Jaune Arc vs Ochako Uraraka

[Nierre]

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[Nico-v11]

Actually that's just for people who start using Aura like Oscar, but it eventually becomes subconscious via training

It’s not “subconscious” but more an instinctive reaction. Like how a boxer instinctively blocks punches.

 

[Spinoirr]

It’s not “subconscious” but more an instinctive reaction. Like how a boxer instinctively blocks punches.

Nah the gide book says otherwise, it becomes passive via training it to become passive

 

[Nico-v11]

1. No I don’t. Weekly is straight incorrect that Aura block touch based abilities. Yes, it works as a forcefield, but as was proven and LITERALLY DEBUNKED in a previous thread, touch based transmutation works on things with Aura. There is never any indication that Aura genuinely blocks hax like abilities due to being a “forcefield”, the only protection is gives is against temperature. You have to PROVE that it would resist something as strange as Zero Gravity. Trying to label it as “a quirk so it’s biological so it gets blocked” is ridiculous. Are you saying that New Order is a biological thing? Quirks aren’t well defined enough for you to claim they just don’t work on Aura.

2. Again? Prove this? Why would it not affect him totally? If he’s attached to the Aura and his aura begins to float, do you just think he won’t go anywhere? Hell his aura shouldn’t be able to do anything here against this in the first place, how would it ever “tank” a hax based ability? We have seen Aura block attacks, there is ZERO reasoning for it to block hax. Zero Gravity is absolutely a meta physical thing, unless you want to biologically explain how the pads on her fingers can literally strip the laws of gravity away from you. And then explain why that wouldn’t work through Aura, which doesn’t protect you whatsoever from abilities such as that.

3. Big advantage how? Sure, his shield is now weightless, but if he ever loses hold of it, which he has done MANY TIMES in his fights, then bye bye shield. Jaune is immobile as hell while Ochako can fly and use objects for ranged attacks. He’s still just a sitting duck that can’t do much. He gets range spammed and can’t touch her cause she’s flying.

????????????????

No one has even given Jaune a win condition yet, just ways for him to not get affected by Zero Gravity. What are you even FRA’ing?

So far the only person with a win con stated is Ochako, who just flies up and uses Zero Satellites to kick his ass. What the hell is Jaune supposed to do against that? Are you trolling?

This is also a lie btw. Nothing on the Aura ability page says it can block touch based hax. We had a literal crt that explained that Aura would not block touch based transmutation. There is zero reason any touch based hax should not work on those with Aura. Aura does not block it, you are assuming that with no evidence. Prove Aura blocks it in the first place and then we can go somewhere, cause being able to be touched through your Aura has already been established in a previous thread.

Also it’s been 3 months and no crt like this has been made, so why even mention it at all unless you were just trying to stall this particular fight or attempt to sway people onto your side with “it WILL be there eventually!” Knowing damn well it won’t or might just get rejected.

To sum things up:

Jaune has no presented win condition.

Ochako’s Quirk works on Jaune unless someone can prove Aura blocks touch based hax abilities.

Claiming something “biological” will be blocked is stupid as hell and meaningless.

No crt for Aura blocking ANY kind of touch based ability has been made or likely will be made. Aura does not block that stuff, as proven in a prior crt.

1. Zero gravity has never been shown to work on anything like aura. Whether that is something like a forcefield, something that may or may not have its own weight. We don’t even know if aura is affected by gravity or if it’s just a projection surrounding the body. You’re making many assumptions about how zero gravity would affect something that has no clear gravity to begin with.

2. “Aura begins to float” prove that aura would float. Use science and prove that a forcefield manifested by a soul has gravity to begin with. You can’t.

There’s a gap between aura and the human body. We have literally seen this in Vol 1. Zero gravity needs to affect that which is touching at the very least, but also we don’t how her quirk would even interact with something like aura to begin with. Hell her quirk has a better chance of making oxygen weightless and sending zero gravity to a person’s lungs than through aura. Seeing how we KNOW oxygen has weight and is affected by gravity, opposed to aura which we cannot confirm does.

3. Weightless shield means it’s easier to maneuver. Have you ever held a shield? A light shield is MUCH more convenient.

Voting Jaune because Ochaco’s main method of attack has no confirmation of working on Jaune and she has a clear limit on how many times she can use her quirk before she becomes immobilized (nauseous).

 

[Nico-v11]

Nah the gide book says otherwise, it becomes passive via training it to become passive

Does it say that? Haven’t read it. Seems contradictory to what Vol 5 said

 

[Spinoirr]

Does it say that? Haven’t read it. Seems contradictory to what Vol 5 said

Not really

Ren: Your body isn't used to this kind of training, not to mention generating a defensive Aura on your own. It takes intense concentration at first, but in time it will become second nature, allowing you to deflect attacks and gradually heal your wounds. After that, you can begin focusing on your Semblance, whatever that may be.
- ren talking about Oscar who is new to having a Aura in vol 5 episode 4

Defense: Demonstrated by Ren in the Emerald Forest and explained by Pyrrha. Aura is mainly used for defensive purposes. Ren used his to block the fangs of a King Taijitu that was attacking him. While users of Aura will not be hurt as long as their Aura is up, they can still feel sensations such as pain and heat.[3] It requires training to always subconsciously have a cloak of Aura on.
- from the rwby wiki

 

[Nico-v11]

Not really

Ren: Your body isn't used to this kind of training, not to mention generating a defensive Aura on your own. It takes intense concentration at first, but in time it will become second nature, allowing you to deflect attacks and gradually heal your wounds. After that, you can begin focusing on your Semblance, whatever that may be.
- ren talking about Oscar who is new to having a Aura in vol 5 episode 4

Defense: Demonstrated by Ren in the Emerald Forest and explained by Pyrrha. Aura is mainly used for defensive purposes. Ren used his to block the fangs of a King Taijitu that was attacking him. While users of Aura will not be hurt as long as their Aura is up, they can still feel sensations such as pain and heat.[3] It requires training to always subconsciously have a cloak of Aura on.
- from the rwby wiki

We’ve seen times where aura hasn’t been broken and they have been damaged. Sun getting stabbed by Ilya and there being blood. His aura never broke, it was also from behind and he didn’t notice her

 

[Kingofwolves999]

1. Zero gravity has never been shown to work on anything like aura. Whether that is something like a forcefield, something that may or may not have its own weight. We don’t even know if aura is affected by gravity or if it’s just a projection surrounding the body. You’re making many assumptions about how zero gravity would affect something that has no clear gravity to begin with.

2. “Aura begins to float” prove that aura would float. Use science and prove that a forcefield manifested by a soul has gravity to begin with. You can’t.

There’s a gap between aura and the human body. We have literally seen this in Vol 1. Zero gravity needs to affect that which is touching at the very least, but also we don’t how her quirk would even interact with something like aura to begin with. Hell her quirk has a better chance of making oxygen weightless and sending zero gravity to a person’s lungs than through aura. Seeing how we KNOW oxygen has weight and is affected by gravity, opposed to aura which we cannot confirm does.

3. Weightless shield means it’s easier to maneuver. Have you ever held a shield? A light shield is MUCH more convenient.

Voting Jaune because Ochaco’s main method of attack has no confirmation of working on Jaune and she has a clear limit on how many times she can use her quirk before she becomes immobilized (nauseous).

My brother, you didn’t address anything I actually said.

1. Aura does not work against ANYTHING like Zero Gravity. It prevents damage, not being touched. You’re just repeating the same thing about “but it’s a forcefield tho” when it doesn’t act like how you’re assuming.

2. That wasn’t even my main point, once again, you are not reading. And what gap? You mean the one time in V1 where Ren blocked those fangs, an ability that never came up again and has been disproven to even be possible? The same thing that was brought up IN THE THREAD I LINKED where it was debunked?? You’re not even paying attention anymore just spouting old arguments.

3. Didn’t even LOOK at my comment huh? Are you serious? Why are you even typing if you can’t bother to ready what I’m actually saying? Or are you just avoiding it because you don’t have an argument?

Ochako’s “main method of attack” is USING ZERO SATELLITES. IT IS NOT TOUCHING JAUNE. SHE OUT RANGES AND OUT MANUEVERS HIM WITH FLIGHT.

You are simply not reading if you think “oh she doesn’t float him so she loses” is in anyway a wincon for Jaune. He can’t touch her. She’s in the air. She range spams and beats his ass causes she’s over 2x stronger than him with better stamina feats. He loses and it’s not even close.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

We’ve seen times where aura hasn’t been broken and they have been damaged. Sun getting stabbed by Ilya and there being blood. His aura never broke, it was also from behind and he didn’t notice her

Animation inconsistency. You know, cause RWBY is a bad show animation wise for a large portion of it? Like how we never see Aura break in multiple cases but characters still get hurt in volume 1? The arguments against and for Aura are tired and used, you are literally behind the times using V1 arguments but then claiming consistency.

 

[KingNanaya]

gonna vote Ochaco FRA

 

[Spinoirr]

We’ve seen times where aura hasn’t been broken and they have been damaged. Sun getting stabbed by Ilya and there being blood. His aura never broke, it was also from behind and he didn’t notice her

Actually Sun was tried and his semblance vanished before that

The only reason his semblance would vanish is if he ran out of Aura, because Semblances are powered by Aura. Why would he stop using his semblance when his goal was to dog pile her with his semblance to hold her down

Also it was in a volume with Production issues due to gray taking most of the team to work on gen lock

 

[Knifeman29]

Ochako fra fra

 

[Mickey1940]

Ochako gets my vote

1. High 8C vs 8B, aura ain't helping him tank the AP advantage here

2. Skill, Jaune at this point in the series has really dogshit skill compared to Ochako who's a master of Gunhead Martial Arts which is basically Judo on steroids. if Jaune gets close (which he has to) she's treating his face like a gardening hoe

3. Ochako's quirk should be able to affect Jaune since there shouldn't really be anything stopping it in the first place? I don't see why Zero Gravity wouldn't work here

4. Even if her Quirk doesn't work, she can beat up Jaune with Gunhead Martial Arts alone, not to mention she can fly, has massively superior manuverability, and can pelt him with Zero Satellite or Home Run Comet, and bury him with Meteor Storm late in the game


heck even if they fought in an area without any debris for Ochako to abuse, she's just way more skilled than Jaune could ever hope to be at this point, and she ust suplexes him over and over until he dies

 

[Knifeman29]

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