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Jaune Arc vs Ochako Uraraka
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Hoo wee, Jaune is not gonna have a fun time here.
First off, Ochako is WELL over 13.7 tons in attack potency, while being even higher in durability with 26.67 tons from a not holding back Bakugo in her weakest key.
Jaune is at best around 9 tons, so he’s several times weaker. He’s outclassed in versatility as well given his semblance isn’t very useful here, and he doesn’t have his dust stuff yet, with even that not really enough to tip the scales.
With her gauntlets able to deflect his sword attacks, all Ochako needs is a tap with some gunhead martial arts to send him flying or disarm him. Then it’s just smacking him from numerous angles with her Zero Satellites while he’s helpless in the air until he goes down.
Also he doesn’t really have an answer to her being able to fly.
First off, Ochako is WELL over 13.7 tons in attack potency, while being even higher in durability with 26.67 tons from a not holding back Bakugo in her weakest key.
Jaune is at best around 9 tons, so he’s several times weaker. He’s outclassed in versatility as well given his semblance isn’t very useful here, and he doesn’t have his dust stuff yet, with even that not really enough to tip the scales.
With her gauntlets able to deflect his sword attacks, all Ochako needs is a tap with some gunhead martial arts to send him flying or disarm him. Then it’s just smacking him from numerous angles with her Zero Satellites while he’s helpless in the air until he goes down.
Also he doesn’t really have an answer to her being able to fly.
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Bruh, you can’t be serious.
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Ruby kind of whoops her.
She's a vastly superior fighter and isn't going to be as affected by Uravity's Quirk thanks to her Semblance. While there is an AP difference, Ruby has a sharp/piercing weaponry and Aura to make up for that. She also possess superior lifting strength so she cannot be restrained by Uravity's grappling moves.
She can increase her speed with her Semblance, which can also confuse Uravity by phasing through her. Her sheer mobility is in a completely different level.
And possesses multiple types of ranged attacks as well with different types of Dust. If this isn't agreed to be a stomp, than it's a low difficulty win for Ruby.
She's a vastly superior fighter and isn't going to be as affected by Uravity's Quirk thanks to her Semblance. While there is an AP difference, Ruby has a sharp/piercing weaponry and Aura to make up for that. She also possess superior lifting strength so she cannot be restrained by Uravity's grappling moves.
She can increase her speed with her Semblance, which can also confuse Uravity by phasing through her. Her sheer mobility is in a completely different level.
And possesses multiple types of ranged attacks as well with different types of Dust. If this isn't agreed to be a stomp, than it's a low difficulty win for Ruby.
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You know what? **** it let’s put Cardin Winchester instead of Ruby. I bet he hasn’t even had any threads.
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He does have an advantage in weaponry seeing how she can’t actually use her techniques on him. The sword and shield are a great counter for that.
She’s also not actually a brawler so her combat will be mostly relegated to using debris and whatnot against him.
On the off chance that she somehow gets a hold of him his lifting class will make it so that it’s IMPOSSIBLE for her to actually do anything to him (judo throws and such).
There’s also the factor that we don’t know how her quirk would even affect Jaune and his aura. I mean aura blocks semblances such as transmutation so it’s not out of the question that Jaune’s body wouldn’t get affected. Perhaps the “aura” would get affected instead…….but we don’t really know how aura interacts with the laws of gravity (or most physics I guess).
She’s also not actually a brawler so her combat will be mostly relegated to using debris and whatnot against him.
On the off chance that she somehow gets a hold of him his lifting class will make it so that it’s IMPOSSIBLE for her to actually do anything to him (judo throws and such).
There’s also the factor that we don’t know how her quirk would even affect Jaune and his aura. I mean aura blocks semblances such as transmutation so it’s not out of the question that Jaune’s body wouldn’t get affected. Perhaps the “aura” would get affected instead…….but we don’t really know how aura interacts with the laws of gravity (or most physics I guess).
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Her gauntlet hooks let her outrange him with her Zero Satellites, and he has no counter to her just flying away.
Aura does not block transmutation, that got removed.
Lifting Class =/= Weight. She can throw him around, he just overpowers her if he applies opposite motion. Which she doesn’t really need to do since she can just tap him after dodging and start smacking him with objects while he can’t do anything in the air.
And yes, she is not really a brawler. That doesn’t matter if she picks up a car and smack Jaune with it while he’s in the air.
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1. Agreed but she’s not beating him head on.
2. She’s not directly touching him so her quirk would affect only his aura, which doesn’t have a weight to it (that we know of anyway). We’ve seen aura have physical properties so we can surmise that it aura will be affected by the quirk. As such it will be a barrier between her hands and his body.
3. Correct. However that only applies if she ever gets to touch him. Which there are 2 big factors preventing that: 1. His sword and shield which will prevent close contact with him and 2 his aura which acts as a barrier between him and her quirk (whatever her fingers touch becomes weightless, in this case the aura does, not the body).
4. He won’t be in the air in this situation.
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You would need to prove his Aura blocks something like this in the first place. “He has aura so he can’t be affected by touch based abilities” is not an accepted ability for Aura, and in fact has several antifeats, most notably WITH touch based transmutation. It’s far more likely that he is affected by touch-based gravity manipulation than not.
Unless Aura has some kind of feat where it blocks touch based Hax similar to Ochako’s, there’s is no reason it would not work on him.
If she touches his shield, it would become weightless, regardless of Aura for the same reasons that he would become weightless. Again, you have to actually prove that Aura blocks hax such as this.
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1. You would need to prove that Ochaco’s quirk can affect forcefields that are manifestations of souls. Which even if it does, it would affect the aura only and not the rest of the body since there’s a gap between aura and the body (as seen when Ren uses it in Vol 1).
2. If it doesn’t block then it tanks, in which case the aura is affected but not the body. We have seen aura block physical attacks plenty of times, which Ochako’s hands are. Quirk’s are biological and purely an extension of the body in a sense. Nothing metaphysical is going on.
3. If she touches the shield then Jaune has a weightless shield, that’s a HUGE positive for him.
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That is an accepted thing for aura actually, it's on the aura ability page and is foing to be expanded on with the upcoming aura update crt
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Bump.
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Voting Jaune for my reasons.
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1. No I don’t. Weekly is straight incorrect that Aura block touch based abilities. Yes, it works as a forcefield, but as was proven and LITERALLY DEBUNKED in a previous thread, touch based transmutation works on things with Aura. There is never any indication that Aura genuinely blocks hax like abilities due to being a “forcefield”, the only protection is gives is against temperature. You have to PROVE that it would resist something as strange as Zero Gravity. Trying to label it as “a quirk so it’s biological so it gets blocked” is ridiculous. Are you saying that New Order is a biological thing? Quirks aren’t well defined enough for you to claim they just don’t work on Aura.
2. Again? Prove this? Why would it not affect him totally? If he’s attached to the Aura and his aura begins to float, do you just think he won’t go anywhere? Hell his aura shouldn’t be able to do anything here against this in the first place, how would it ever “tank” a hax based ability? We have seen Aura block attacks, there is ZERO reasoning for it to block hax. Zero Gravity is absolutely a meta physical thing, unless you want to biologically explain how the pads on her fingers can literally strip the laws of gravity away from you. And then explain why that wouldn’t work through Aura, which doesn’t protect you whatsoever from abilities such as that.
3. Big advantage how? Sure, his shield is now weightless, but if he ever loses hold of it, which he has done MANY TIMES in his fights, then bye bye shield. Jaune is immobile as hell while Ochako can fly and use objects for ranged attacks. He’s still just a sitting duck that can’t do much. He gets range spammed and can’t touch her cause she’s flying.
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No one has even given Jaune a win condition yet, just ways for him to not get affected by Zero Gravity. What are you even FRA’ing?
So far the only person with a win con stated is Ochako, who just flies up and uses Zero Satellites to kick his ass. What the hell is Jaune supposed to do against that? Are you trolling?
This is also a lie btw. Nothing on the Aura ability page says it can block touch based hax. We had a literal crt that explained that Aura would not block touch based transmutation. There is zero reason any touch based hax should not work on those with Aura. Aura does not block it, you are assuming that with no evidence. Prove Aura blocks it in the first place and then we can go somewhere, cause being able to be touched through your Aura has already been established in a previous thread.
Also it’s been 3 months and no crt like this has been made, so why even mention it at all unless you were just trying to stall this particular fight or attempt to sway people onto your side with “it WILL be there eventually!” Knowing damn well it won’t or might just get rejected.
To sum things up:
Jaune has no presented win condition.
Ochako’s Quirk works on Jaune unless someone can prove Aura blocks touch based hax abilities.
Claiming something “biological” will be blocked is stupid as hell and meaningless.
No crt for Aura blocking ANY kind of touch based ability has been made or likely will be made. Aura does not block that stuff, as proven in a prior crt.
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Aura protects the user from ATTACKS. It blocks things in response to being HARMED. There is no reasoning for it to block in response to Jaune being touched and his gravity taken away, same way Neptune’s didn’t activate to stop his glove from being turned to gold.
So until someone gives ACTUAL EVIDENCE for it to not work, and not just headcanon about “it’s a forcefield so it blocks it”, then he is taking a trip through the sky.
So until someone gives ACTUAL EVIDENCE for it to not work, and not just headcanon about “it’s a forcefield so it blocks it”, then he is taking a trip through the sky.
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Link to thread that proved Aura doesn’t block touch based hax. Zero Gravity is touch based hax unless you have something that says otherwise/that it relies on Attack Potency.
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Aura blocks something whenever the user activates it as stated in Vol 5. It is not passive, it requires the user to produce it. It works as a barrier and is a manifestation of a soul. Does aura have weight? Does it operate under the laws of gravity? Does it have mass? Is it matter?
You CANNOT argue that something like zero gravity can affect aura when we know literally none of those properties.
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Your argument is that Aura, as a forcefield, prevents you from being touched and affected by touch based hax.
You are directly contradicted by the verse itself, as Neptune’s clothes can be turned to gold by someone touching him with his Aura up. Aura covers clothes. It went through his aura.
You are the one trying to prove something with no evidence right now. Touch bases hax works on Aura. This has been established already.
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It would affect JAUNE. Not his aura, but himself. The Aura would do nothing to the property affecting him that removes gravity. It cannot block that. It would affect him like it would anyone else. You have to PROVE it would do anything
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can ochako's power work through things like clothing or armor?
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She has to make contact with his body, but it can be through his clothes. Like, if she just touches the hood of his jacket, then only his jacket will become weightless, but if she touches his sleeve enough to feel his arm or his jeans to feel his leg, then his entire body will float.
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Actually, it DOES work through armor. She managed to make Iida float despite his armor when he had to catch up to Deku. And with just a quick swipe.
So yeah, it will just flat out work on Jaune if she touches him head on and not just a loose part of his clothes.
So yeah, it will just flat out work on Jaune if she touches him head on and not just a loose part of his clothes.
