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Izuku Midoriya vs Monkey D. Luffy

Luffy takes this via his his speed Amps with gear second and his rsesistance to blunt force. Deku can still use black whip against him so this won't be a stomp either
 
Deku is going through big changes right now, so matches for him are on semi-hold until he reveals all of his abilities and we know what they do.

Also, I’m assuming Luffy starts in Second Gear since it’s his 7-B version
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Deku is going through big changes right now, so matches for him are on semi-hold until he reveals all of his abilities and we know what they do.

Also, I’m assuming Luffy starts in Second Gear since it’s his 7-B version
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He can start out with either gear 3rd or 2nd since both are 7-b
 
I saw someone put final saga deku vs all might so i thought i could too, so rn 0-2 for the monkey man. Though i think deku could pull it off, and fight similar to how he fought muscular.
 
I mean, none of the two above even mentioned that Deku has permanently active pre cog, that he is scaling to 3x Luffy’s AP, that he has higher LS or that he’d easily be able to understand all of Luffy’s abilities to avoid and counter them.

But as I mentioned, until we know his last 2 quirks, there’s not much to argue that would be accurate.
 
actually in the most recent chapter we found out the 2nds quirk, Fa Jin which enables him to stockpile kinetic energy and release it one powerful burst.
 
Triggered said:
actually in the most recent chapter we found out the 2nds quirk, Fa Jin which enables him to stockpile kinetic energy and release it one powerful burst.
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That is the 3rds quirk, and we actually don’t know how it works precisely. He just activated it, so people are merely speculating on what it does based off the name and the fact that it is a type of amp.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Deku is going through big changes right now, so matches for him are on semi-hold until he reveals all of his abilities and we know what they do.

Also, I’m assuming Luffy starts in Second Gear since it’s his 7-B version
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He can Start With Gear third To, So gear 2 Still Have to Amps his Speed
 
Anyway resistance to blunt force will make most of deku's attack a lot weaker so he will have to rely upon black whip for majority of damage
 
I mean, if you guys just want to debate here;

Deku uses Danger Sense to avoid all of Luffy's attacks in Gear 3rd while his base dura remains at 7-C, meaning Deku one shots him, rendering it entirely useless for this fight. This leaves Luffy with only 2nd Gear. Assuming he starts in 3rd Gear, which is an incredibly strange assumption to begin with since 2nd Gear is clearly his more commonly used gear at this stage but whatever, then he gets the speed amp from it and is faster than Deku.

Deku can deal with 2nd Gears speed amp, and Luffy himself, in several ways with what he has currently on his page:

1st, Smokescreen blocks all of Luffy's vision. I'm certain Luffy has ways of clearing the smoke, but his actual capabilities of fighting blind are not there, especially since his observation haki is incredibly new and inconsistent as heck. This gives Deku a distinct advantage since he can permanently sense Luffy while Luffy can't. Even if he doesn't use the smoke to fight him with, it gives him several escape methods for Luffy's attacks, as well as more time to strategize and build up energy for his Fa Jin.

2nd, Blackwhip is inescapable for Luffy due to the large LS difference. From what I'm understanding, Luffy scales to stronger than the 1e+9 kg feat he has, which makes him over 10x weaker than Deku's LS feat of restraining Shigaraki. If he reacts to Luffy even once, he can grab onto him with Blackwhip and limit his movement tremendously, while also giving himself an incredibly easy way to hit him.

3rd, Fa Jin. Deku has his own speed amp, so the argument of 2nd Gear wins because of it being a speed amp isn't even applicable. They both have amps to their statistics, but unfortunately for Luffy, Deku doesn't need his to be Low 7-B. It's stacking on top of his already superior stats. So the difference in strength is being furthered by his usage of Fa Jin, and Luffy's own speed amp is rendered null, on top of him already being predicted by Danger Sense.

4th, Luffy is not immune to blunt force. Luffy is resistant to blunt force attacks, but he is demonstrably not immune to them. Izuku already has an around 3x AP advantage over Luffy, so it's not like he's going to be shrugging the hits off like they're nothing because "lol he's rubber." Factor in Fa Jin, and that gap is widened even further. We're also not taking into account that, apparently, Luffy can't even hold on to 2nd Gear for super long periods of time? So he's operating on a time limit for 2nd Gear that could lead to his downfall.

5th, Deku can and has adapted to higher speed opponents before, and that was before he had literal precognition and his own speed amp, as well as nearly a year less of experience. Assuming he is just going to be totally helpless when Luffy speed amps, as if there is nothing he can do to react to him or get around it, is ridiculous. Deku has as long as his own stamina to figure out Luffy's attack patterns, movements, abilities and thought processes, as well as multiple ways to stall the fight out to further his analysis of him. That's why he has Analytical Prediction on his profile.

6th, Deku's unknown 2nd Quirk could literally be an Anti-Luffy ray gun, hence why matches for him shouldn't be happening right now anyway.

I find it incredibly strange that not only are the arguments for Luffy's side determined solely on the basis that he starts in 3rd Gear so he can attain the speed amp to 2nd Gear, but that it is solely for that and his general resistance to blunt damage that he simply triumphs over Izuku. The stat and versatility differences weren't even considered lol. No one here thinks to mention that Deku literally just showed he can stat amp, even specifically for his speed, today? That win con isn't even a thing, the speed is going to constantly be equal, even more so when factoring in Danger Sense predicting all of Luffy's attacks. The fact that the only win condition for Deku that was even brought up was Blackwhip is concerning to me.
 
Actually, in regards to smokescreen, Luffy can smell Deku and has enhanced senses, so it isn't that useful. But that's kinda just par for the course with that quirk, and doesn't matter much in the long run other than stalling for a bit. The rest of my arguments stand.
 
3x AP Advantage doesn't do Anything To Luffy, Luffy Tanking an attack From Kizaru ans still can Fight.
Luffy can also Predicting the Opponent Movement by Using His Instinct.
 
WrongIdea21 said:
3x AP Advantage doesn't do Anything To Luffy, Luffy Tanking an attack From Kizaru ans still can Fight.
Luffy can also Predicting the Opponent Movement by Using His Instinct.
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Are you trying to tell me that Kizaru kicked luffy at full force in an attempt to kill him?

Deku’s precog is better due to being an actual ability that is permanently active and alerts him of any attack coming his way, whether it’s faster than he is or not. Combined with his own stat amp, he should very much be able to keep up with and damage Luffy. Also, if that’s the case, shouldn’t Luffy have Precognition on his page other than being noted as an inept Haki user?
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
I mean, if you guys just want to debate here;

Deku uses Danger Sense to avoid all of Luffy's attacks in Gear 3rd while his base dura remains at 7-C, meaning Deku one shots him, rendering it entirely useless for this fight. This leaves Luffy with only 2nd Gear. Assuming he starts in 3rd Gear, which is an incredibly strange assumption to begin with since 2nd Gear is clearly his more commonly used gear at this stage but whatever, then he gets the speed amp from it and is faster than Deku.

Deku can deal with 2nd Gears speed amp, and Luffy himself, in several ways with what he has currently on his page:

1st, Smokescreen blocks all of Luffy's vision. I'm certain Luffy has ways of clearing the smoke, but his actual capabilities of fighting blind are not there, especially since his observation haki is incredibly new and inconsistent as heck. This gives Deku a distinct advantage since he can permanently sense Luffy while Luffy can't. Even if he doesn't use the smoke to fight him with, it gives him several escape methods for Luffy's attacks, as well as more time to strategize and build up energy for his Fa Jin.

2nd, Blackwhip is inescapable for Luffy due to the large LS difference. From what I'm understanding, Luffy scales to stronger than the 1e+9 kg feat he has, which makes him over 10x weaker than Deku's LS feat of restraining Shigaraki. If he reacts to Luffy even once, he can grab onto him with Blackwhip and limit his movement tremendously, while also giving himself an incredibly easy way to hit him.

3rd, Fa Jin. Deku has his own speed amp, so the argument of 2nd Gear wins because of it being a speed amp isn't even applicable. They both have amps to their statistics, but unfortunately for Luffy, Deku doesn't need his to be Low 7-B. It's stacking on top of his already superior stats. So the difference in strength is being furthered by his usage of Fa Jin, and Luffy's own speed amp is rendered null, on top of him already being predicted by Danger Sense.

4th, Luffy is not immune to blunt force. Luffy is resistant to blunt force attacks, but he is demonstrably not immune to them. Izuku already has an around 3x AP advantage over Luffy, so it's not like he's going to be shrugging the hits off like they're nothing because "lol he's rubber." Factor in Fa Jin, and that gap is widened even further. We're also not taking into account that, apparently, Luffy can't even hold on to 2nd Gear for super long periods of time? So he's operating on a time limit for 2nd Gear that could lead to his downfall.

5th, Deku can and has adapted to higher speed opponents before, and that was before he had literal precognition and his own speed amp, as well as nearly a year less of experience. Assuming he is just going to be totally helpless when Luffy speed amps, as if there is nothing he can do to react to him or get around it, is ridiculous. Deku has as long as his own stamina to figure out Luffy's attack patterns, movements, abilities and thought processes, as well as multiple ways to stall the fight out to further his analysis of him. That's why he has Analytical Prediction on his profile.

6th, Deku's unknown 2nd Quirk could literally be an Anti-Luffy ray gun, hence why matches for him shouldn't be happening right now anyway.

I find it incredibly strange that not only are the arguments for Luffy's side determined solely on the basis that he starts in 3rd Gear so he can attain the speed amp to 2nd Gear, but that it is solely for that and his general resistance to blunt damage that he simply triumphs over Izuku. The stat and versatility differences weren't even considered lol. No one here thinks to mention that Deku literally just showed he can stat amp, even specifically for his speed, today? That win con isn't even a thing, the speed is going to constantly be equal, even more so when factoring in Danger Sense predicting all of Luffy's attacks. The fact that the only win condition for Deku that was even brought up was Blackwhip is concerning to me.
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1. Smoke screen does nothing
2. Luffy got MUCH better range
3. Luffy's speed Amp fully blitzes his opponent.... Deku won't be able to see or react 🤔 even with pre cog
4. Luffy is near immune to blunt force
5. Luffy got the range,stamina and endurance...
6. Won't really matter.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Are you trying to tell me that Kizaru kicked luffy at full force in an attempt to kill him?

Deku’s precog is better due to being an actual ability that is permanently active and alerts him of any attack coming his way, whether it’s faster than he is or not. Combined with his own stat amp, he should very much be able to keep up with and damage Luffy. Also, if that’s the case, shouldn’t Luffy have Precognition on his page other than being noted as an inept Haki user?
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Luffy completely blitz Blueno who has observation haki.... Link ... Deku ain't doing a thing to luffy... Also luffy is a genius in combat and will adapt MUCH more quicker then Deku...
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
1. Smoke screen does nothing
2. Luffy got MUCH better range
3. Luffy's speed Amp fully blitzes his opponent.... Deku won't be able to see or react 🤔 even with pre cog
4. Luffy is near immune to blunt force
5. Luffy got the range,stamina and endurance...
6. Won't really matter.
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1. I noted that
2. He can use Blackwhip at any range? It’s not like he has to use it at range, if he just grabs Luffy’s arm he can use it.
3. And his speed amp isn’t enough to one shot while Deku has precog, so he uses his own speed amp and now they’re relative.
4. Impact Dial
5. He can’t stay in 2nd Gear forever and Deku has high Stamina too on top of losing less of it in this fight because Luffy is weaker than him. Range doesn’t matter because precog.
6. Inb4 the 2nd users quirk is a laser beam and this fight ends with Luffy just getting stabbed through a lot. It does matter, hence why Deku matches are on hold.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Deku’s precog is better due to being an actual ability that is permanently active and alerts him of any attack coming his way, whether it’s faster than he is or not.
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Are you saying it only alerts him that an attack is coming or about to happen?
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Luffy completely blitz Blueno who has observation haki.... Link ... Deku ain't doing a thing to luffy... Also luffy is a genius in combat and will adapt MUCH more quicker then Deku...
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Cool, Deku Speed amps and his precog isn’t observation haki. This comparison means nothing, especially since base luffy was already faster than Bruno.

Deku is a genius at analyzing situations and getting out of them and adapts just as fast. What can Luffy even adapt to here?
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
1. I noted that
2. He can use Blackwhip at any range? It’s not like he has to use it at range, if he just grabs Luffy’s arm he can use it.
3. And his speed amp isn’t enough to one shot while Deku has precog, so he uses his own speed amp and now they’re relative.
4. Impact Dial
5. He can’t stay in 2nd Gear forever and Deku has high Stamina too on top of losing less of it in this fight because Luffy is weaker than him. Range doesn’t matter because precog.
6. Inb4 the 2nd users quirk is a laser beam and this fight ends with Luffy just getting stabbed through a lot. It does matter, hence why Deku matches are on hold.
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Luffy dodges lasers in base form... Impact dial isn't an anti feat... I think it's durability negation... Luffy blitzes people that have speed Amp plus MUCH better pre cog...
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Cool, Deku Speed amps and his precog isn’t observation haki. This comparison means nothing, especially since base luffy was already faster than Bruno.

Deku is a genius at analyzing situations and getting out of them and adapts just as fast. What can Luffy even adapt to here?
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1. No Blueno and base luffy had similar speed...
2. Luffy doesn't need to adapt and will finish this fast
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Luffy dodges lasers in base form... Impact dial isn't an anti feat... I think it's durability negation... Luffy blitzes people that have speed Amp plus MUCH better pre cog...
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Speed is equalized to whatever Low 7-B form Luffy is starting with. The only reason we’re even arguing about a speed amp is because some people raised the strange condition of him starting with Gear 3rd so he can even do a speed amp to begin with.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Speed is equalized to whatever Low 7-B form Luffy is starting with. The only reason we’re even arguing about a speed amp is because some people raised the strange condition of him starting with Gear 3rd so he can even do a speed amp to begin with.
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Luffy starts in base form (in character) and then uses the other gears when he needs too but if luffy starts with 2nd gear it's a full blitz
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Luffy starts in base form (in character) and then uses the other gears when he needs too
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If he starts in base, he gets one shot by any of Deku’s attacks. So he has to start with a gear. That’s the entire reason the first few posts were about him starting in 3rd gear, so that he could get a speed amp and win in the first place.
 
WrongIdea21 said:
Kizaru Consistently Kicking at speed of light.


Idk, but he should
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If the argument here is just that Luffy has High 7-A durability against blunt attacks then the fight is a stomp like all the other Luffy vs Deku threads until he reveals the seconds quirk and it isn’t also blunt force.

Make a crt for it, that’s a pretty important distinction
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Who, Blueno? You realize that Deku is being equalized to Luffy’s speed, and is then amping his own speed further, yes? Why would he not be able to keep up?
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Blueno had the same if not faster than base luffy's speed and luffy in gear 2nd completely blitz him when blueno even used his speed Amp and pre cog which is much better than deku's... Deku has 4-8% chance to win against luffy.... Should be kinda lower but 🤷‍♂️
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
If he starts in base, he gets one shot by any of Deku’s attacks. So he has to start with a gear. That’s the entire reason the first few posts were about him starting in 3rd gear, so that he could get a speed amp and win in the first place.
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Again resistance to blunt force
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Blueno had the same if not faster than base luffy's speed and luffy in gear 2nd completely blitz him when blueno even used his speed Amp and pre cog which is much better than deku's... Deku has 4-8% chance to win against luffy.... Should be kinda lower but 🤷‍♂️
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What? How are you even equalizing these two? Are you claiming Blueno’s speed amp and precog are the exact same as Deku’s? What even gives you the idea his precog is better? Just because it’s Haki? And where are you pulling these random numbers of win chance from?
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
What? How are you even equalizing these two? Are you claiming Blueno’s speed amp and precog are the exact same as Deku’s? What even gives you the idea his precog is better? Just because it’s Haki? And where are you pulling these random numbers of win chance from?
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Wins chance is just my opinion... But yes haki is much better then deku's precog.... Luffy with beginner observation haki was able to sense presence, intent sensing, emotion sensing and more... It literally tells you were the attack will come from kinda like seeing the future but no literally looking into the future
 
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