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That's unquantifiable though.
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Issei vs a busty dragon
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Not how far away a human can see a certain explosion, but we don't know if there was a human that far away. How would she even know which people or how many of them saw the explosions?
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She has clairvoyance
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Looking at the Types, I don't see how any of those would let her know that. Dream Scrying is out cause she didn't go to sleep. Enhanced Sight is out because that doesn't let her know things she would have no way of knowning. The other two types are out for the same reasons enhanced sight is.
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devils also use memory manip as seen when Rias did it to Issei's parents
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@Dragon, I thought it was hypnosis
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hypnosis is memory manip, they used it to change their memory
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kay, what's the score?
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I'm going to vote Issei since he can resist her mind manip, Boost himself, and Divide her. Issei can also use Penetrate to negate her dura and Reflect on her attacks.
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No he can't. Mind control and memory manipulation are not the same thing.DragonEmperor23 said:
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May I ask how that gives Issei the win when she can just one shot him?
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Even if we make the absurd assumption that he can resist memory manipulation because he can resist mind control, she could still:
A) Make a portal under him and send him halfway across the globe
B) Make a portal under him and send him to the dragon world
C) As odd as it sounds, fill his bladder to the point he has no choice but to flee.
Or if it really comes down to it, as Gar pointed out,
D) One shot him
A) Make a portal under him and send him halfway across the globe
B) Make a portal under him and send him to the dragon world
C) As odd as it sounds, fill his bladder to the point he has no choice but to flee.
Or if it really comes down to it, as Gar pointed out,
D) One shot him
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As for A and B, you'd need to show that being used in character, C doesn't cause a win as you generally aren't going to pee for 24 hours, and D is fair, but from the looks of it fighting is OOC. Not sure if SBA takes care of that or not though. I also want to know how in character spacetime warping is for the contestant who doesn't have **** that lead to chronic back pain. Not voting rn.
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How is she going to oneshot him when he can Reflect any magical attack and use precog to dodge any physical attack?
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Depending on how reflection works, it may or may not be an AP thing. Does he reflect through making portals or something, or like a wall that bounces back attacks? The former isn't bound by AP/Durability showings, the latter is.
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The attack stops and goes backwards
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Overpower the reflect which she can do casually because of the AP difference
Spam her attacks next to him since his Precog is nowhere near perfect enough to dodge any attack even omnidirectional
Issei isn't Eldrad Ulthra, his Precog isn't perfect to dodge every attack
Spam her attacks next to him since his Precog is nowhere near perfect enough to dodge any attack even omnidirectional
Issei isn't Eldrad Ulthra, his Precog isn't perfect to dodge every attack
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A and B are in character because she's a pacifist and neither option requires her to harm him. As for C, Idk why I thought fleeing counted as a loss, my bad. And fighting is OOC but SBA says in-character but willing to kill so if it comes down to it she'll have to.
If you ask me that all is irrelevant tho since he can't resist memory manipulation.
If you ask me that all is irrelevant tho since he can't resist memory manipulation.
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Also I'm stealing that image of Lucoa in the OP to replace her profile picture
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Overpower hax with AP? Since when was that a thing? You don't need perfect precog to dodge all your opponents attacks. Issei's precog tells him what Lucoa is going to do next. Reflect can be used on the omni directional ones.
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Reflect isn't Hax, at all, especially those that require pushing it back with TK like Issei's.
Reflect gets overpowered and he isn't going to reflect every single possible projectile from a 360 degree angle in a speed Equalized match, you are vastly overrating his Precog.
Reflect gets overpowered and he isn't going to reflect every single possible projectile from a 360 degree angle in a speed Equalized match, you are vastly overrating his Precog.
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Why do you think it's telekinesis when Issei doesn't even have it on his page? This is like saying you couldn't dodge someone's punches when they tell you where they're going to punch and when.
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It takes force to stop the motion of something. With no further explanation besides "attacks stop and reverse direction", we have to assume that the character must somehow exert some sort of force on the attack to do so. Now if it was done through portals or something then that would be different, but the method here doesn't really leave many other options.
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Because that's how his Reflect works, which isn't even Hax either.
Comparing punches to bullets that surrounds you in a wall that one shot you without knowing how or where to dodge is a ridiculous false equivalency and a terrible NLF.
Literally the amount of times Issei has gotten hit in the series despite his Precog should give you enough.
If you're surrounded by attacks that you can't move to avoid, how do you avoid them? You can't
He doesn't know they can one shot him either, so he attempts to reflect and dies as well.
Comparing punches to bullets that surrounds you in a wall that one shot you without knowing how or where to dodge is a ridiculous false equivalency and a terrible NLF.
Literally the amount of times Issei has gotten hit in the series despite his Precog should give you enough.
If you're surrounded by attacks that you can't move to avoid, how do you avoid them? You can't
He doesn't know they can one shot him either, so he attempts to reflect and dies as well.
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Not really? That's like saying Time Stop is just really good Paralysis.
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That doesn't make any senseDragonEmperor23 said:
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You're calling it TK instead of Reflect hax because it has similar effects.
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Okay fine, it isn't TK
Still doesn't change that an AP based Reflect is useless.
Still doesn't change that an AP based Reflect is useless.
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Generic reflect hax that is independent of durability is not a thing. If he uses his spacetime warping to do it, then sure. But with nothing beyond "Reflects attacks" we have no reason to assume it uses a mechanic independent of AP.
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Because the ability isn't dependent on AP.
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Theoretically she could also rewind time if things actually get dicey for her but she's only ever mentioned she can do it, though she treated it as no big deal.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iBw6v1_6...VKbEwAy7cyDstmn1CPtXdj_swTygCHMYCw/s0/006.jpg
The time they're talking about is a little over a week in the past.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iBw6v1_6...VKbEwAy7cyDstmn1CPtXdj_swTygCHMYCw/s0/006.jpg
The time they're talking about is a little over a week in the past.
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Volume 16 of the LN:
"[Reflect!]
A sound is made when the Dragon Shot hits the White Dragon, and it reflects the mass of demonic-power I shot by creating a wall of light!
And the shot that is reflected hits Euclid! Yeah, this is one of its abilities, reflect!
It can reflect an attack to a certain degree. And it just showed what will happen with my demonic-power. Well, it won't be able to reflect attacks with too much destructive force and will break instead……"
"[Reflect!]
A sound is made when the Dragon Shot hits the White Dragon, and it reflects the mass of demonic-power I shot by creating a wall of light!
And the shot that is reflected hits Euclid! Yeah, this is one of its abilities, reflect!
It can reflect an attack to a certain degree. And it just showed what will happen with my demonic-power. Well, it won't be able to reflect attacks with too much destructive force and will break instead……"
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RIP Reflect
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