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Actually, it makes me consider a wider issue, what do we do about verses that explicitly have different laws of physics to ours?
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Issue with Note 1 of the Tiering System
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How do you think this can be solved?
Unless we discover parallel universes, I don't think we can. I suppose that we could question the multipliers, but those could prove incredibly consistent, and I have no plan for that.
Unless we discover parallel universes, I don't think we can. I suppose that we could question the multipliers, but those could prove incredibly consistent, and I have no plan for that.
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That's actually a real problem, the more I think about it. Once revisions are complete, the Cthulhu Mythos will have High 1-B space-time continua. Dragon Ball is a set of timelines within a timeline. Marvel has a single universe being 2-A and so on.The God Of Procrastination said:
Discerning the A.P. needed to destroy such universes isn't too much of a problem but I can definitely see some issues arising from further feats in such verses.
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That's actually a real problem, the more I think about it. Once revisions are complete, the Cthulhu Mythos will have High 1-B space-time continua. Dragon Ball is a set of timelines within a timeline. Marvel has a single universe being 2-A and so on.
Discerning the A.P. needed to destroy such universes isn't too much of a problem but I can definitely see some issues arising from further feats in such verses.
Also, if a series is confirmed to be different down to the elementary particles and fundamental forces, do we assume that characters from other franchises can interact with them?
Discerning the A.P. needed to destroy such universes isn't too much of a problem but I can definitely see some issues arising from further feats in such verses.
Also, if a series is confirmed to be different down to the elementary particles and fundamental forces, do we assume that characters from other franchises can interact with them?
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I don't think that a series like that exists but if it does then I guess we could try to discern the properties of the matter, energy and forces to see whether they're just different or are completely unable to be interacted with.The God Of Procrastination said:
Besides, it's not like exotic abilities like soul-hax need a character to be made of baryons like us anyway. Otherwise Cthulhu should have immunity to several abilities on the wiki.
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Ok I will make last comment abour this before it gets derailed too much
@Greenshifter
Then multiples are discarded and their feats are actually checked or you are saying if they are 2-C because of multipliers then they are 2-C with that specific power up or form but multipliers wont be used in this case since it cant be used for quantifying the gap between timelines and both scenarios look like right to me since they are different and aren't the same case so it should be evaluated differently
@Planck69
Oh so in second scenario Alice is also baseline 2-C? So if thats the case then both would be equal since both performs a same 2-C feat but in terms of Low 2-C scaling chain Bob is stronger than Alice since he has larger power difference compared to baseline low 2-C but both mutually performs the same 2-C feat so in tier 2-C the low 2-C scaling chain wont matter what matters is their power in 2-C level which is baseline 2-C so they both should be equal I hope it answers your question if not we can continue in messege wall to avoid further derailing
@Greenshifter
Then multiples are discarded and their feats are actually checked or you are saying if they are 2-C because of multipliers then they are 2-C with that specific power up or form but multipliers wont be used in this case since it cant be used for quantifying the gap between timelines and both scenarios look like right to me since they are different and aren't the same case so it should be evaluated differently
@Planck69
Oh so in second scenario Alice is also baseline 2-C? So if thats the case then both would be equal since both performs a same 2-C feat but in terms of Low 2-C scaling chain Bob is stronger than Alice since he has larger power difference compared to baseline low 2-C but both mutually performs the same 2-C feat so in tier 2-C the low 2-C scaling chain wont matter what matters is their power in 2-C level which is baseline 2-C so they both should be equal I hope it answers your question if not we can continue in messege wall to avoid further derailing
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Here's how I've seen the tiers:
Low 2-C to 2-C was always thought of as finite. The problem is that we don't even know for sure the size of our own universe, let alone if there is more than one universe irl, let alone the distance between universes. That's why it was always considered unquantifiable.
So mathematically, being infinitely above Low 2-C would be 2-A. Having infinite infinities between Low 2-C and 2-A almost sounds like high hyperversal.
Low 2-C to 2-C was always thought of as finite. The problem is that we don't even know for sure the size of our own universe, let alone if there is more than one universe irl, let alone the distance between universes. That's why it was always considered unquantifiable.
So mathematically, being infinitely above Low 2-C would be 2-A. Having infinite infinities between Low 2-C and 2-A almost sounds like high hyperversal.
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Why is the gap even relevant when A) it supposedly can't be quantified and B) nobody (as far as I know) has a concrete answer on where it came from?
Secondly, you don't need to destroy the gap between universes to destroy more than one universe. A character can snap his fingers and erase 10 universes without some type of wide explosion or area of effect.
Secondly, you don't need to destroy the gap between universes to destroy more than one universe. A character can snap his fingers and erase 10 universes without some type of wide explosion or area of effect.
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That's actually the complete opposite of what I'm saying because Zeno destroyed 12 universes with a wide range attack, destroying the universes and the gap in between. What I'm saying is that you don't need to destroy the gap only the universes to warrant 2-C.My area said:
This is also where the problem is. It's supposedly mandatory to destroy the gap when that's clear irrelevant. If the gap is so relevant then by our standards a character who destroys the universes and not the gap should be low 2-C.
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I personally agree with someone who doesn't cross "the gap" to not be 2-C at least with how the standards are currently formulated. It's kinda the same as a character duplicating himself and then teleporting to different solar systems to destroy them each individually, rather than the gap in between, but this gives a massive AP difference with someone who also destroys the gap in between. However some stuff like dimensions might have a bigger gap between each other than say timelines which are imposed on each other but vibrating on a different frequency and thus not really having a gap in between or at least not a gap like the many worlds interpretation suggests. Or the opposite where the dimensions have different frequencies and the timelines have a gap.
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Not even the name itself makes any sense. It's called a 5D axis because apparently universes are aligned a 5D axis. So does that mean galaxies are on a 4-D axis? Lmao
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No, but yesterday and you posting that are.
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I beg your pardon?The God Of Procrastination said:
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And if we mathematically model this by writing a dot for a space-time continuum on a 5D-axis, being infinitely superior to said dot means a line (or infinite dots), hence destroying the entire 5D-axis and thus infinite universes and the gaps in between them.
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@Zamasu he means that events throughout time are aligned on a 4D-axis hence 5D makes sense.
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I beg your pardon?
I wasn't trying to insult you, just correcting you.
I wasn't trying to insult you, just correcting you.
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Wait, what about universe creation feats? If a creator deity floating in hyper-space is shown creating 4 universes spaced away from each other in the void and another deity claps and destroys 4 universes at once without an omnidirectional blast (more akin to popping them like bubbles simultaneously), who's 2-C and who's Low 2-C?
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I dont know about other 2-C characters who are in level of 2-C without crossing the gap but crossing the gap would be necessary according to the standards of tiering system and its following the same thing as how multi solar system level isn't just 2 times Solar system level the gap between them is also considered and same for multi galaxy level and so on so characters who actually destroys universes crosses the gap between the universes hence its even destroyed in first place otherwise I dont see how it would be destroyed unless it ignores range somehowZamasu Chan said:
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Universes popping like bubbles is a perfect analogy and this is my question yes.Planck69 said:
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Question, what someone goes Infinitely "stronger' than 2-C but then amps himself again 2 panels later after a few hits from whomever to go "Another infinitity times stronger' and then the process keeps repeating..? They continously increase their power by infinities (Actively) after every few hits on each other?
2nd question) what if a verse has a stat amp power to increase their ap by infinities, and it allows them to cross dimensional gaps? for example, previously only 2-C but due to this power he was able to harm a 5-D Being?
2nd question) what if a verse has a stat amp power to increase their ap by infinities, and it allows them to cross dimensional gaps? for example, previously only 2-C but due to this power he was able to harm a 5-D Being?
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It actually sounds like a slightly discount Masadaverse.
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But it's dimensional.
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I'm not thinking suggsverse or Masada verse but a verse people would be surprised to hear about, but i also didn't mean to imply any verse just an "in general" example
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Transcendence via stat amp??
Low 1-C via a stat amp??
Low 1-C via a stat amp??
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Which one?TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
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@Planck69
In order for him to pop 4 universes like a bubble he needs to interact with it or are you saying that he snaps his finger and 4 universes are popped or something like that? Means either his attack ignores range somehow or either the attack does cross the distance between 4 universes very quickly hence it appeared as simultaneously to us so both would be 2-C for creating/destroying 4 universes separated by each other
@TheUpgradeManHaHaXD
For question 1 I believe they would just keep staying in 2-C end but just be keep being infinitely above baseline I guess after hits? Making them 2-A sounds strange because of infinite multiplier when we dont use it thats the reason for downgrade of Asriel from 2-A to 2-B as infinite multipliers dont work
For question 2 You mean to say that by every stat amp they would jump a dimension?? Then multipliers cant be used since jumping higher dimensional by infinite power increase makes no sense at all so feat would be evaluated and they would be Low 1-C because of hurting 5D provided verse establish higher dimensions as higher infinity
In order for him to pop 4 universes like a bubble he needs to interact with it or are you saying that he snaps his finger and 4 universes are popped or something like that? Means either his attack ignores range somehow or either the attack does cross the distance between 4 universes very quickly hence it appeared as simultaneously to us so both would be 2-C for creating/destroying 4 universes separated by each other
@TheUpgradeManHaHaXD
For question 1 I believe they would just keep staying in 2-C end but just be keep being infinitely above baseline I guess after hits? Making them 2-A sounds strange because of infinite multiplier when we dont use it thats the reason for downgrade of Asriel from 2-A to 2-B as infinite multipliers dont work
For question 2 You mean to say that by every stat amp they would jump a dimension?? Then multipliers cant be used since jumping higher dimensional by infinite power increase makes no sense at all so feat would be evaluated and they would be Low 1-C because of hurting 5D provided verse establish higher dimensions as higher infinity
