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Beerus wins seeing as Jiren got bodied a little by only the defense half of UI Goku plus The angels say the gods of destructions didn't master it yet meaning each god of destruction has the attack or defense half to UI
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Yeah, no. Dont merge manga and anime. Not only do we not know if belmod is weaker or stronger than beerus, but even if beerus was stronger, jiren is as well.Chartate101 said:Beerus due to Hakai and being more powerful than Belmod (only losing to one other GoD and it was implied to be Quitela)
So instead of making stuff up, like beerus saying that he was the strongest G.o.d, why not watch the actual show, where whis said that jirens G.o.D was stronger than beerus. But i want to wait for more info on this subject. We might get a statement during the next couple of episodes to see where they stand.Chartate101 said:In the anime, Beerus stated he was the strongest GoD and Whis reminds him he once lost. This was implied to be Quitela due to the rivalry between the two. So Beerus is stronger than Belmod. So is Jiren. So in my opninion, they are at least relative in strength. Add on Beerus having an absurd amount more experiance and the ability to Hakai, Beerus wins
I still think Jiren would tank. Hakai or not. :/TheHadouCyberspaceWitch said:@Char, no, in the anime, Beerus never said such things. Whis said that there is a mortal in a universe who is stronger than their God of Destruction, and that this God of Destruction is more powerful than Beerus. The mortal has already been confirmed to be Jiren, not Ganos or anyone from Universe 4, so the God of Destruction stronger than him must be Belmod. Champa is also notably comparable to Beerus. Quitela was only that God of Destruction in the manga, and we aren't using the manga here. Jiren is much stronger than Beerus, but strength isn't the biggest factor here, it's abilities.
Also that was a far stronger version of SSG that Jiren was blocking.Aeyu said:Also @Ryu, sealing Elder Kai honestly isn't that impressive. Goku in SSJ3 was faaaaaaaaaaaar above the Supreme Kais, even combined. SSJ God is vastly, insurmountably beyond that, and Jiren was blocking SSJG with his finger, while heavily suppressed.
Hakai =/= energy of destruction.Fankid said:Hakai is just energy of destruction right? if so then Ryukama is right. It makes sense for it to be, as normal energy of destruction wipes a person's soul.
The sealing technique is unknown, and applying NFL doesn't really work, it could be like the Mafuba though, but then again, we don't know if certain beings can break out of that.
Physically Jiren has the obvious advantage, as shown by numerous sources and statements, hell, even Vegeta backs up that the guy has more energy than Infinite Zamasu, while suppressed. Whis was saying that not even a God of Destruction could beat him, while Jiren was having a little trouble with the spirit bomb, so even while suppressed, he's stronger than Gods of Destruction.
In the Anime it has been said by Whis that Beerus has the Ultra Instinct technique, but it's never shown, plus, he probably couldn't keep up with Jiren's speed.
Anyway, about the locomotion and offensive difference, that was only in the Kefla fight.