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why cant Sora revert to his normal form after being transmuted again?
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mind becomes moot when Bill snapswhy cant Sora revert to his normal form after being transmuted again?
sora has been turned into a card/die and still came backmind becomes moot when Bill snaps
You need specific showings of the mind being closed when turned, so send me them now ‘Robo432343’ if that is even your REAL NAME!sora has been turned into a card/die and still came back
his mind was moot
I don't think anyone here is using their real name.You need specific showings of the mind being closed when turned, so send me them now ‘Robo432343’ if that is even your REAL NAME!
If a benefit of "Immortality 8" is combat-applicable to you, i recommend you to learn better.his profile literally explains how its combat applicable, if you dont think its combat applicable then make a CRT
How is this relevant to what we just argue?YOU'RE TELLING ME TO DO BETTER? YOU'RE THE ONE WHO CREATED FAKE SCANS TO UPGRADE SHADOW FIGHT TO LOW 1-C
I think already make my stans clear.By the time Bill is trying to transmute Sora he would already get conceptually haxxed
No shit sherlockI don't think anyone here is using their real name.
Expected comment from someone with an Adam pfpNo shit sherlock
Shion replies about "REAL NAME" is obviously a joke, impersonating Bill's character.Expected comment from someone with an Adam pfp
I was talking about the "no shit sherlock"Shion replies about "REAL NAME" is obviously a joke, impersonating Bill's character.
He already knows its not a real name (I mean, who puts "432343" mid-name?), you don't need to explain something like that... tho if you really want to, that's okay, but don't expect someone not gonna be weirded out by it.I was talking about the "no shit sherlock"
Let me put it like this, this is like claiming that someone with High regeneration can't recover from a scratch, that's not the default, biological transmutation to a partial part of a body changes less than a full conversion to inanimate matter.Heck, that's NLF.
You're basically saying someone with Social Influence (Fear) Users can match with an actual Fear Manipulation Users... that's weird, he can Negate Basic Transmutation doesn't mean he can also negate Biology Transmutation.
Regarding the eye-bat stuff.1. I don't exactly get what you mean, what's the point in giving that scan?
2¹. Passive Fatw Sora is non-combat, and only grants Immo 8
2². Made a CRT about it if you're so unsure, its already on his profile, we can use it for VS Thread
2³. Why Acausal 4 scale to him is because of Nightmare Realm nature that is always lack, and Bill adapted to this for his own.
(The whole "deleting worlds nature" is because of thus Lacking sh*t, he don't like the way of nature works, and decide to remove it on his own)
Sorry for the double post, but uh... Sora resists Mind Manip and stuff per resising darkness.You need specific showings of the mind being closed when turned, so send me them now ‘Robo432343’ if that is even your REAL NAME!
Sora resist his Mind being controlled or does he resist it being shut off? It only seems like control resistance.Ahem, Sora resists Mind Manip and stuff per resising darkness.
Ford clearly shows that he was not conciousness when Bill turned him goldIs this the main reason to claim conciousness being shut off? It seems on that regard they just fall asleep, even Bill admits he's not too sure on them no longer having a conciousness, which Sora resists.
"A heart is the metaphysical and abstract aspect of every existent being, being made of light and/or darkness, while also originating from aspects like memories, emotions and bonds of friendship or negative emotions."Regardless, Sora's "conciousness" is tied to his heart thing, which is a type 1 concept and other things, meaning that Bill can't really disrupt that as he lacks the P&As required for something like that.
yeah but you still need CM 1 interaction to use memory manip on themEven if we somehow assumed that it contained the "conciousness" the page states that the heart is extremely weak to attacks to the things it contains
- Weakness to Memory Manipulation: Memories are a vital component of a heart[4], significant disruption of them can destroy a heart.
yeah but you still need CM 1 interaction to use memory manip on them
yeah man
Nope, the profile clearly states only Memories are CM1you need cm 1 interaction to interact with soras mind
A heart is made from light and/or darkness, both of which make up existenceNope, the profile clearly states only Memories are CM1
Eh, fair then.
"A heart is the metaphysical and abstract aspect of every existent being, being made of light and/or darkness, while also originating from aspects like memories, emotions and bonds of friendship or negative emotions."
No it only contains their memories, thats what the profile says
Even if we somehow assumed that it contained the "conciousness" the page states that the heart is extremely weak to attacks to the things it contains
- Weakness to Memory Manipulation: Memories are a vital component of a heart[4], significant disruption of them can destroy a heart.
Uh... no, the description applies to hearts as a whole, whose components include the conciousness, as much bodies without a host heart to control them aren't alive.Nope, the profile clearly states only Memories are CM1
"Every being has its own heart, within which their memories are bound to."A heart is made from light and/or darkness, both of which make up existence
: The darkness in hearts is the same one that was around since the inception of the universe, and as a component of it that defines existence, it falls as such.
existence includes the mind
Not really, let me tally them upUh... no, the description applies to hearts as a whole, whose components include the conciousness, as much bodies without a host heart to control them aren't alive.
"A heart with no memories is already an empty shell."but not the only one
Okay. Bill can affect CM 1 then, so now are you gonna trust a Gravity Falls supporter rather than the page itself?idk man
i'd rather trust a verse supporter of KH
Okay. Bill can affect CM 1 then, so now are you gonna trust a Gravity Falls supporter rather than the page itself?
I already said earlier, Bill's Transmutation is based on his Biology Manipulation... its main-ability is, Biology, do Sora HAVE RESISTANCE to this?Let me put it like this, this is like claiming that someone with High regeneration can't recover from a scratch, that's not the default, biological transmutation to a partial part of a body changes less than a full conversion to inanimate matter.
I wonder how is this even matches with what we just argued.High regeneration can't recover from a scratch, that's not the default
Open your front door lil bro, I swear I wont jump youGravity Falls
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ur not on there
Memories are "required" for a heart, but aren't the sole component, again, for proof of a heart being a proper conciousness I can just mention a NPC showing that, it's a just a heart with no body to host in a place where typically only hearts reach, showing that the body is irrelevant for a conciousness, instead the whole deal being about hearts on that regard."A heart with no memories is already an empty shell."
I am sorry but I dont really see how you can debunk this quote, which clearly shows that the heart is only memories. I also did not see any kind of feat or quote that said the heart contained the mind in the page, so as someone who doesnt know anything about the verse I am forced to take the side of the profile instead of your words.
Anyways can Sora do anything before Bill snaps?
This still doesn't mean they have Unconventional Resistance.Memories are a component, yes, but not the only one (as much the page reiterates light and darkness also being factors), ultimately the conciousness of characters is portrayed to be the heart itself, as the body is simply a host that does physical stuff for it, that's why they're type 2 abstract concepts in relation to their user, which is indeed listed.
Again. You are completely saying no to a quote from the profile with no reason why. It is literally saying "Heart ONLY contains MEMORIES, If MEMORIES are not there the Heart is EMPTY"Memories are "required" for a heart, but aren't the sole component, again,
bruh where is the only partAgain. You are completely saying no to a quote from the profile with no reason why. It is literally saying "Heart ONLY contains MEMORIES, If MEMORIES are not there the Heart is EMPTY"
"but the heart is made of memories. A heart with no memories is already an empty shell."bruh where is the only part
BRO ARE YOU FU- OMG.bro wtf are u on about