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At best I see them as FTL+All kishimoto had to do was not write haku is ls and the whole "og naruto is ls therefore boruto adult naruto is mftl+" would never exist.
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At best I see them as FTL+All kishimoto had to do was not write haku is ls and the whole "og naruto is ls therefore boruto adult naruto is mftl+" would never exist.
Tbf to Kishi. Hakus Mirrors being Light speed doesn’t contradict anything since the only time he ever used it at its best he blitzed Kakashi. Mftl+ Naruto exists because people will use the Hakus mirrors are light speed to mean anything and everything he does is light speed. Similar leap in logic scales happen with OP and Bleach “scalers” on Tik tok for example.I feel like kishimoto didn't plan for any of this to happen and wrote it as a joke.
Its possible to get bleach op and naruto to mftl+ sure. But most of the time they do it in ways I never knew existed. Since when was adult kcm 90 millon times faster then light when in shippuden he had a hard time dodging a none ls attack. But the most inconsistent probably is bleach lol. Tiktok scalers are my favorite scalers because I wake up with a goal in striving to never one day say that "saitama is a gag character made to one punch characters therefore he solos anyone"Tbf to Kishi. Hakus Mirrors being Light speed doesn’t contradict anything since the only time he ever used it at its best he blitzed Kakashi. Mftl+ Naruto exists because people will use the Hakus mirrors are light speed to mean anything and everything he does is light speed. Similar leap in logic scales happen with OP and Bleach “scalers” on Tik tok for example.
Boruto can be FTL+ but someone has to stop these daemon wankers or these boruto stans. They already have boruto above baryon mode naruto.At best I see them as FTL+
There’s just too many people that want to scale their favorites to their highest possible interepation to beat up other verses they dislike it’s so weird tbh.Its possible to get bleach op and naruto to mftl+ sure. But most of the time they do it in ways I never knew existed. Since when was adult kcm 90 millon times faster then light when in shippuden he had a hard time dodging a none ls attack. But the most inconsistent probably is bleach lol. Tiktok scalers are my favorite scalers because I wake up with a goal in striving to never one day say that "saitama is a gag character made to one punch characters therefore he solos anyone"
They do it and then lowball one piece. Saw people say ryou isn't durability negation but somehow gildrats crash magic is.There’s just too many people that want to scale their favorites to their highest possible interepation to beat up other verses they dislike it’s so weird tbh.
or when you prove them wrong and they try to bring in their own interpretation of what it says. Rather than going with what the context is saying and what its talking about.There’s just too many people that want to scale their favorites to their highest possible interepation to beat up other verses they dislike it’s so weird tbh.
yeI personally disagree though I can see where you are coming from.
double yeLore wise there are already many Jutsu by this point that we know are capable of reaching those speeds
EOS attack that some EOS characters far faster than Raikage can dodge and react too with some precog helping(light fang,
Reflexion only nobody react to the reflexion in itselfHaku's mirrors,
i don’t remember exactlypotentially Darui's laser circus,
If you are talking about Tenso no jutsu i don’t even think the Madara Relativistic calc should exist We should create a thread to downgrade itincluding the Jutsu that literally turns objects into photons and moves them at the speed of light not even a Kekkai Genkai just a regular jutsu used by the cloud to transport things.
Nothing contradicts it + tins light and respect light’s related rules of this wikiAlso, Light Fang is generally accepted as light speed from the databook,
It’s more about him having no FEATSnear light speed Raikage shouldn't be treated differently especially since there are no anti feats.
I don’t think they don’t exist they Just won’t Scale a lot of persons since said lot of persons didn’t react for most of the manga (I Also don’t think teen Kakashi lightning legend thing is used here)I understand that the Narutoverse speed for the most part is ambiguous due to the lack of any substantial speed feats in naruto. there's just this huge unquantifiable gap between lightning-speed teen Kakashi and the high tiers. I don't think it's too far-fetched when these Jutsu do exist
Which seems more like a huge outlier for Mu that reacts even before Madaraand the only times a light-speed jutsu was used in a calcable way was Madara and Muu reacting and moving while Tsunade and Ay were approaching them as photons
ik that doesn’t inherently mean they would scale far beyond even thinking Madara is relativistic (which isn’t the case imo) he was far stronger and faster than any of the Kage a Rel+ Raikage would be weirdand Naruto dodging the Light Fang and neither feat was highlighted by the characters to be particularly something impressive.
I see your point ig it’s just different opinions idk which one would prevail here tho(This isn’t me debating the point btw more so just explaining why I think it’s consistent from a power progression and narrative stance.)
The meta i created for Meliodas Ftl + will possibly soon be used on this wiki either the FTL + or the FTL don’t give up on your DreamsIts possible to get bleach op and naruto to mftl+ sure. But most of the time they do it in ways I never knew existed. Since when was adult kcm 90 millon times faster then light when in shippuden he had a hard time dodging a none ls attack. But the most inconsistent probably is bleach lol. Tiktok scalers are my favorite scalers because I wake up with a goal in striving to never one day say that "saitama is a gag character made to one punch characters therefore he solos anyone"
less about the calc itself and more that the raikage(who was stated to be near light speed) also being able to be flung at light speed without sustaining damage despite the jutsu caster explicitly saying the jutsu couldn't be used on any human(except the third raikage) due to the speed at which they're moving. even tsunade couldn't go through the jutsu without taking damage but both raikage were fine. along with Daruis laser circus and Edo Hakus mirrors still being relevant at this point it feels like IMO light speed was starting to become relevant to near kage lvl characters during the war arc.If you are talking about Tenso no jutsu i don’t even think the Madara Relativistic calc should exist We should create a thread to downgrade it
i think this should be closed, i see you are just arguing about luffy's calculation, while naruto is not, i'm just saying that if the one piece calculation is accepted then naruto must also be accepted, or we have to consider both stacking if we consider the naruto case it's stacking, because these two calculations are similarDueDate said that both the Naruto and the One Piece situation should be treated the same.
Yeah, that's pretty much my only thing about this. I don't see a big enough difference between the two calcs in premise where one would be allowed to stand where the other can't. So as long as TB calc is considered the okay to use, I think this Isshiki calc should be fine as well.DueDate said that both the Naruto and the One Piece situation should be treated the same.
Agree with thisYeah, that's pretty much my only thing about this. I don't see a big enough difference between the two calcs in premise where one would be allowed to stand where the other can't. So as long as TB calc is considered the okay to use, I think this Isshiki calc should be fine as well.
or, if this One Piece calculation is still accepted as FTL 8c via raime hakke, then this naruto calculation should be accepted as well.Well when it comes to what we do with the Thunder Bagua calc, I say we delete that and Kaido ends up still being well above baseline FTL anyway through scaling to Whitebeard who has an FTL calc (or if there is a scaling chain there, to Sanji who has an FTL calc).
Permission to close?This is just massive derailment at this point. The OP has been rejected and talks of the method should be brought up in a separate. This thread should also be closed.
No, tf, it shouldn'tor, if this One Piece calculation is still accepted as FTL 8c via raime hakke, then this naruto calculation should be accepted as well.
I'm not the OP, but i think this thread has been derailed enough along with the actual OP being rejected so i think it should be closed.Permission to close?