Jiren vs Beerus

[MeleeniumRXJ]

I don't think you can apply power scaling to hax resistance. And even if we could, it's not officially on his profile.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

No, but considering Frieza resisted it through willpower and his newfound power? That's nothing Jiren doesn't have on a higher scale.

 

[Ovrhide]

I don't think you can apply power scaling to hax resistance. And even if we could, it's not officially on his profile.

Not powerscaling, just saying that if a G.O.D With the same move as beerus (hakai) cant defeat him, then it wouldnt work on jiren if beerus used it as well. Not saying that jiren is resistant to it, just that he may be able to avoid it somehow.

 

[Mister_Death]

It's not even confirmed that Belmod>Beerus

thats jumping the gun quite a bit

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Edit: Inconclusive for reasons below

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

lol in english dub it was stated he transcending time.

 

[Ovrhide]

Jiren transcends time. Holy F**k

 

[Golden_Void]

Jiren takes this then :^) Waited till the next episode

 

[Ja_Ma]

If Champa can beat Hit and Jiren actually beat hit and Beerus can beat Champa, I still don't see how this means Jiren can beat Beerus

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Champa can beat a hit who didn't go through 3-4 power boosts, and Beerus can't beat champa, they equal.

 

[Ja_Ma]

beerus is a bit more powerful than champa. Hit never got a power boost, he just somewhat adapted. That bs about hit getting more powerful as he fights wasn't true

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Not only us it entirely true, we got multiple statements by multiple saying hit got more powerful at multiple points.

Hit started off weaker than SSBx10.

When Goku hired him he was now stronger than ssbx10 casually.

When hit went to recruit frost pretty sure it was noted he got a boost.

Pretty sure there was another statement between here.

He got a boost against Dyspo.

And it's noted multiple times how it works.

Calling it bullshit doesnt make it not true. Also in the anime they're equal or so close any difference is negligible.

 

[Golden_Void]

Does anyone have the final tally?

 

[RevolverDragon]

Still think it's inconclusive. Jiren crushed Hit's dimensional sphere, but that's only after Hit decided he wanted to go upclose and personal. Before then, he was just overpowering Hit's time-skip the same way Kaioken SSB Goku was.

Do what you will though.

 

[Ovrhide]

I think jiren with every episode is being given more power/hax, or at least, hes showing more of it. By the end of the arc, we might have jiren close to the angels if they continue at this rate.

 

[Golden_Void]

I think jiren with every episode is being given more power/hax, or at least, hes showing more of it. By the end of the arc, we might have jiren close to the angels if they continue at this rate.

Vados DID say his power is frightening :^)

 

[Schnee_One]

8 for inconclusive, 7 for Jiren.

No way in hell should this be added tho, way too early.

 

[Golden_Void]

Thanks :^)

 

[LegendsVII]

Inconclusive. I still don't see any proof that Jiren can beat Beerus beyond pure conjecture. Until one of the angels or Beerus himself mentions that Jiren is stronger or it's implied, I don't think we can really say.

 

[Megamangohan]

inconclusive for reasons above

 

[MeleeniumRXJ]

Inconclusive for reasons above

 

[Ovrhide]

Yeah. Inconclusive for reasons above. We have yet to see what he is actually capable of.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

im voting luke skywalker via mindhax gg.....Lol Inconclusive for reasons above,to speculative for this to be a legit fight,we need more feats for both Jiren and Beerus.

 

[MeleeniumRXJ]

I don't even think this should be added. We should wait until more feats are done.

 

[NateSolo]

Jiren stops SSG Goku with one finger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLSbVtTW0BI

Jiren beats the hell out of SSB KKx20 Goku with his eyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMLWhnN_pLc

Jiren takes on U7's Spirit Bomb and wins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF05_ZhqstM

Whis states Jiren is the mortal who cannot be defeated by a God Of Destruction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvrNHKBp098

Jiren fights evenly with Ultra Instinct Goku, who has attained a skill that the Gods of Destruction couldn't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvxLbcJuYB0

Jiren wins.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

Jiren wins with or without Hakai

Ok without yes Jiren blitzes and ends him....

WITH *PLS*

HAKAI FROM BEERUS SOLOS EVERYONE OF THE UNIVERSE IN OVO

 

[Omega998]

We still hast see berrus full power same with jiren so we dont know who is strong for sure since berrus hast complealy master ui and we never see berrus use it on goku.

 

[Golden_Void]

We are still waiting for more evidence.

 

[Mickey1940]

Ultra Instinct Goku was confirmed by Toyotaro to be > Beerus, and Jiren >= Ultra Instinct Goku

 

[Mickey1940]

Jiren is the mortal stronger than gods for a reason

 

[Golden_Void]

Ultra Instinct Goku was confirmed by Toyotaro to be > Beerus, and Jiren >= Ultra Instinct Goku

When? Where?

 

[Ovrhide]

When? Where?

Dont know where. Havent heard of an interview with toyotaro at all. And even tho im in the side that jiren > G.o.d level, we still need the confirmation of jiren being above all gods. We have a close one, which is whis speculating that jiren is perhaps above that level, but is not a guaranteed.

 

[MeleeniumRXJ]

I think Jiren > Belmod since that was pretty much stated directly. Question is, is Beerus above either Belmod or Jiren? And who did Beerus lose an arm wrestling match to, Quitela or Belmod?

What if when Whis said that this GoD is more powerful than Beerus, Beerus thought he was referring to Quitela, who he lost an arm wrestling match with, when really, he was referring to Belmod?

 

[Noahkaismith]

Can we just add this?

 

[MeleeniumRXJ]

I honestly don't think this should be added any time soon, regardless of the tally.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

I think Jiren > Belmod since that was pretty much stated directly. Question is, is Beerus above either Belmod or Jiren? And who did Beerus lose an arm wrestling match to, Quitela or Belmod?
What if when Whis said that this GoD is more powerful than Beerus, Beerus thought he was referring to Quitela, who he lost an arm wrestling match with, when really, he was referring to Belmod?

In the Anime, when Beerus lost his Arm Wrestling match, the GoD who beat him actually thrives within the same Universe as the Mortal that beat said GoD. And, as stated by Whis, Jiren is apparently Stronger than Belmod. So...yeah...

In the Anime, in terms of Arm Strength: Belmod > Beerus. Though, in terms of actual Power, they may be the same. Idk...

In the Manga however, it's Quitela that beat Beerus, not Belmod. However, 2 Chapters later, Jiren's STILL confirmed to be stronger than Belmod. So...yeah.


OT: I'd say Jiren. If anything, I find Jiren to be Stronger than a GoD, yet around 50% an Angel's Power.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

So, i'd say he's inbetween both the GoD Tier, as well as the Angel Tier. I call this Tier: THE JIREN TIER!

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

You're ignoring that Beerus can use Hakai and is capable of sealing people away.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

You're ignoring that Jiren can use Hakai and is capable of sealing people away.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Holy crap, I used the wrong name. xD I edited it.