dura neg blade. That isn't anything AP noteworthy. This isn't even a W stats feat.
The absolutely stomped in question is getting him caught off guard after that stun Geto received from his CT not working, with Toji also being amped from that BV.

When it comes to Gojo, even after Gojo's Awakening Toji withstood a direct hit to the chest from his Red without any of his bones being broken, so a much weaker Gojo being comparable in striking strength makes little sense.

So why do you think Toji is afraid to fight Gojo, has to make him ultra fatigued, distract him with tons of bugs and exploit him worrying about Amanai?
You don't seem to understand that he's afraid/wary of Gojo. Not just because of his six eyes but also because he's strong.

He didn't even withstand it. The context is quite literally him blocking it with his inverted spear. Which he said that he can do that. (that he can block red with his spear) Hence why the Anime also shows him blocking it.
It's also why you see nothing having happened to his chest, and how he seems to be damaged from something else indirectly (the bleeding he has isn't that of someone that has taken a direct hit in the context of that fired red)

Another thing is that you're using a gojo who is super casual and high on enlightenment, not even actually taking Toji seriously, notwithstanding the fact that this was his first ever use of red against Toji too.

 

[M3X_2.0]

My take on this thing is that Gojo shouldn't have any scaling to Toji. Not in AP, Dura or SS.

 

[Yasuda_144]

He blatantly injured him with a Red though? And his Blue amped punches should be approximately half of that.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Sorry I meant anything other than Limitless. The OP has him scaling to Toji with Red and Purple.

There's no blue punches in this key.

 

[M3X_2.0]

When it comes to Gojo, even after Gojo's Awakening Toji withstood a direct hit to the chest from his Red without any of his bones being broken, so a much weaker Gojo being comparable in striking strength makes little sense.

I agree with this by the way.

 

[Yasuda_144]

Apparently he actually blocked it with the Inverted Spear though, so my reasoning here isn't exactly airtight.

 

[M3X_2.0]

He only blocked in the anime

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

He only blocked in the anime

It's heavily implied he blocked it with his spear given he talks about blocking it with the right timing. Which we see him turn around to Gojo who blitzed behind him and was preparing to fire a red for the first time upside down.
There's also no wound on any part of his body bar the one that comes from being launched away so far. Which is... his head.



The cursed spirit around him isn't hurt either. Or damaged.
No visible burn mark or wound that comes from being hit by red. The only wound is from his head that isn't the usual wound caused by a direct hit by something, but rather was sent away with quite the force that caused indirect injury by collision.

When you're hit by red, it causes some marks, reminiscent to burn marks to appear if you're directly hit by it. The cursed spirit shouldn't be any different either. So the only explanation is that he blocked it with his Inverted Spear. Which is also why the anime also shows him blocking it. So you can use the anime showing this time frame that the manga didn't show but only implied heavily.

 

[SunDaGamer]

It's heavily implied he blocked it with his spear given he talks about blocking it with the right timing. Which we see him turn around to Gojo who blitzed behind him and was preparing to fire a red for the first time upside down.
There's also no wound on any part of his body bar the one that comes from being launched away so far. Which is... his head.



The cursed spirit around him isn't hurt either. Or damaged.
No visible burn mark or wound that comes from being hit by red. The only wound is from his head that isn't the usual wound caused by a direct hit by something, but rather was sent away with quite the force that caused indirect injury by collision.

When you're hit by red, it causes some marks, reminiscent to burn marks to appear if you're directly hit by it. The cursed spirit shouldn't be any different either. So the only explanation is that he blocked it with his Inverted Spear. Which is also why the anime also shows him blocking it. So you can use the anime showing this time frame that the manga didn't show but only implied heavily.

I'm gonna have to agree with Guns here