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Rather than a CRT, this may more accurately be described as as a discussion? I don't feel strongly about this topic, but since no one else wants to do it, I am presenting the arguments here, so we can finally put this topic to rest. This page on the World Creator hierarchy will be vital to all the arguments being presented here.
ISAP has a hierarchy of increasing powerful higher dimensional beings as seen from the hierarchy page, however what's crucial in current tiering is the space within which Makina's core exists.
Bipolar God Tiana has more dimensions than everyone else, thus lower dimensional beings can't contend with her, with the exception of Makina
Makina can compete with Tiana, because her true body exists in a space that doesn't belong to any dimensional stratum and can't be reached by anyone.
We also know from previous statements that Makina has infinite growth, just like Alice
This infinite growth is why Alice who was originally 4-A, or High 3-A depending on how this thread goes, got to be 5-D, and is currently almost 7-D. So the current interpretation is that Makina is immortal so Tiana can't kill her and Makina through RE will eventually get to Tiana's level. The most important thing here however is what to consider the space Makina's core exists it
This option is to keep the current tiering, the details about Makina's core came about during an explanation about higher dimensions, this interpretation is that because it doesn't exist within a dimensional hierarchy, the space the core is in, is Low 1-A, it wouldn't matter if a 10-D, or 100-D being tried to get to it, because it's inaccessible due to being beyond dimensions.
This option has no real bearing on Makina's tiering, her core just exists in a Low 1-A space, it's not itself on that level, other beings just lack the range to reach it.
I suppose another argument for this would be that even someone like Alice with her infinite evolution, which not only gives her more ap, but new abilities, can't reach Makina's core.
This honestly is what I am leaning towards after it was brought up and I thought about it. Makina's core is stated to not belong to any dimensional hierarchy, but it isn't stated to be superior to them, that's just an assumption, and another thing is we have no statements from what I remember, of it encompassing everything or anything of that sort, all we know is that even higher dimensional beings can't reach it because it's not part of that hierarchy, and even people with reactive evolution also can't reach it, the latter could just be explained as a limitation on Alice's RE, and not proof of L1-A.
So yea, this option removes L1A, and just adds BDE type 1 for Makina's core.
While making this thread, and thinking about it, I decided against making this needlessly long with too many options, my current personal opinion is that Makina should lose L1A immortality, so not going to bother using that as part of an argument for Nebula's tiering, however if people want to make the argument for L1-A, they can do so in the comments.
This is the current accepted argument on the profile (ignoring Nebula being able to kill Makina despite her immortality), is essentially that Nebula is 1-A due to being absolutely superior to all beings and abilities
Nebula has the power of encompass everything, being absolutely superior compared to all abilities and all beings. It is also stated that there is an insurmountable wall between Nebula and Tiana, who is currently accepted as being unquantifiable 1-B
And it was previously said that Nebula to be an outlier like Shiro (obviously Shiro is far stronger, but the idea really is that Nebula can't be compared to others, she isn't on that same scale)
In fact, any time she is stated to be able to do anything, she says it's because she is absolute, it would be troublesome to list all these instances, a lot of it is under her abilities, what I want to focus on is this statement specifically
When ranking Nebula on a scale where A is Genius and S leaves your name in history, Lilia who is an extraordinary genius is SS, Nebula in these areas such as calculation is ranked Absolute, this is after being nerfed, so there are some conclusions for this, despite Nebula's power to encompass everything being restricted, this doesn't nerf her in other respects, which means its not only in power that she is absolute, but even stuff like intelligence. Even in this area, she isn't on the scale, so Nebula's nature really is to be fundamentally absolute, beyond the scale, in comparison to everything.
I could see an argument for 1-A, which is why I laid out the evidence, but again like Makina's immortality, I find myself leading towards another rating, in this case L1-A.
For all the arguments I already laid out, that Nebula is an outlier that isn't comparable to anyone else, there exists an insurmountable wall between her and everyone else, and that she encompasses everything etc.
For me what makes 1-A more unlikely is the statement that facing Nebula is like facing all the beings within her, if you face her, she becomes a superior version of you. Essentially her power is basically the sum of everything, which being the sum of everything, would disqualify it and Nebula from being 1-A, as this is quantitative.
But this is my opinion, willing to hear what others think on the topic.
We currently list Shiro as High 1-A because The Epilogue is an exception, which can't be compared to others
The idea was that just like Nebula transcends the rest of the hierarchy due to her absolute nature, Shiro transcends Nebula being an outlier that's not in comparison. This argument hinges on Nebula being 1-A, so if that isn't the case, Shiro can't be High 1-A, but Shiro has one of the most blatant 1-A descriptions on the site, seeing everyone as characters within a story, watching yourself from outside the tv, and turning the power off etc.
If 1-A Nebula stands still might be iffy, because all we know is that The Epilogue is an exception which can't be compared to others, which could easily be accomplished by Shiro being a r>f above Nebula, instead of the vastly higher interpretation of her transcending the framework of 1-A entirely.
There are also statements about Shiro being essentially limitless in comparison to others which would include Nebula, but being 1 r>f can also accomplish this.
Atm ISAP has no hierarchy of 1-A beings, albeit this isn't necessary, but to skip the whole tier of 1-A would need a good deal of evidence, which I don't think justifies a solid High 1-A rating.
But yea, everything is up for discussion, so if someone wants to argue for it, I encourage that.
My current ratings would probably be:
1-A Epilogue - Seeing everything as fictional
Low 1-A - Encompassing and being absolutely superior to all beings
BDE type 1 for her core - Being outside of any dimensional hierarchy
This is all up for debate.
Makina's Tiering
ISAP has a hierarchy of increasing powerful higher dimensional beings as seen from the hierarchy page, however what's crucial in current tiering is the space within which Makina's core exists.
Bipolar God Tiana has more dimensions than everyone else, thus lower dimensional beings can't contend with her, with the exception of Makina
<Afterword>
<Bipolar God Tiana>
A being of an exceedingly high dimension, even among the countless worlds. With rare exceptions (such as Epilogue), the laws and abilities of lower dimensions hold no sway over Tiana, she can ignore and nullify all such principles at will.
Ordinarily, the inhabitants of Trinia, a lower-dimensional world, would be unable to perceive Tiana's form or comprehend her language. However, she has adjusted herself for visitation…… to put it simply, she's like something out of Godzilla: Singular Point.
In principle, lower dimension beings cannot possibly contend with Tiana on equal footing…… However, Makina stands as a special case. Her true body exists in a space that does not belong to any dimensional stratum and cannot be reached by anyone, not even herself, without the key possessed by Alice. Due to this overwhelming paradox, she possesses a level of immortality that ranks among the greatest of the World Creators, and as such, there exists a slight possibility that her battling Tiana is viable. Even so, given Tiana's absurdly high base combat power, Makina remains at a distinct disadvantage.-Chapter 2236
<Bipolar God Tiana>
A being of an exceedingly high dimension, even among the countless worlds. With rare exceptions (such as Epilogue), the laws and abilities of lower dimensions hold no sway over Tiana, she can ignore and nullify all such principles at will.
Ordinarily, the inhabitants of Trinia, a lower-dimensional world, would be unable to perceive Tiana's form or comprehend her language. However, she has adjusted herself for visitation…… to put it simply, she's like something out of Godzilla: Singular Point.
In principle, lower dimension beings cannot possibly contend with Tiana on equal footing…… However, Makina stands as a special case. Her true body exists in a space that does not belong to any dimensional stratum and cannot be reached by anyone, not even herself, without the key possessed by Alice. Due to this overwhelming paradox, she possesses a level of immortality that ranks among the greatest of the World Creators, and as such, there exists a slight possibility that her battling Tiana is viable. Even so, given Tiana's absurdly high base combat power, Makina remains at a distinct disadvantage.-Chapter 2236
Makina can compete with Tiana, because her true body exists in a space that doesn't belong to any dimensional stratum and can't be reached by anyone.
We also know from previous statements that Makina has infinite growth, just like Alice
[……If we just remove the hindrance of a referee, we could do all the irregularity we could think about after all.]
During her conversation with Eden, Alice had continued to strategize and had come up with several methods that would give her a high chance of winning. The one that would have the highest chance…… Using ?κατ?γχειρε?’s Ultimate Battle Form to double the speed of the disarming the techniques used on the cradle.
However, Eden stopped her from doing so. She won’t allow her to interfere in Kaito’s battle……
[Yes, that’s right. Your ?κατ?γχειρε? Ultimate Battle Form gives you great power. Infinite growth and evolution…… I see, with that, “you’ll eventually be able to win”. With that, “you can even win against my omniscient and omnipotent real body”……]
[What!? Don’t tell me……!?]
Immediately after hearing Eden’s words, feeling tremendous power, Alice looked up.
At the end of Alice’s gaze———— was a star. In the sky of the God Realm that has turned into night, there floats something with a nature that is too different to exist in the night sky…… an iron star————- The omniscient and omnipotent Eden’s real body……
[Would you like to give it a try? Will you grow to be more powerful than the omniscient and omnipotent me, or will the match between my beloved child and Shallow Vernal end before you could…… I think it’s a bad bet for you though. Ahh, I’ll have you know that my body obviously also has the ability to infinitely grow and evolve. It would be great if this doesn’t turn into a tug-of-war.]-Chapter 646
During her conversation with Eden, Alice had continued to strategize and had come up with several methods that would give her a high chance of winning. The one that would have the highest chance…… Using ?κατ?γχειρε?’s Ultimate Battle Form to double the speed of the disarming the techniques used on the cradle.
However, Eden stopped her from doing so. She won’t allow her to interfere in Kaito’s battle……
[Yes, that’s right. Your ?κατ?γχειρε? Ultimate Battle Form gives you great power. Infinite growth and evolution…… I see, with that, “you’ll eventually be able to win”. With that, “you can even win against my omniscient and omnipotent real body”……]
[What!? Don’t tell me……!?]
Immediately after hearing Eden’s words, feeling tremendous power, Alice looked up.
At the end of Alice’s gaze———— was a star. In the sky of the God Realm that has turned into night, there floats something with a nature that is too different to exist in the night sky…… an iron star————- The omniscient and omnipotent Eden’s real body……
[Would you like to give it a try? Will you grow to be more powerful than the omniscient and omnipotent me, or will the match between my beloved child and Shallow Vernal end before you could…… I think it’s a bad bet for you though. Ahh, I’ll have you know that my body obviously also has the ability to infinitely grow and evolve. It would be great if this doesn’t turn into a tug-of-war.]-Chapter 646
This infinite growth is why Alice who was originally 4-A, or High 3-A depending on how this thread goes, got to be 5-D, and is currently almost 7-D. So the current interpretation is that Makina is immortal so Tiana can't kill her and Makina through RE will eventually get to Tiana's level. The most important thing here however is what to consider the space Makina's core exists it
Option 1: Low 1-A
This option is to keep the current tiering, the details about Makina's core came about during an explanation about higher dimensions, this interpretation is that because it doesn't exist within a dimensional hierarchy, the space the core is in, is Low 1-A, it wouldn't matter if a 10-D, or 100-D being tried to get to it, because it's inaccessible due to being beyond dimensions.
This option has no real bearing on Makina's tiering, her core just exists in a Low 1-A space, it's not itself on that level, other beings just lack the range to reach it.
I suppose another argument for this would be that even someone like Alice with her infinite evolution, which not only gives her more ap, but new abilities, can't reach Makina's core.
Option 2: BDE Type 1
This honestly is what I am leaning towards after it was brought up and I thought about it. Makina's core is stated to not belong to any dimensional hierarchy, but it isn't stated to be superior to them, that's just an assumption, and another thing is we have no statements from what I remember, of it encompassing everything or anything of that sort, all we know is that even higher dimensional beings can't reach it because it's not part of that hierarchy, and even people with reactive evolution also can't reach it, the latter could just be explained as a limitation on Alice's RE, and not proof of L1-A.
So yea, this option removes L1A, and just adds BDE type 1 for Makina's core.
Nebula's Tiering
While making this thread, and thinking about it, I decided against making this needlessly long with too many options, my current personal opinion is that Makina should lose L1A immortality, so not going to bother using that as part of an argument for Nebula's tiering, however if people want to make the argument for L1-A, they can do so in the comments.
Option 1: 1-A
This is the current accepted argument on the profile (ignoring Nebula being able to kill Makina despite her immortality), is essentially that Nebula is 1-A due to being absolutely superior to all beings and abilities
[…The Ultimate God… Nebula…]
Alice also muttered with a serious expression on her face at the gravely spoken words. Just from the fact that her name was spoken, the air around them seemed to grow heavier.
[Shallow Vernal is the strongest… Or rather, the results prove that she is clearly an outlier. But if Shallow Vernal were to be excluded, I think Nebula was definitely what you could call the strongest.]
[…From what you just said, it means that she has some kind of special ability, right?]
[Unnn. Nebula had the power “that encompassed everything”…To put it really simply, Nebula was “absolutely superior” compared to all abilities and all beings. When confronted, it was similar to confronting Nebula, with every being within her… For example, if the opponent was omniscient and omnipotent, encompassing their omniscience and omnipotence, Nebula would “always be a completely superior version of themselves”. All power was impenetrable to Nebula, and all power was encompassed within Nebula. If an Omniscient and Omnipotent being were to fight her, it would be easy for her to “encompass it within herself and deprive them of their omniscience and omnipotence”.]
[Ahh, I see… That is why she’s the Almightyslayer huh.]
Being always absolutely superior to all other beings and abilities… Hearing the ability that really is to be expected from what you would call the Absolute, Alice looked a little surprised, but she felt that having that kind of power, it wouldn’t be surprising for her to stand at the top of the Omniscient and Omnipotent beings.
[…Nebula was a God without a world of her own, but with her power, she had subdued literally as many World Creators as the stars in the sky and reigned at the top of many worlds. Well, I suppose you could say she’s literally the most powerful being.]-Chapter 938
Alice also muttered with a serious expression on her face at the gravely spoken words. Just from the fact that her name was spoken, the air around them seemed to grow heavier.
[Shallow Vernal is the strongest… Or rather, the results prove that she is clearly an outlier. But if Shallow Vernal were to be excluded, I think Nebula was definitely what you could call the strongest.]
[…From what you just said, it means that she has some kind of special ability, right?]
[Unnn. Nebula had the power “that encompassed everything”…To put it really simply, Nebula was “absolutely superior” compared to all abilities and all beings. When confronted, it was similar to confronting Nebula, with every being within her… For example, if the opponent was omniscient and omnipotent, encompassing their omniscience and omnipotence, Nebula would “always be a completely superior version of themselves”. All power was impenetrable to Nebula, and all power was encompassed within Nebula. If an Omniscient and Omnipotent being were to fight her, it would be easy for her to “encompass it within herself and deprive them of their omniscience and omnipotence”.]
[Ahh, I see… That is why she’s the Almightyslayer huh.]
Being always absolutely superior to all other beings and abilities… Hearing the ability that really is to be expected from what you would call the Absolute, Alice looked a little surprised, but she felt that having that kind of power, it wouldn’t be surprising for her to stand at the top of the Omniscient and Omnipotent beings.
[…Nebula was a God without a world of her own, but with her power, she had subdued literally as many World Creators as the stars in the sky and reigned at the top of many worlds. Well, I suppose you could say she’s literally the most powerful being.]-Chapter 938
Nebula has the power of encompass everything, being absolutely superior compared to all abilities and all beings. It is also stated that there is an insurmountable wall between Nebula and Tiana, who is currently accepted as being unquantifiable 1-B
<Afterword>
Strength Rankings (Limited to Quasi-Omnipotent and Above, as of the Current Story):
Shallow Vernal (Exception)
Nebula > > > An insurmountable wall > > > Bipolar God, ∇∮◆￡ > > > > > Machine God, Makina > Vicissitude God, Canalis = Virtual God, Electrone > Underworld King, Kuromueina = Shallow Vernal (if Epilogue is not part of the equation) > Phantasmal King, Alice > Earth's God, Eden > God of Fate, Fate > > > > > Isis, who is gradually awakening to Authority-level power after accepting the magic power of death (※She's still not Quasi-Omnipotent).-Chapter 2190
Strength Rankings (Limited to Quasi-Omnipotent and Above, as of the Current Story):
Shallow Vernal (Exception)
Nebula > > > An insurmountable wall > > > Bipolar God, ∇∮◆￡ > > > > > Machine God, Makina > Vicissitude God, Canalis = Virtual God, Electrone > Underworld King, Kuromueina = Shallow Vernal (if Epilogue is not part of the equation) > Phantasmal King, Alice > Earth's God, Eden > God of Fate, Fate > > > > > Isis, who is gradually awakening to Authority-level power after accepting the magic power of death (※She's still not Quasi-Omnipotent).-Chapter 2190
And it was previously said that Nebula to be an outlier like Shiro (obviously Shiro is far stronger, but the idea really is that Nebula can't be compared to others, she isn't on that same scale)
[Ahh, I see…… That is why she’s the Almightyslayer huh.]
Being always absolutely superior to all other beings and abilities…… Hearing the ability that really is to be expected from what you would call the Absolute, Alice looked a little surprised, but she felt that having that kind of power, it wouldn’t be surprising for her to stand at the top of the Omniscient and Omnipotent beings.
[……Nebula was a God without a world of her own, but with her power, she had subdued literally as many World Creators as the stars in the sky and reigned at the top of many worlds. Well, I suppose you could say she’s literally the most powerful being.]
[……Ahh~~ sorry if I guessed it wrong. However, with the way you “describe everything in past tense”……]
[I told you, right? That “results prove” that Shallow Vernal is the strongest…… That’s right. Shallow Vernal had brought Nebula to her end. In fact, it was because the Absolute Nebula couldn’t do anything about her that Shallow Vernal was feared by many World Creators.]
[……I see, good grief, there really is always someone better than you.]
[As expected though, comparing oneself to the outliers Shallow Vernal and Nebula is out of the question. They’re a little too much on a different level than the rest. Well, I suppose that answers Alice’s question?]-Chapter 938
Being always absolutely superior to all other beings and abilities…… Hearing the ability that really is to be expected from what you would call the Absolute, Alice looked a little surprised, but she felt that having that kind of power, it wouldn’t be surprising for her to stand at the top of the Omniscient and Omnipotent beings.
[……Nebula was a God without a world of her own, but with her power, she had subdued literally as many World Creators as the stars in the sky and reigned at the top of many worlds. Well, I suppose you could say she’s literally the most powerful being.]
[……Ahh~~ sorry if I guessed it wrong. However, with the way you “describe everything in past tense”……]
[I told you, right? That “results prove” that Shallow Vernal is the strongest…… That’s right. Shallow Vernal had brought Nebula to her end. In fact, it was because the Absolute Nebula couldn’t do anything about her that Shallow Vernal was feared by many World Creators.]
[……I see, good grief, there really is always someone better than you.]
[As expected though, comparing oneself to the outliers Shallow Vernal and Nebula is out of the question. They’re a little too much on a different level than the rest. Well, I suppose that answers Alice’s question?]-Chapter 938
Nebula is constantly stated to be absolute, ie down below when she was first introduced[Unnn. A battle between two Omniscient and Omnipotent beings would basically just be a battle of endurance. They fight for a certain amount of time, and then, they’d make a contract with each other and call a truce. I’m stronger than Omniscient and Omnipotent beings, so I can beat most of them if we fight…… But even if that’s so, I really don’t want to fight because it would take an inordinate amount of time. On the other hand, those who have the power to quickly settle the battles, which would normally take an enormous amount of time, are clearly superior to the rest.]
[Fumu.]
Hearing Makina’s words, what came to Alice’s mind was the Shallow Vernal’s Epilogue.
On the contrary, unless one has such a clear and unusual power, it’s hard to say who is stronger among the World Creators.
Thereupon, Makina turned serious and calmly spoke.
[……Based on that premise, there are only “two people” I can say with certainty that “I would never be able to win in a fight”…… You know one of them already, right? Yes, it’s Shallow Vernal.]
[And the other one is?]
[……The Absolute, who once ruled over many multiple worlds and was the only one among the World Creators to be given the name “Ultimate”…… “The Ultimate God, Nebula”. She was also known as the “Almightyslayer Nebula”.]-Chapter 938
[Fumu.]
Hearing Makina’s words, what came to Alice’s mind was the Shallow Vernal’s Epilogue.
On the contrary, unless one has such a clear and unusual power, it’s hard to say who is stronger among the World Creators.
Thereupon, Makina turned serious and calmly spoke.
[……Based on that premise, there are only “two people” I can say with certainty that “I would never be able to win in a fight”…… You know one of them already, right? Yes, it’s Shallow Vernal.]
[And the other one is?]
[……The Absolute, who once ruled over many multiple worlds and was the only one among the World Creators to be given the name “Ultimate”…… “The Ultimate God, Nebula”. She was also known as the “Almightyslayer Nebula”.]-Chapter 938
In fact, any time she is stated to be able to do anything, she says it's because she is absolute, it would be troublesome to list all these instances, a lot of it is under her abilities, what I want to focus on is this statement specifically
【Rough Criteria】
G…… Trashy
F…… A little useless
E…… On the level of ordinary person
D…… Slightly good
C…… Considerably good
B…… Professional level
A…… Genius
S…… On the level that will leave your name in history
SS…… Cheat
SSS…… Restrain yourself, idiot
【Lilia】
Cooking: G
Packaging: S
Calculation: SS
【Nebula】
Cooking: Absolute
Packaging: Absolute
Calculation: Absolute
Service: Absolute-Chapter 1299
G…… Trashy
F…… A little useless
E…… On the level of ordinary person
D…… Slightly good
C…… Considerably good
B…… Professional level
A…… Genius
S…… On the level that will leave your name in history
SS…… Cheat
SSS…… Restrain yourself, idiot
【Lilia】
Cooking: G
Packaging: S
Calculation: SS
【Nebula】
Cooking: Absolute
Packaging: Absolute
Calculation: Absolute
Service: Absolute-Chapter 1299
When ranking Nebula on a scale where A is Genius and S leaves your name in history, Lilia who is an extraordinary genius is SS, Nebula in these areas such as calculation is ranked Absolute, this is after being nerfed, so there are some conclusions for this, despite Nebula's power to encompass everything being restricted, this doesn't nerf her in other respects, which means its not only in power that she is absolute, but even stuff like intelligence. Even in this area, she isn't on the scale, so Nebula's nature really is to be fundamentally absolute, beyond the scale, in comparison to everything.
Option 2: Low 1-A
I could see an argument for 1-A, which is why I laid out the evidence, but again like Makina's immortality, I find myself leading towards another rating, in this case L1-A.
For all the arguments I already laid out, that Nebula is an outlier that isn't comparable to anyone else, there exists an insurmountable wall between her and everyone else, and that she encompasses everything etc.
For me what makes 1-A more unlikely is the statement that facing Nebula is like facing all the beings within her, if you face her, she becomes a superior version of you. Essentially her power is basically the sum of everything, which being the sum of everything, would disqualify it and Nebula from being 1-A, as this is quantitative.
But this is my opinion, willing to hear what others think on the topic.
Shiro's Tiering
Downgrade to 1-A
We currently list Shiro as High 1-A because The Epilogue is an exception, which can't be compared to others
~ ~ Meeting Members ~ ~
Shallow Vernal (Omnipotent Exception)
Kuromueina (Recently reached Omnipotent-level)
Alice (Quasi-Omnipotent, a step short from Omnipotent-level due to training with Makina)
Fate (Quasi-Omnipotent)
Makina (Top-Tier among Omniscient and Omnipotent beings)
Canalis (Omniscient and Omnipotent, but slightly weaker than Makina)
Nebula (Not participating)
Semi-Omnipotent < Omnipotent < Omniscient and Omnipotent < < < < Absolute
Epilogue : An Exception that can't be compared with others
Serious-senpai : [A massive stomachache has been prepared for Kaito!?]-Chapter 2086
Shallow Vernal (Omnipotent Exception)
Kuromueina (Recently reached Omnipotent-level)
Alice (Quasi-Omnipotent, a step short from Omnipotent-level due to training with Makina)
Fate (Quasi-Omnipotent)
Makina (Top-Tier among Omniscient and Omnipotent beings)
Canalis (Omniscient and Omnipotent, but slightly weaker than Makina)
Nebula (Not participating)
Semi-Omnipotent < Omnipotent < Omniscient and Omnipotent < < < < Absolute
Epilogue : An Exception that can't be compared with others
Serious-senpai : [A massive stomachache has been prepared for Kaito!?]-Chapter 2086
The idea was that just like Nebula transcends the rest of the hierarchy due to her absolute nature, Shiro transcends Nebula being an outlier that's not in comparison. This argument hinges on Nebula being 1-A, so if that isn't the case, Shiro can't be High 1-A, but Shiro has one of the most blatant 1-A descriptions on the site, seeing everyone as characters within a story, watching yourself from outside the tv, and turning the power off etc.
If 1-A Nebula stands still might be iffy, because all we know is that The Epilogue is an exception which can't be compared to others, which could easily be accomplished by Shiro being a r>f above Nebula, instead of the vastly higher interpretation of her transcending the framework of 1-A entirely.
There are also statements about Shiro being essentially limitless in comparison to others which would include Nebula, but being 1 r>f can also accomplish this.
Atm ISAP has no hierarchy of 1-A beings, albeit this isn't necessary, but to skip the whole tier of 1-A would need a good deal of evidence, which I don't think justifies a solid High 1-A rating.
But yea, everything is up for discussion, so if someone wants to argue for it, I encourage that.
TLDR
My current ratings would probably be:
Shiro
1-A Epilogue - Seeing everything as fictional
Nebula
Low 1-A - Encompassing and being absolutely superior to all beings
Makina
BDE type 1 for her core - Being outside of any dimensional hierarchy
This is all up for debate.
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