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Itachi's sword upgrade
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When replying to Decieved calling Totsuka Blade a spiritual weapon that has no physical form, you said that there was no proof, did you not?
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They never said "everything they said is wrong"
They're saying that the durability negation part of attacking the soul directly is wrong
Trihexa102
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Bruh you are ignoring Totsuka’s feats with Nagato.
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That he stabbed him and sealed him?
Same exact thing as Orochimaru.
Only thing different is that edos don't have blood drawn from opposing attacks, so we can't really see how it would interact if he was flesh and blood.
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Is the page your mentioning the one I linked? I likely got the raw somewhere maybe.
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I meant in general. Sometimes when Japanese write "soul", it can also be "mind". Whoever made the translation you showed likely went with the "mind" interpretation, as "consciousness".
That's why the raw would be better.
Trihexa102
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That’s my point we can’t disregard a blatant “it’s a spiritual blade “ statement made multiple times cause it has blood on it which might have also been affected by the Totsuka sealing ability.
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We can disregard databook statements if a manga showing says otherwise.
Trihexa102
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There is nothing that shows it says otherwise though , no evidence. The cutting of any enemy can mean its spiritual nature being able to affect the enemy on a spiritual level.
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the damn blood
headcanon
the totsuka blade turns things it seals into spiritual matter, which is why the physical snakes absorbed into it transformed into spiritual matter
it would've turned orange and merged with the blade, which it didn't even start to do yet
don't ignore the antifeats and uplift the supports and say that it's "clear cut" and "no evidence otherwise"
that goes for everyone in here for both sides
Trihexa102
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Bruh like I said there is nothing in that panel that says it couldn't have also Absorbed the '' damn blood".
It's like me saying cause I cut you with a conceptual blade and the only thing noticeable from my perspective was " Physical damage", it didn't affect you on a conceptual level.
There are no anti-feats from what I have seen rereading it, It even supports it by saying it can seal anything( possibly blood included).
Am not trying to just side the OP , its logical and something that can be easily deduced from OP , Unless there is appropriate evidence to disprove it.
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Nobody said it didn't absorb the blood.
I said the blood rested on the blade.
The blade produced blood and blood rested on the blade prior to being sealed.
Trihexa102
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Check that scan again , The blood was getting absorbed it (which made it look like it was Resting) , You can even see the blood flowing more towards the Totsuka blade(moving from the left side to the right side).
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It doesn't appear that you even really understand his point.
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At all
Trihexa102
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His point is the blood is resting on the totsuka blade making it's spiritual nature not so ''accurate''.
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No. Christ.
His point is that it does not phase through opponents, it physically interacts with the world. As evidence by the fact that the blood literally got smeared on it.
Trihexa102
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Bruh like I said just because a conceptual weapon damaged you physically with evidence dosent mean it wouldn't also conceptually, IF it is truly Physical it shouldn't even be able to interact with souls to seal them away.
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...which is why we agreed with Soul Manip via Sealing alongside NPI
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There's no evidence whatsoever that the Totsuka blade damages someone's spirit or any such nonsense.
It has an embedded sealing Jutsu, the blade itself doesn't interact with souls.
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Y’all will see somebody get killed and say “spiritual BFR, can send people to hell by killing them”
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Trihexa102
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Soul Manipulation means to be able to affect souls , it's a spiritual blade by nature and it's been stated multiple times to be so .
For it to seal the Soul it has to be able to interact with it.
Trihexa102
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Limited durability neg would still follow the context as it can only truly affect beings with souls.
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MinatoSparkle
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The manga also says the Totsuka Blade has no physical form
And I'm not even really sure why the fact that it draws blood proves it doesn't have a physical form? Just because it can interact with things that are physical doesn't mean it is physical itself. A ghost can give a person chills by passing through them, that's "interacting" with something physical, but the ghost isn't physical. The definition of physical is just that it's material or related to the body. You can't just look at all these statements for the spirit weapons not being physical and say "Nah they physical." If it was one isolated statement maybe, but there's a preponderance of evidence for a reason. It's clearly what Kishimoto intended, even if you think he didn't portray it properly.
Trihexa102
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Imma give a more in-depth explanation tmr.
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The point is that it doesn't ignore damn durability
Because yall act like since it's a spiritual tool that can "cut down any enemy", it needs dura neg
The proof for durability negation is dogshit
Because yall act like since it's a spiritual tool that can "cut down any enemy", it needs dura neg
The proof for durability negation is dogshit
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Are all naruto threads like this? I feel like I'm talking at several brick walls at once.
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Yeah every single one after maybe March 2022
Old gen Naruto scalers actually had good threads
Godernet
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KT my boy you are incorrect, my threads have been pretty decent
I was gonna try to make a long post on this tomorrow but it seems minds are made up tbh.
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The OP ≠ the supporters of their OPs
Godernet
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ehh I guess, but tbf this is the most heated a Naruto thread has been in a while.
what do you think of Soul Manipulation via Sealing and NPI for now?Look at me! I'm a Mod again!
MinatoSparkle
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With just those I agree the evidence is lackluster. But it's not just that.
-they're stated to be magical, matchless weapons
-Susanoo boasts an "absolutely perfect" offense and defense because of the spirit weapons, which is followed up by the "hyperbolic" statement, which isn't really cause it's just reiterating what was said before, it's absolutely perfect because no enemy can withstand its attacks or damage it
-can cut down any enemy is in a pair with a statement about the Yata Mirror having infinite defense, making it consistent for the spirit weapons to have infinite capability
-material/astral bodies and ninjutsu/physical attacks lose their meaning against the spirit weapons
-Zetsu stated that because of the Yata Mirror's infinite durability AND the Totsuka Blade, Itachi's invincible, implying that the Totsuka Blade has a similar all powerful aspect to the Yata Mirror
There's just quite a bit of consistency to the infinite ability of the spirit weapons being in a pair. For one to ignore all AP and the other to not ignore all durability despite the statements referring to both of them together would be pretty irrational.
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Yata Mirror: Deflect all things
You: Infinite Durability
This is exactly why I'm skeptical about this. These reaches in logic.
Find me a statement of it negating durability and it just not being something that can be chalked up to a simple hyperbole
You: Infinite Durability
This is exactly why I'm skeptical about this. These reaches in logic.
Find me a statement of it negating durability and it just not being something that can be chalked up to a simple hyperbole
MinatoSparkle
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...How is that a reach in logic? If it can deflect all things, it can defend from all things, so it has infinite durability. Maybe durability isn't the right word for it since it doesn't have conventional durability, but my point is just that no attack can breach it. And again, this is backed up by multiple statements. There's the Zetsu one, there's the statement in the databook that it can repel any attack, that all attacks lose their meaning against it, and that it can change every one of its properties to negate incoming attacks,
That perfect irrefutable statement doesn't exist. If it did, we wouldn't be spending so much time arguing linguistics on these statements. Evidence doesn't need to be objective to be valid. At some point, when there's enough consistency, big statements stop being hyperbole and start to just be true. If there were say 100 statements all along the lines of what has been presented so far, would you just call that hyperbole too and dismiss it? I mean you could, but it'd be pretty absurd. Even 7 is a pretty insane number for just 2 different pages of evidence.
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Evidence doesn't need to be objective to be valid.
But evidence needs to be valid.
But so far it's just headass.
But evidence needs to be valid.
But so far it's just headass.
MinatoSparkle
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Ok, how would the statements about the spirit weapons have to be worded for you to accept their ignoring AP/Durability properties to be valid?
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"Can harm anything regardless of durability"
"Can phase through objects and seal them"
"Doesn't physically interact with the world"
"Directly interacts with their soul regardless of the strength of the vessel"
"Can phase through objects and seal them"
"Doesn't physically interact with the world"
"Directly interacts with their soul regardless of the strength of the vessel"
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