Your vote's objectively wrong.
"Isshiki should fodderize in raw stats but he can't do anything about;"
Read the entire thread.
He did. He agrees with me because I'm the one who's actually right here.
Or you're just wrong and he wasn't actually that strong. The simpler conclusion that doesn't ignore evidence.
Funny you think I haven’t read the entire thread. I have.
You're right, in your logic going years without training, having no difficulties made them stronger, and stronger than the Rikudou form he used during the war, even going only to his kurama mode today.
Naruto and Sasuke became stronger without doing anything, yes. You're right, like the other.
"without training"...literally stupidity incarnate right there. We literally KNOW FROM THE LAST THAT NARUTO WAS TRAINING.
"without doing anything" can you stop blatantly ******* lying lmao?
I think I have to repeat it again .. 14 years have passed, yes, 14 years since the war .. at the time, or better even before, before the arc of pain naruto used to train steadily, getting stronger .. he won pain for that , and in a short time, he trained again with bee, managing to control the kurama .. and again, he increased his power by making friends with the kurama (All this in a short time, the war itself lasted 1 or 2 days), and again , his power increased with the Six Path Chakra. After the war, peace prevailed .. there is no reason to train, (The end "The Last" is 2 years after the fourth great ninja war, and we can see that naruto did not train, he can beat the villain with just a hit with the power he had), since the film, 12 years have passed, 14 in total, as I said .. since that time, naruto and sasuke do not train .. seriously, I can’t understand how it’s not obvious to you. In boruto we can see the kurama say that the naruto is rusty, for not entering a serious battle for years, this is more than enough proof, since it was the hokage .. he was busy with the hokage shit, there was no villain new or something that might hinder him in another 10 years, why the **** would he be stronger?
Sasuke YES should be stronger, but by PIS, he is not. Maybe he got stronger while looking for the whereabouts of kaguya and his clan, etc, etc ... but then, right ... the protagonist is now boruto, he can't be that strong, the script had to make him weaker, so that it could be overcome by the protagonist. PIS.
And I can say more, about the fight itself against Isshiki ... in the fight against momoshiki he seemed to be stronger, even with half the power. In the classic, against kaguya and etc ... he used thousands of clones, but for some reason ... decided to use 5? Seriously?
That's all you can say against facts, ok
I don't need to respond because you're blatantly ignoring facts. I showed Naruto fighting Madara's clones: PIS. Naruto clashes with Kaguya: PIS. Naruto trains after the war: Didn't happen or not relevant.
Honestly, I don't care anymore. If you really think he got stronger after stopping his efforts for more than ten years, so be it .. and yes, naruto is full of PIS, this is more than obvious, I am not ignoring ******* facts .. I am playing at your face, I could say the same to you, I just can't understand how "Stay still = Stronger"
Alright, alright .. nothing was PIS, everything made sense .. naruto took his power from the ass, and etc ... i'm accepting, ok, now let's see the "facts".
Why did he have to train before The Last? there's no reason for it, but he did anyway. Bad argument.
It's called "six paths sage mode"... he still has it. The only thing he doesn't have anymore is truth-seeking orbs.
That means a whole lot of nothing. It doesn't mean he's weaker. Just means the next generation can be stronger. You've given no reason that the new era should be any weaker than it was previously, even when faced with blatant feats and scaling that would make it so.
Because we're SHOWN NARUTO TRAINING before the last when he HAS NO REASON TO other than personal goals and wanting to be stronger.
Well, if all I said was "Head Canon", then everything you said too. I'm waiting for your proof showing that he trained, especially the proof that he trained while hokage, when he doesn't even have time for his family
I never said he trained while hokage. We KNOW FOR A ******* FACT he trained in the last, which is bare minimum 2 years. Along with getting the other half of the ninetails. Them being weaker is completely nonsensical and complete bullshit used to try to say Madara is somehow stronger than them. He's not.
I really don't remember seeing him train before The last, not that it changes much… from the last until 10 years ago. Anyway, show the training.
I don't care about the correct name. Well, he has the most powerful form ... but is there no use against the supposed most powerful enemy of all? Seriously, is that your argument?
I never said that, if in this case I'm talking about everyone but Isshiki. Boruto is certainly stronger than naruto in the classic, all the current genins are superior to the old ones, but no matter how much they trained .. how to reach a man who obtained the chakra of all the bijuus, has kurama in them (No more), the chakra of a god (Hagoromo), the senin mode and much more? Simple, they can't.
Really .. and as I think I already said, the difference between 2 years and 14 is big. Maybe, maybe not .. "Head Canon", in one way or another, has no right side in this case, since it is "Head canon", as much as my side as yours. One thing is for sure, he did not train while hokage.
I didn't say that, the PIS in question is Naruto cutting his arm, taking speed off his ass for zetsu to speak ill of his friend, obito.
Get a clip of the movie??
Yes. Because the new enemies are STRONGER.
Refusal to believe they can't when they're fighting alien gods is just dumb.
Literally irrelevant. The thing is I've been able to back up mine, you're just going off of "they just can't" and "PIS" to virtually everything.
And I've been arguing not just cutting her arm literally the entire time, dude. Not sure you can read.
"At the very least" .. Head canon. The fact is, he trained before The Last. (I'm saying that he trained by his repetition on this, I don't remember if he trains or not before the last)
No need, I'll just believe
??? Didn't he use his most powerful form because the enemy is stronger? No sense
Boruto is this? At where? Doing the last attack? Ah .. I see, he is on their level for that. Seriously ... it doesn't make sense, rethink your cones.
I'm saying the ******* fact, you're saying that Naruto got stronger despite not showing him training for 10 years and not even mentioning, he got strong sitting on a ******* chair
Mistakes happen, well .. now you know, I was just refusing to Naruto to take the power out of his ass and just cut off her arm. Kaguya is stupid as a stone, if she were a strategist like Isshiki or madara they would have no chance.
Why are you ignoring the fact that he ******* gets the other half of the nine tails from Minato and that's why he can summon the nine tails? Do you think him being a somewhat rusty fighter is gonna drop him from THAT MUCH POWER???
He does. He just can't use truth seeking orbs any more because once they're destroyed they're gone entirely.
No. I'm saying you're saying they just can't be that strong. Which is ******* ********, to be completely frank. If they have feats on that level then they do.
Or the training he did before/during the last and the other half of the nine tails was a ******* unquantifiable amp that then allowed him to fight people of that level?????
But Madara still didn't just beat them anyway. Madara isn't strong enough to, if he was, he would have DONE IT.
I'm not ignoring it, it's just exaggerated ... it doesn't make sense.
But Naruto isn't stupid, he was just a bit rusty. He was still good enough to dick on Momoshiki.
The Last. That's how he was capable of summoning actual Kurama to draw on the moon.
