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Do you know about how many hours it took you to read? I think I remember you being a relatively fast reader (as you should with how much you seem to read) but still.
My first Majikoi revision was July 13th, A1-2 revision was on November 9th, which by that point I was already done with the whole series, so give or take 6 or so months of reading, though I took weeks off reading here and there. Only read like 2 or 3 hours a day, each series is suppose to take like 20-30 hours to read. So probably 1 series a week i would say.

But yea enough derailing this is the Isekai at Peace discussion thread.
 
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Noooooo don't take my tier 9 away
Technically, Kaito can only deflect blows from a black bear with auto counter

so really, 9-B will get removed since black bears can crush a human with 1 paw swipe but thats about it

Plus good time to mention how bell snacks on the meat of monsters who are tougher then steel and can shatter steel armor if you swing their meat hard enough
 
Tbh tho, there's a bunch of holes scaling everything to tier 7 despite what I said. We don't actually have a clear regard to the strength of an average knight and maid. Like, what kind of maid tho? Perhaps not the one that can split clouds, but someone much weaker instead. And we don't have a clear idea how strong a division commander knight is, maybe they're weaker than Kaori.
 
Tbh tho, there's a bunch of holes scaling everything to tier 7 despite what I said. We don't actually have a clear regard to the strength of an average knight and maid. Like, what kind of maid tho? Perhaps not the one that can split clouds, but someone much weaker instead. And we don't have a clear idea how strong a division commander knight is, maybe they're weaker than Kaori.
Lunamaria was a top ranking adventurer before becoming a maid, and she had to be taught by Illness before becoming one, so you could honestly interpret that as maids>adventurers, though Luna isn't exactly a normal maid, seen as she is currently considered a raising star in the maid world, but again from memory you need a certain level of maid power to enter the Maid Olympia which Luna didn't have before, when she was just below Baron Rank, and only has now due training with Kuro and becoming Baron Rank.

But hard to pin down what should be considered the average maid, if you can enter the Olympia, definitely aren't average though.
 
Being Maid, you have to be
  • able to split clouds
  • move at least at speed of sound
  • smarter than even geniuses
  • can read minds, and discern surface thoughts

Yep, totally normal
I turn my brain off at the maid rot, but you have to be a pretty gifted person to be a maid due to all the requirements to be one, it just so happens everyone relevant is a peerage holder, thus already a genius, but we could beef up the intelligence ratings for maids, will I go through that effort? Probably not lol.

Also don't forget they can part the sea, if only we had some visuals, wouldn't be surprise with some tier 6 results for that. Another thing we need is some Viscount and or Count feats to scale above 7-B, there are suppose to gaps, but we don't know what they are atm.

Also thinking about gaps, Count Rank will be going from 7-B to High 3-A, which yea far bigger than the ranks below, matching statements in the story, but still a ridiculous gap.
 
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They were not kidding when they said that Base Count to Peak Count is a MASSIVE difference

Astronomical even. I think there was mention of there only being 168 Counts in total ? (not sure) with many of them ending up as Peak Count Rank (Executives)

I think its also mentioned that humans who have more potential then demons can end up as peerage holders if they live for 5,000 years which is insane

Btw its funny that Garfiel from RZ is 7-B. He Could maybe fight Caraway or Sieg but yeah not too many choices here
 
I turn my brain off at the maid rot, but you have to be a pretty gifted person to be a maid due to all the requirements to be one,
They really do have their own power system that can only be perceived and understood by being a maid. Since we saw things from both a maid and a non-maid perspective, it made my thoughts fluctuate between “is this for real (serious)?” or “is this chuunibyou something?” So it is impressive that these are actual abilities.
 
Sounds like you have gotten to the Maid Olympia lol.

Maids have their own power system that's kinda useless, it would be useful if we could do a vs match with a maid from another series.
 
it'll be great if we can understand how Ein objectively measure how good a Maid is from third rate Maid to Super Maid so we can have Maid tournament
 
Final Hax Layer Thread.

After this, never want to think about layers again. This should be the last of what I planned to do as well, of course a few stuff has been mentioned here, but don't really feel like doing those, so someone else will have to do it.

I suppose I can do another WC hierarchy thread to again discuss the Epilogue and its tiering, but will leave that for another day, I am tired of talking about the Epilogue, hopefully that thread will finally bury the topic until the author again drops some random lore bomb.
 
Speaking of hax layers, wanted to mention something about fights between world creators in terms of hax. Shiro and Kuro's fight in the past was a pure fistfight because they nullified each other's abilities (174). However, their fight in the final arc, or rather Kuro's fight with Eden, was not the same as it was in the past, they are fighting with their full power (626). Eden was creating worlds and shooting beams from a distance against Kuro rather than engage in a fist fight, meaning her abilities were being used fully in the fight (635). Even Kuro was able to send a flash of light towards Eden and hurt her (636). What does this mean? I have some ideas, one is when they get serious, their hax layers go above their passive power null. The other is they nullify each other's power null to use abilities again, and we know count ranks have this power thanks to author statements on twitter, so world creators naturally upscale from that. I'm more for the former because the nullifying power null thing is less prominent in the story.
 
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What does this mean? I have some ideas, one is when they get serious, their hax layers go above their passive power null. The other is they nullify each other's power null to use abilities again, and we know count ranks have this power thanks to author statements on twitter, so world creators naturally upscale from that. I'm more for the former because the nullifying power null thing is less prominent in the story.
This makes the most sense to me, although it's nonsensical that the characters can nullify powernull :ROFLMAO: . We should have added that to Counts a while ago, but it got forgotten.

They should also have resistances to diseases based on this (Chapter 1722), also looking at this again, even Illness disease manipulation wouldn't work on Lilia, so in her case she has layered resistance.

I also forgot about scaling Mid tier Counts to Laguna's resistance to poisons.
 
Unironically, dismantling the powernull to be able to fight each other seems like a thing skilled people can generally do in iap
 
But nulling powernull layers, how would that work? :unsure: Unless world creators automatically get 4 layers of that due to scaling from the layers below them if that's how the logic works?
 
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Their normal power null will be able null 4 layers of hax, and then this serious power null can nullify that....

Idk how you even list that in a profile, how we currently list it might also be incorrect because the layers aren't based on people resisting power null, but based on their power null working on stuff which has several layers.

Probably best to just explain everything on the profile without attaching any layers to the power null.
 
I don't think powernull working on layered stuff equates to layers of powernull. But it can probably just be mentioned "Nullification of powernullification [layer count]", it would look funny

Also if counts resist diseases, and then true blessings from high ranks also completely nullify diseases...the heck does that mean for layers? Because I think Lilia is resistant due to the blessing of a supreme god. Illness can bypass high ranking god blessings and then count rank
 
Unironically, dismantling the powernull to be able to fight each other seems like a thing skilled people can generally do in iap
If you think about it, the 6 Kings have causality based regen, then all have the ability to nullify regen with causality disruption, but during their fights as far as we can tell still regen, so....
Also if counts resist diseases, and then true blessings from high ranks also completely nullify diseases...the heck does that mean for layers? Because I think Lilia is resistant due to the blessing of a supreme god. Illness can bypass high ranking god blessings and then count rank
Counts normally have resistance to diseases, so that's baseline for them, but combine that with a Supreme Gods True Blessing, they can even resist Illness disease manipulation, which works on people who have the true blessing of high ranking Gods, so that's 1 layer of resistance.

Normal Count=Baseline

Count + Supreme God True Blessing= 1 layer.
 
honestly I dont want to use the author's twitter account to add anything to the profiles, it was informal as heck and could make the author himself never want to post anything related to Isekai at Peace due to a sudden surge of people asking powerscaling shit or attempting to

remembering the other series that uses twitter for P&A justification, it usually doesnt end well
 
If you think about it, the 6 Kings have causality based regen, then all have the ability to nullify regen with causality disruption, but during their fights as far as we can tell still regen, so....
It becomes a mess of: regen < powernull < null powernull
And then loops back to regen. Tho I don't think they'll get a chance to regen via causality while their bodies and souls are obliterated with their opponent watching them to use causality disruption if they try, so they'll have to mid-godly regen back instead.
Counts normally have resistance to diseases, so that's baseline for them, but combine that with a Supreme Gods True Blessing, they can even resist Illness disease manipulation, which works on people who have the true blessing of high ranking Gods, so that's 1 layer of resistance.
Low-ranking blessings block diseases, and high-ranking blessings block stronger ones, so would that be greater resistance?

From what I saw on certain profiles, when they have stronger powernull from previous versions, it's listed as greater powernull. Like, if counts were to use [null powernull] on Shiro's passive powernull, it wouldn't work because they can't resist her power due to being her creation, so a stronger version is needed against that, hence layers.
honestly I dont want to use the author's twitter account to add anything to the profiles, it was informal as heck and could make the author himself never want to post anything related to Isekai at Peace due to a sudden surge of people asking powerscaling shit or attempting to

remembering the other series that uses twitter for P&A justification, it usually doesnt end well
I don't think you need to be too concerned about that because the author never answers fan questions when prompted on twitter. He only says stuff when he wants to without prompt and then answer questions to clarify what his original post meant.
 
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[For this reason, when the Gods bestows a True Blessing, they always use the phrase "to be inscribed in conjunction with my name". Authority is the law of the world, the rules themselves. You can say those who receive a True Blessing gain the power to interfere with those laws, though only in very limited aspects. And the scope of these effects, whether Provisional or True, can be adjusted by the god who bestows them. What kind of effect to bring about, how much authority to grant…… all of that can be adjusted, as long as it remains within what that God’s Authority allows. As long as you understand that much, you’ll be fine.]


[Errr, then Olivia-sama’s authority would be……?]


[The power I possess, my Authority, is somewhat unusual. I have influence over all phenomena that occur within the Friendship City. Therefore, as long as it is an event that can occur within the Friendship City, it falls within the scope of my Authority. The effects are wide-ranging, but in exchange, they have no effect outside the city.]


Olivia-san’s Authority really was a bit special. It’s restricted to the Friendship City, but within that range, it can exert overwhelming power.


The conditions are limited, but within those conditions, it feels almost invincible.


[In addition to that, there are also the effects common to Blessings in general. A low-ranking God’s Blessing can prevent illness; a high-ranking God’s Blessing can prevent more serious diseases and extend one’s lifespan; and a Supreme God’s Blessing prevents all illness and grants eternal youth. These effects apply even with Provisional Blessings, but they only last for about a year. As such, lifespan extension or eternal youth doesn’t mean much unless it’s a True Blessing. And as for my Blessing…… it has effects nearly identical to that of a Supreme God.]-Chapter 2453

Seems like low rank god blessing would just prevent minor illness, idk like the flu or something, high rank blessing would prevent more serious stuff, but not everything, while a supreme god's blessing prevents all illness, so yea different degrees of resistances.

Honestly makes me question Illness disease manipulation being layered, thinking about it, since high rank god blessing isn't perfect, instead of directly bypassing the resistance, she could have just used a disease which wasn't covered by the blessing.
 
Honestly makes me question Illness disease manipulation being layered, thinking about it, since high rank god blessing isn't perfect, instead of directly bypassing the resistance, she could have just used a disease which wasn't covered by the blessing.
The exact wording for her disease manip is that she pierces through the blessing, not bypass it with a new disease it doesn't register, implying she doesn't need to.
 
If you think about it, the 6 Kings have causality based regen, then all have the ability to nullify regen with causality disruption, but during their fights as far as we can tell still regen, so....

Counts normally have resistance to diseases, so that's baseline for them, but combine that with a Supreme Gods True Blessing, they can even resist Illness disease manipulation, which works on people who have the true blessing of high ranking Gods, so that's 1 layer of resistance.

Normal Count=Baseline

Count + Supreme God True Blessing= 1 layer.
Yeah this explains a lot tbh. Cause they fight for a long time, + their fights ignore defenses and nullify causality and regen. They're dismantling/countering these effects

And yeah like legacy pointed out she pierces through the blessings. Also it wouldn't make sense for a high ranking Gods True Blessing to only cover certain diseases right? Since they cover everything that they are the God of. Wasnt there a high ranking god of health? Or am i misremembering
 
Another thing is blessings seem to differ in that yes one is stronger, but mostly from the fact one needs to be refreshed. A blessing of immortality allows you to live forever, but it needs to be refreshed. I think even normal blessings should nullify diseases
 
The exact wording for her disease manip is that she pierces through the blessing, not bypass it with a new disease it doesn't register, implying she doesn't need to.
Right, forget what I said, about that portion then. But yea idk why this matters much only ones who have profiles that are blessed are Kaito and Lilia, what I said before pretty much stands, Lilia has 1 layer of resistance because she can resist Illness diseases. If you were trying to do some sort of layer scaling by saying high blessing>low blessing, doesn't work like that, you would need someone who can pierce the low rank blessing, not being able to pierce the high rank blessing to say it's more layered, which doesn't exist as far as I know. More powerful doesn't mean more layered.
honestly I dont want to use the author's twitter account to add anything to the profiles, it was informal as heck and could make the author himself never want to post anything related to Isekai at Peace due to a sudden surge of people asking powerscaling shit or attempting to

remembering the other series that uses twitter for P&A justification, it usually doesnt end well
We already added Epilogue explanation based on the author statement a while ago. Also only thing being added so far is stuff which already has evidence of existing in the story, for example we see Shiro ending a universe like turning off a tv, which matches the author statement, and the nullify power null will be more of the same, given the 6 kings example I gave before.
 
the null power null will be a neat thing to add on the peerage page but it wouldn’t change much of anything for top tiers and below. Now about the implications for world creators being able to use their abilities against each other freely, that’s worth a discussion.
 
Also noticed we forgot to give all peerage holders interdimensional range with teleportation on their profiles, despite acknowledging it in the peerage page.

All sorts of minor stuff here and there missing, guess that's what happens with a series that's 2000+ chapters long.

But yea you guys can feel free to create CRT's for anything you notice is missing.
 
A few interesting stuff from today's chapter.

More evidence of UES, more magic power=more combat ability (magic and physical enhancement)

[Same here. I’ve been living here for over 10 years, but it’s honestly only gone up a little since the moment I was summoned.]



As Kaori-san said, magic power is extremely difficult to increase. At the very least, I haven’t felt any growth myself, and apparently, Kaori-san’s hasn’t grown much either since she was summoned as a Hero Actor.


Magic power has a major influence on the power of spells and the multiplier of physical enhancement, so it’s no exaggeration to say that magic power directly translates into combat ability. The reason my own physical enhancement is so lackluster is, quite simply, because my magic power is low.


[Magic power is heavily affected by innate talent, and it only increases bit by bit. Even Eta-san and Theta-san from your side must’ve taken hundreds, or even thousands, of years, on top of their natural talent, just to finally reach Peerage Holder levels of magic power. That’s why Olivia-sama’s blessing, which lets someone reach that level instantly even if it’s region-limited, is so incredible.]


[If your magic power becomes fifty times higher, then the actual increase in combat strength wouldn’t just be fiftyfold, right?]


[Exactly. The more magic power you have, the stronger your spells become, and the higher your physical enhancement multiplier goes…… Well, of course, there are exceptions, cases where, due to aptitude, someone can use magic far beyond what their actual magic power should allow. My Water Magic falls into that category. My magic power is only moderately high for a human, but when it comes to Water Magic alone, I can unleash power and scale that should be impossible for my magic power. That’s why I was able to push through even when I had a mock battle with Frau-san, who had more magic power than me and superior physical abilities. Without that special aptitude, I think I would’ve lost normally.]-Chapter 2458

Even if Kaori got a 100 million times stronger, she wouldn't get get close to Isis in strength, though at this point, it's a no brainer, given the infinite upgrade we are waiting on.

In fact, Hina-chan’s physical enhancement, in terms of multiplier alone, is said to rival people like Sieg-san and Luna-san, who are among the strongest of the Humans. It really shows just how extreme the specialization of Otherworlder aptitudes can be.


[With magic power multiplied by fifty, I might actually be able to use Maximum Magic, at least when it comes to water magic.]


[I’m not very knowledgeable about that stuff, but is Maximum Magic really that difficult?]


[Of course it is. Maximum Magic refers to spells that go beyond the frameworks of lower-, middle-, and upper-tier magic. Their scale and power are on a completely different level. Most Maximum Magics probably have enough power to wipe out a small city. I think you'd have to be on the level of a Count-rank before you could use them. Normally, even if my magic power increased fiftyfold, I still wouldn’t be able to use them, but since my aptitude for Water Magic is so specialized…… maybe it’s possible?]


[I see…… Isis-san was firing them off like nothing though.]


[No, no, isn't your comparison there ridiculous!? Death King-sama’s magic power is on such a different dimension that even comparing it to Count-ranks doesn’t make sense! Even if my magic power increased a hundred million times, I still wouldn’t come close, so of course she can spam Maximum Magic like that.]-Chapter 2458

And then we basically get mockery of other battle shonen lol. Counts can react at lightspeed, but normally this is something only the top tiers in battle manga can do, but in this series it's the bare minimum.

In truth, the only time I’ve clearly seen Maximum Magic with my own eyes was during the battle between Isis-san and Iris-san. Well, it’s possible I’d seen it even before that, but that was the first time I’d witnessed it being used with it explicitly stated to be Maximum Magic.


Isis-san had used it so casually, but that was only because she herself is absurdly strong. Under normal circumstances, that kind of scene would be completely unimaginable.


[So the Six Kings really are on a whole different level huh……]


[The Six Kings are in a league of their own, sure, but from our perspective, even Count-ranks are already monsters. Baron- and Viscount-ranks aren’t at a level I can stand up to, of course, but I can at least understand that level of strength. But once you get to Count-rank, they're people who are like "being able to react to light speed is just a given", you know? That’s a whole different dimension…… Light speed is something you’d expect from only the very top-tier characters in battle manga, yet for them it’s basically the bare minimum. People say there’s a huge wall between Viscount- and Count-ranks, and honestly, I totally get it~~]


[……Maybe someday, Kaori-san might reach that realm too……]


[I won’t!? Or rather, I can’t!!! ……I shouldn’t be able to, at least. As long as you don’t do anything weird…… Whatever it is you're thinking, can you not? I feel like I'd get involved with some strange god or something and get super-buffed…… I'm just someone who runs a set-meal diner, okay!? I don’t need to be able to react at light speed!!!]-Chapter 2458

Also looks like its being setup for Kaori to get boosted to count level... But yea there is suppose to be a big wall between count rank and those below, but sadly we still lack the feats to put them in a different tier atm.
 
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Huge wall between Viscount and Count is interesting

Seems more and more likely that there is a 50 times gap between those tiers but I am purely vibe scaling

I think counts could end up at 7-A / H7A (baseline) if this keeps up but yeah better to wait and see how it plays out
 
Also yeah, Blatant Lightspeed statements are insanely good

Overlord for example makes it seem flowery and it goes nowhere, Even Fate has more mach speed statements then any FTL ones

Most isekai stories also never reaches anywhere above 7-B and neither do they ever get FTL stuff

so yeah it's pretty insane in a vacuum
 
Huge wall between Viscount and Count is interesting

Seems more and more likely that there is a 50 times gap between those tiers but I am purely vibe scaling

I think counts could end up at 7-A / H7A (baseline) if this keeps up but yeah better to wait and see how it plays out
Statement is a little weird due to Kaori saying she can't stand up to Baron Rank, when she just became able to, but eh could just chalk it up to her speaking from her perspective before the new amp which she isn't used to.

But yea before she was 50x weaker than a Baron, but she could understand their strength, but Count Rank is a different dimension, you could take it to mean Counts are at least 50x above Baron/Viscount, but seems a little speculative, probably would just give a possibly/likely High 7-A.
 
High 1-A thread.

Everyone can go there and make their arguments for or against the current scaling, I am still not that interested in the topic, but currently leaning towards some downgrades.

While we have some visibility, because this thread will definitely blow up, lets see if I can pass those 2 other threads I actually care about.
 
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