Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Peerage Ranking System CRT

 

[Legacy30]

Something I missed with the Miyabi situation. Memories are linked to the soul, and her soul being damaged made her lose some memories. I'd say the aspect of mind and soul are interconnected in the series.

Nice work noticing that, pegasus.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I just put it in real quick in case someone wanted to question the 6 Kings Mid-Godly regen because the mind wasn't stated to be something Isis can erase lol.

This week I am going to be quite busy, so doubt I will get much done for this verse.

 

[Legacy30]

I don't agree with peerage holders losing resistance to Isis' magic power of death, it doesn't make sense narratively. At least, they resist the passive one, the blue aura, and has shown feats for it. But of course, it's just a fraction of the black aura of magic power of death she holds back. I'd say that makes 1 layer of resistance for them.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Imo the narrative disputes the resistance, but not going to get into a debate about it, when I haven't fully formulated my opinion on it.

The discussion about Isis magic power of death is included with the CRT about authorities since it is one, and since smurf hax doesn't exist anymore for higher d stuff, i have to remake my sandbox for that.

 

[Legacy30]

yeah, but, narratively it's been consistent that you need to have high power to resist her passive magic of power of death to talk with her, and high-ranking demons used their willpower to even act under its influence. Mind you, I'm talking about the weakest form of it, and any higher they do not resist it at all unless they are six kings tier.

 

[SweetDao]

yeah, but, narratively it's been consistent that you need to have high power to resist her passive magic of power of death to talk with her, and high-ranking demons used their willpower to even act under its influence. Mind you, I'm talking about the weakest form of it, and any higher they do not resist it at all unless they are six kings tier.

I think you're wanking

 

[Noneless21]

i think everyone is wanking

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I guess nobody saw my latest comment about Count Ranks having BFR which even teleportation with interdimensional range can't get out of

 

[SweetDao]

I think we should downgrade High 1-A Shallow Vernal, the joke was good and all, but it must come to an end

 

[Noneless21]

I guess nobody saw my latest comment about Count Ranks having BFR which even teleportation with interdimensional range can't get out of

it makes perfect sense sooooooo domain expansion is REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL

I think we should downgrade High 1-A Shallow Vernal, the joke was good and all, but it must come to an end

Late april fool be like

 

[SweetDao]

Late april fool be like

I just realized your pfp is Kratos Kirby, I always thought it was a big head kratos with a body so big it didn't fit the screen, lmao.

 

[Noneless21]

I just realized your pfp is Kratos Kirby, I always thought it was a big head kratos with a body so big it didn't fit the screen, lmao.

Get juked, you thought it was Kratos, but it is I! KIRTOS

 

[Noneless21]

Btw, at chapter 174, Isis' serious passive can passively EE something, I think this can be added too?

 

[Legacy30]

This, huh

It’s not just organic things that Life can bring into existence…… She can even bring into existence inorganic things.

However…… That was also true for Isis.

[……In that case…… I would also…… be serious!]

[ ! ? ]

As the pale light around Isis’s body becomes denser, the magic power of death she’s releasing visibly becomes darker in color, and the rocks that had been falling down on her vanished.
~chapter 174

Yeah, I think the serious passive is something the 6 kings can resist. So we have four modes of Isis' magic power of death? Normal and serious passive, normal and serious forms of targeting with it.

 

[Noneless21]

Yeah, I think this could be added to her profile

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I understand non-serious and serious passive. Isis normally makes things around her experience fear and madness, and eventually die. Then serious, it starts to erase people it seems. But does it start to corrode things when serious? Or the former

Another thing, Isis has managed to calm down her aura now which should probably be taken into account? Were any of the effects removed? (Also what does serious/non-serious targetting come from?)

But yeah,I think it would be good to label where like what each mode has. What non-serious entails, and what becoming serious adds on to the ability

 

[Legacy30]

Passive non-serious:
Corrosion Inducement

The buildings nearby seemed to be melting, as though they were rotting, and the road ahead was crumbling. It was a sight so horrifying that my mind struggled to even process it.
~chapter 50

Mind, Fear, and Madness manip

“The magic power of death is the fundamental fear of all beings, something that couldn’t be withstood by mere mental power…… is how it should have been, but Kaito suppressed even that. In the midst of fear that normally would have “caused one to go insane or have a mental breakdown dozens of times”, you still held my hand. Kaito really is amazing!”
~chapter 1521

Death Manipulation

However, the armored soldiers never reached the three assailants, and all of them began to fall at the same time.

[……I won’t let you go through.]

[……(What a sinister magic power…… It’s as if it’s death itself……)]

Isis descends in front of Life, clad in her sinister magic power of death glowing bluish-white. The armored soldiers who were touched by the magic power of death released by Isis fall one by one, extinguishing the light of their lives.
~chapter 173

Passive serious:
Existence Erasure

[……In that case…… I would also…… be serious!]

[ ! ? ]

As the pale light around Isis’s body becomes denser, the magic power of death she’s releasing visibly becomes darker in color, and the rocks that had been falling down on her vanished.

[Kuh…… (This Demon could even bring death to inorganic things huh…… However, I can’t keep lingering here any longer. I have to get to Shallow Vernal-sama’s side as soon as possible.)]
~chapter 174

Active targeting non-serious:
Existence Erasure

[……Hindrances.]

After silently muttering so, Isis released her magic power of death towards the surroundings, the wyvern’s lives literally just ended and they began falling to the ground like leaf beetles, forming into a mountain composed of over 50 corpses.
~chapter 53

Actively targeting serious:
Existence Erasure

The magic power of death, unleashed with her powerful killing intent, completely erased the existence of the Black Bears—obliterating not just their bodies, death was conferred even to their souls.
~chapter 78

For the difference between serious and non-serious, I found that non-serious is the blue aura of magic power of death usually, and black is when she's serious. When she had the mock battle with Iris, her magic power of death was black.

Isis has calmed down thanks to Kaito, but the effects weren't removed. It's lower in potency because it scales to her emotional state. It still effects everyone, but it became easier to talk and act under its influence.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Wouldn't the corrosion part have calmed down in non-serious passive? I mean she was able to hang around people, but it also wasn't straight up corroding everything. Same goes for touching her and dying (though idk as much for this one, I don't recall people touching her during that state really)

This also makes me think about her death imbued magic attacks. Since they take priority over others, would this be equal to non-serious passive in potency? Seems more like a natural thing for her, where her magic just has that. It's like death manip against other magics

 

[Legacy30]

Hmm, yeah, you're right about the corrosion part, it hasn't appeared in her non-serious passive after she met Kaito.

However, what's interesting is that anything before that still applies.

A souvenir huh? Are you going to bring it to visit someone?”

[……Unnn…… I found…… a friend.]

Lillywood looked slightly surprised about the fact that she would receive a visit from Isis, who doesn’t often leave her castle, but her surprise became greater when she heard the reason for her visit.

“You found a friend huh, is it a high-ranking demon? Or perhaps, a high-ranking God?”

[……No…… a human.]
~chapter 53

In Lillywood's opinion, you need at least high-ranking demon strength to befriend Isis, so they must be able to resist the corrosion.

As for touching her and then dying, I think it should be for when they're touched by the magic power of death at least. Because Life's soldiers died from touching her passive non-serious magic power of death.

I don’t know if it’s because my body had already gotten used to her magic power of death since that time I met her, I’m not feeling the same way I did but…… Looking at Lilia-san and Lunamaria-san who were repeatedly trembling, it seems that her magic power of death manages to reach where we stand even within the distance between us.
~chapter 56

So before meeting Kaito, Isis' non-serious magic power of death was touching others, albeit she probably controlled it so that it didn't start killing people unlike the time in the war against the God Realm.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

From the latest chapter

<Afterword>





~ ~The Truth ~ ~



Divine Aura (Omniscient & Omnipotent) : [Well, I mean, even if someone has amazing adaptability, I still have my pride as the divine aura of an Omniscient and Omnipotent God, right? So it’s only natural they’d feel a bit of pressure from a higher being, just until they adapt, of course. Alright then, let’s throw out a little intimidation!]

Little Epilogue (Outlier) : [……Huh?]

Divine Aura (Omniscient & Omnipotent) : [———But only to everyone except for Kaito-sama!!! Ahhh, no no no. Just because I’m a divine aura doesn’t mean I can do whatever I want, there are lines you don’t cross! Intimidating Kaito-sama, even for a moment, is absolutely unforgivable! In fact, even waiting for him to adapt is a huge problem!!! I should be the one humbly adapting myself to his Sympathy Magic from the start!!!]-Chapter 2291

Basically Electrone's aura got scared and didn't affect Kaito, so at this point it seems no hax can work on him cause Little Epilogue will stop it, this is crazy.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

So from what I see there, touching Isis's magic power of death still kills you if it touches you. Touching Isis (who is basically the magic power of death itself) is the same probably. So it'll probably be the same potency as her non-serious passive. But it will very when she gets serious.

To me, the corrosion something that calmed down after restricting her magic power better. So beforehand you need to resist everything, including the corrosion. But afterward it seems the environment around her isn't corroding that much. But when not serious, and after she got better with her magic power the corrosion isn't active until other levels

 

[Noneless21]

From the latest chapter



Basically Electrone's aura got scared and didn't affect Kaito, so at this point it seems no hax can work on him cause Little Epilogue will stop it, this is crazy.

at this point anybody below high 1-A is getting clapped instantly the moment they let out even an ounce of hostility towards Kaito

kinda insane actually

 

[Noneless21]

Wank UES CRT cooked

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Courtesy of SeijiSetto from the translation thread. Makes things more interesting, particularly this:

Alice couldn't hide her shock at how easily Eden, the peak of the world, admitted she was inferior to Shallow Vernal.

"With her sudden appearance in the world, she drew the curtain on its story. Yes, that's a good way of putting it. The phenomenon called 'Shallow Vernal'."
"Phenomenon?"
"I'll explain it in easier terms."

Saying that, Eden made a book appear and quickly opened it, showing it to Alice. Drawn on the page was something like a universe.

"For example, the existence on this page... Let's say it exists as infinite identical beings in an infinite multidimensional multiverse, and possesses abilities beyond even omnipotence and omniscience. A single breath can erase galaxies, and a simple wave of its hand would eradicate the universe. How would you defeat something like that?"

"An infinite omnipotent being, huh... Honestly, I don't know. Maybe I'd defeat it by stripping it of its power? But it'd probably just make up for that somehow... Even more than infinite power, killing all of them at the same time is impossible. Or rather, is killing it even possible at all?"

"At the very least, I couldn't win. If it was Shallow Vernal, however... well, it'd be easy. Just like this."

Eden finishes her sentence, and simply closes the book.

"That is Shallow Vernal's power. 'To end a story'... ending things exactly as they are. An omnipotent and omniscient being would be defeated as just that. An existence across infinite dimensions, surpassing even omnipotence and omniscience, would be ended exactly as that."
-Chapter 547

Makina's rival exists across infinite dimensions, a lot simpler than saying "infinite multidimensional multiverse" honestly.

Multiverse makes more sense too thinking about it, since Trinia is a small world, while Makina's world is composed of several universes at least, and if Trinia which is small has 7 dimensions, makes perfect sense for a multiverse to have infinite.

Seems that world sandbox won't be useless after all, just have to add on to what's there about Trinia, ie that it is small but has 7 dimensions, and put this info about Makina and her rival for argue for infinite dimensions.

 

[Fantric]

H1-B Makina coming soon?

This actually makes creating that stupid doc worth it lmao

 

[Legacy30]

Multiverse makes more sense too thinking about it, since Trinia is a small world, while Makina's world is composed of several universes at least, and if Trinia which is small has 7 dimensions, makes perfect sense for a multiverse to have infinite.

I'd like to clear this misconception and say that Makina's world is not said to have more than one universe. The evidence iirc came from the 5 worlds worth of dragon models she gifted to Lilia, but those don't have to be from Makina's world alone. It's been revealed that some of the models came from Electrone's world.

Still, Makina's world is described as extremely vaster than Trinia, that's for sure.

 

[Noneless21]

Courtesy of SeijiSetto from the translation thread. Makes things more interesting, particularly this:



Makina's rival exists across infinite dimensions, a lot simpler than saying "infinite multidimensional multiverse" honestly.

Multiverse makes more sense too thinking about it, since Trinia is a small world, while Makina's world is composed of several universes at least, and if Trinia which is small has 7 dimensions, makes perfect sense for a multiverse to have infinite.

Seems that world sandbox won't be useless after all, just have to add on to what's there about Trinia, ie that it is small but has 7 dimensions, and put this info about Makina and her rival for argue for infinite dimensions.

"all this time, all of you thought it was wanked, but what you all don't know... Is that I've been holding back."
-John Isekai at Peace, I dunno

But yea this is getting insane lmao

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Courtesy of SeijiSetto from the translation thread. Makes things more interesting, particularly this:



Makina's rival exists across infinite dimensions, a lot simpler than saying "infinite multidimensional multiverse" honestly.

Multiverse makes more sense too thinking about it, since Trinia is a small world, while Makina's world is composed of several universes at least, and if Trinia which is small has 7 dimensions, makes perfect sense for a multiverse to have infinite.

Seems that world sandbox won't be useless after all, just have to add on to what's there about Trinia, ie that it is small but has 7 dimensions, and put this info about Makina and her rival for argue for infinite dimensions.

Playing devil’s advocate a bit... are we sure the term "dimension" isn’t just being used interchangeably with "universe"?

 

[Legacy30]

in-verse, the usage of world (sekai), universe (uchu), and dimension (jigen) are distinct from each other. World is more context reliant, but the other two are fairly straightforward.

When universe is mentioned, it's along the lines of something contained inside a world. For the scans pegasus asked to be translated, universe and dimension are being used as a compound together to describe a universe with many dimensions.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Will ths world sandbox have stuff explaining what makes trinia 7 dimensions, omnipotents + omniscients 8, and the higher order ones?

It's only been a small time and i already forgot what makes trinia 7D lol...had my mind focused on other things

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

in-verse, the usage of world (sekai), universe (uchu), and dimension (jigen) are distinct from each other. World is more context reliant, but the other two are fairly straightforward.

When universe is mentioned, it's along the lines of something contained inside a world. For the scans pegasus asked to be translated, universe and dimension are being used as a compound together to describe a universe with many dimensions.

And has it ever been established in the verse that the meaning of the word "dimension" refers to higher geometric axes? Because it wouldn't be the first time "dimension" is used to indicate universal spaces in a way that differs from the conventional definition.

This is an issue that plagued DC for years, you need to be absolutely sure about the specific terminology used in the work.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Will ths world sandbox have stuff explaining what makes trinia 7 dimensions, omnipotents + omniscients 8, and the higher order ones?

It's only been a small time and i already forgot what makes trinia 7D lol...had my mind focused on other things

Literally posted about an official page for this not too long ago.

 

[SweetDao]

Literally posted about an official page for this not too long ago.

Tbf about this... You should definitely remove the first "scan/proof" for the 5D world creators. I talked with Legacy about it just to be sure, and even read the chapter just in case, but in no way should the statement be taken as "she sees a 2D and 3D worlds as equally the same thing"...

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

And has it ever been established in the verse that the meaning of the word "dimension" refers to higher geometric axes? Because it wouldn't be the first time "dimension" is used to indicate universal spaces in a way that differs from the conventional definition.

This is an issue that plagued DC for years, you need to be absolutely sure about the specific terminology used in the work.

Dimensions have already been established to refer to temporal dimensional, it's why the characters even got an initial upgrade to 6-D. There are multiple angles to go for High 1-B upgrade, the nature of the hierarchy ie that Omniscient and Omnipotent are at the top excluding the outliers, beings in the multiverse/world creators being stated to be able to create higher dimensions, the more recent stuff about Omnipotent beings being able to perceive and interfere with higher dimensions etc. But that's all for the later thread, not interested in debating it right now.

Tbf about this... You should definitely remove the first "scan/proof" for the 5D world creators. I talked with Legacy about it just to be sure, and even read the chapter just in case, but in no way should the statement be taken as "she sees a 2D and 3D worlds as equally the same thing"...

Sure, we can remove that when the eventual CRT happens for the WC hierarchy.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

There are multiple angles to go for High 1-B upgrade, the nature of the hierarchy ie that Omniscient and Omnipotent are at the top excluding the outliers, beings in the multiverse/world creators being stated to be able to create higher dimensions, the more recent stuff about Omnipotent beings being able to perceive and interfere with higher dimensions etc.

Fair enough

 

[SweetDao]

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[ExcelsisBerny]

Someone wanted me to share this:

Damn, it looks good.

 

[Noneless21]

Someone wanted me to share this:

i cant see shit

Edit: nevermind, it loaded for me

 

[SweetDao]

i cant see shit

Open your eyes, it helps