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Jigokuraku Discussion Thread

Actually, I think we should differentiate key between the times when Gabimaru uses Tao and when he doesn't. So, generally, his tier should be like this: 9-A, higher with Tao, if there are no calculations scale with his Tao higher than 9-A at present.
 
Second22 said:
Actually, I think we should differentiate key between the times when Gabimaru uses Tao and when he doesn't. So, generally, his tier should be like this: 9-A, higher with Tao, if there are no calculations scale with his Tao higher than 9-A at present.
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Seems reasonable enough. Give me a second.
 
Is it good to incorporate Tao element attributes into Tao, such as Gabimaru's (Element attribute: Fire), while Shugen's attributes are Tao (Element attribute: Water (Affinity), Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal)? It would be beneficial if it is clearly specified.
 
azontr said:
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Azontr/Gabimaru the Hollow (Rework)

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Here is my current progress on Gabimaru's profile, although it is not quite finished.
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Are we really sure he should have pressure points?

It seems he just knows vital spots and how they can kill a person if attacked, that's not really pressure points


Also yea, definitly agree that he should have two keys

One for before Tao
and the other for after he gets his flower body and learns Tao
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Are we really sure he should have pressure points?

It seems he just knows vital spots and how they can kill a person if attacked, that's not really pressure points
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That is literally the dictionary definition of a pressure point.

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pres·sure point
noun
a point on the surface of the body sensitive to pressure.
 
azontr said:
That is literally the dictionary definition of a pressure point.

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
pres·sure point
noun
a point on the surface of the body sensitive to pressure.
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No, stabbing or biting someone's carotenoid artery does not count for pressure points

It says sensitive to pressure, nothing Gabimaru does has anything to do with pressure

Look at our Pressure Point page to get a better example
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
No, stabbing or biting someone's carotenoid artery does not count for pressure points

It says sensitive to pressure, nothing Gabimaru does has anything to do with pressure
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Hitting somebody in their joints to paralyze them or in their tendons or specific muscles is objectively pressure points.
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Look at our Pressure Point page to get a better example
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I've read the pressure points page countless times, and am well versed enough in real life pressure points that I don't need you telling me how they work. It's staying on the page.
 
azontr said:
Hitting somebody in their joints to paralyze them or in their tendons or specific muscles is objectively pressure points.
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Yeah but does he do that?

It literally only says in the justification that he knows that there vital spots

Doesn't say anything besides applying "Force" which in the context of the panel is attacking

He's never actually shown anything like that
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Yeah but does he do that?

It literally only says in the justification that he knows that there vital spots

Doesn't say anything besides applying "Force" which in the context of the panel is attacking

He's never actually shown anything like that
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...Are you insinuating that Gabimaru, with all of his Shinobi training, knows the vital points of the human body yet does not know how to target them in combat...........
 
azontr said:
...Are you insinuating that Gabimaru, with all of his Shinobi training, knows the vital points of the human body yet does not know how to target them in combat...........
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No, I'm insinuating that he has never demonstrated using pressure points to induce an effect such as paralysis or anything else that would actually qualify for Pressure Points

We straight up see him target arteries and stuff in combat but that ISNT Pressure Points

We don't give pressure points to people who stab an artery or cut a ligament
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
No, I'm insinuating that he has never demonstrated using pressure points to induce an effect such as paralysis or anything else that would actually qualify for Pressure Points

We straight up see him target arteries and stuff in combat but that ISNT Pressure Points

We don't give pressure points to people who stab an artery or cut a ligament
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The scan I'm using in the profile is NOT Gabimaru tearing out somebody's tendons or arteries....????

Now I'm starting to question if you can read properly.
 
azontr said:
The scan I'm using in the profile is NOT Gabimaru tearing out somebody's tendons or arteries....????

Now I'm starting to question if you can read properly.
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The context of the panel makes it clear he's referring to force as in kicking, slicing, cutting, punching

Even if it was in the context of actual pressure points then Gabi has still yet to actually demonstrate them in any way

Cool it with the insults btw


I'll make a thread to remove it and you can argue your point there
 
azontr said:
A thread to remove it from a sandbox-?
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Gabimaru the Hollow

I'd do anything at this point. Vicious criminals, eerie islands... It's all the same to me. I'll survive this and return home.[1] Gabimaru the Hollow (伽が藍らんの畫が眉び丸まる, Garan no Gabimaru?), is a Shinobi from the Stone Village Iwagakure and the protagonist of "Jigokuraku". Being sentenced to death...
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He already has pressure points on his normal profile
 
The pressure points that exist in his profile at the moment will be the pressure points from Tao. If we were to separate the key, should we also separate the various abilities related to Tao?
 
Oh, yes. I think the image of Gabimaru's Pressure Points is clearer than the image of Shugen you're currently using because the first two images are not directly related to Tao, but rather about the knowledge of body structure. I believe using Gabimaru's scan would be better.
 
Second22 said:
Oh, yes. I think the image of Gabimaru's Pressure Points is clearer than the image of Shugen you're currently using because the first two images are not directly related to Tao, but rather about the knowledge of body structure. I believe using Gabimaru's scan would be better.
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Tao is directly mentioned in the scans, huh? Maybe not mentioned directly but it is mentioned that you can target vital points by divining the structure of one's life force, aka Tao.
 
Yes, but I think the image of Gabimaru is much clearer and has a better description of the weak aura. I didn't say that the image of Shugen has nothing to do with Tao, but I believe that the image of Gabimaru is much clearer.
 
And the first two images of Shugen are also unrelated to Tao. I'm afraid that some people might get confused about this matter.
 
I know, but I'm just afraid that some people might get confused because I use this scan to refer to the Pressure Points of Shugen. What I mean is just to convey that using Gabimaru's image will have a better description than just that.
 
I just remembered that some of the Lord Tensen can create illusions with Tao. Should add Illusion Creation in Tao page?
 
High Hypersonic is a speed range achieved when He use Tao. I'm not sure if the key that hasn't used Tao can reach High Hypersonic because the context implies that He is faster than before when He become aware of Tao.
 
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