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Thanks to numerous CRT's over the years, such as this most recent one, it has become necessary to have an official page for all the abilities most of cast has. @Legacy30 has compiled this into a blog, which I have improved here.
Again most of this stuff is already accepted, just a lot of it had inconsistent application ie a lot of high ranking demons missing stuff being applied to them, it was mostly just on some of the 6 Kings profiles such as Alice.
The only major thing here that hasn't already been accepted is Mid-Godly regeneration, and negation for the 6 Kings, and Low-Godly regeneration negation for Peak Count Ranks.
But yea, this official page will make all the edits I have to do for previous CRT's much easier, and also future edits such as when I get around to removing Peerage Holder resistance to Isis magic power
Re-looking at Count Ranks pocket reality manipulation, spatial isolation barriers create an alternative space, as is in the blog, but I remember it was also stated it forcibly drags the opponent into a field in the users favor (Chapter 787), which is as vast as the the users magic power. So they basically create an alternative space, and drag you there, isn't that also BFR?
But getting back into the interesting part, since it's too much of a pain to find direct evidence, I can find it simple enough for Peak Counts such as Iris being able to teleport to the Demon Realm, not so much for below that, I will refer to Aria.
She was brought to the human realm due to a space-time distortion and couldn't get back to the Demon Realm initially, her power at the time was close to a peerage holder, but not on that level, which funnily enough is where they start getting teleportation, but then a 100 years later perfected teleportation magic which let her teleport between realms, so clearly got to peerage rank
<Afterword>
Alexandra (Real Name: Aria)
A Unique Demon, approximately 4500 years old. Originally lived in a village on the outskirts of the Demon Realm, but ended up in the Human Realm’s Valhand Empire (later known as the Archlesia Empire) due to Space-Time Distortion.
By chance, she found refuge in a rural village with the help of kind farmers and assisted with tasks like hunting. However, when her benefactors were about to be harmed by arrogant imperial soldiers, she single-handedly defeated the soldiers who had come to the village.
At that time, Aria’s power, close to that of a Peerage holder, was overwhelmingly powerful for the Human Realm of that time, so people who witnessed her power began calling her the “Apostle of God” or the “Savior who Appeared to Save the People Suffering Under Tyranny”. Before she knew it, she found herself leading the revolutionary army and effortlessly crushing the Valhand Empire’s forces, achieving a successful revolution.
And upon the request and under the condition of “until the country stabilizes”, she consented to becoming the First Emperor of the new country. Due to her original name lacking majesty, she adopted the name “Alexandra” during her reign as Emperor.
Being diligent and detail-oriented, although not of noble birth, she quickly mastered manners and acquired the refinement and elegance akin to a natural-born noble.
After serving as Emperor for about 100 years, as they had initially arranged, she stepped down from the throne. She had intended to return to her homeland using the Teleportation Magic she had perfected during those 100 years, but she had somehow developed an attachment to Archlesia Empire. Thus, while shuttling back and forth between her hometown village and Archlesia Empire, she ultimately decided to settle in the Archlesia Empire for good.-Chapter 1837
But yea this is all to say, that without being skilled at space-time magic, even teleportation that lets you move between realms which are separated by time and space, won't let you escape the spatial isolation barriers used by Count Ranks....
And thing is normally it won't work on a Mid tier Count Rank, as they would instantly counter with a slap of high density magic power, so you have to seal their movements first...
Thinking about it, Fors basically says it's the spatial isolation that's the issue for Laguna not the seals she would have put on her before tossing her in the barrier, so wouldn't she resist sealing? Seems like she would break out of it.
It's interesting how its at Peak Count Rank that we can be sure space-time magic becomes a certain thing, without exceptions like Lilia, which is exactly what's needed to get out of a spatial isolation barrier. It all lines up, at Peak Count Rank even BFR isn't an issue.
Yeah pretty blatant BFR, which it seems at higher ranks like peak count you need more established space-time magic to compete. Obviously every six king has a method of teleporting that is basically cheating
Yeah pretty blatant BFR, which it seems at higher ranks like peak count you need more established space-time magic to compete. Obviously every six king has a method of teleporting that is basically cheating
Last thread I had another feat of this kind accepted for Isis, since she could get into Kuro's home, which also prevents teleportation.... But forgot 6 Kings in general do this, Isis excluding the Gods like Kuro and Alice, is simply the best at it.
Last thread I had another feat of this kind accepted for Isis, since she could get into Kuro's home, which also prevents teleportation.... But forgot 6 Kings in general do this, Isis excluding the Gods like Kuro and Alice, is simply the best at it.
Yeah just remember reading thus earlier on, but every six king has their unique method of teleporting. Isis connects manipulates space-time to make the distance between where she wants to go zero (works interdimensionally obviously). This may need a range buff
Kuro as well manipulates cause and effect to completely ignore teleportation blocks and such, ignoring causality to force the teleport to happen anyway. I don't think the other methods of six kings were mentioned, but the idea can be gathered through these. Probably greater resistance to powernull, and greater teleportstion. Something like this
Yeah just remember reading thus earlier on, but every six king has their unique method of teleporting. Isis connects manipulates space-time to make the distance between where she wants to go zero (works interdimensionally obviously). This may need a range buff
Kuro as well manipulates cause and effect to completely ignore teleportation blocks and such, ignoring causality to force the teleport to happen anyway. I don't think the other methods of six kings were mentioned, but the idea can be gathered through these. Probably greater resistance to powernull, and greater teleportstion. Something like this
Thinking about it, soul = mind is also an argument to be made.
There have been cases of characters existing as just a soul and having a mind of their own to think and such.
There are no lies in those words. That’s because “she really didn’t bring Miyama Akari back to life”…… She was still a soul, a ghost that is able to touch things through the power of Shallow Vernal.
Even though Shallow Vernal had obtained Akari’s soul, she still gave Akari the freedom of choice. In order to make her choose whether or not she would cooperate for her purpose, Shallow Vernal allowed Akari to make contact with Kaito, on the condition that she wouldn’t reveal her true identity.
[And so, what is your choice? Or perhaps, do you still need a bit more time to think?]
[……No, that’s enough. The conditions you have offered…… I accept them.]
~chapter 464
It's more so that memories and soul are linked together. If the soul is damaged, you lose memories. Isis' existence erasure works passively too, which erases souls.
We could have also gone into the mechanics of the magic power of death, where Isis restraining it, still passively affects the minds of others, and her unleashing it erases stuff from existence, so if even the passive effects affect the mind, obviously the serious ones such as existence erasure, does as well.
The Dark Forest is a very frightening place, where hungry monsters, Confusion Trees, Magic-eating Flowers, and all manner of things lure those who wander into it to their deaths.
Once you enter the Dark Forest, it’s difficult to escape on your own. The fog created by the Confusion Trees will soon make it impossible for one to know which way is left or right.
The fate that awaits you is either to be eaten by a ferocious monster or to have your magic power siphoned away by the forest’s dreadful vegetation……
~chapter 1179
Also I think the confusion trees messing with your sense of direction would actually be perception manipulation, so that's resistance to perception manipulation and absorption.
When I was making the blog, I didn't think about adding this since those below Six Kings already have causality manipulation, but this, which is already on their profiles, should be added to the Six Kings section as it's specific applications of causality manip they have over the rest/have by virtue of being better at it than those below them.
I didn't think about adding this before since those below Six Kings already have causality manipulation, but this, which is already on their profiles, should be added to the Six Kings section as it's specific applications of causality manip they have over the rest/have by virtue of being better at it than some.
But yea Peak Count Ranks can manipulate causality to do specific things, always hit, always miss, but not a lot. 6 Kings scale to all that.
And then you get to Quasi-Omnipotent level where causality manipulation means altering the past so things never happened to begin with, and manipulating temporal dimensions...
It's all very consistent, which leads me to believe the causality manipulation used by high ranking demons isn't that broken, certainly isn't going to be on the level of their attacks never missing.
The page looks structurally good and well supported, although my personal preference is scans even for self-explanatory things for completion.
Such as: "The basic offensive magic of Fire-Attribute Magic is a fireball."
This is obviously proof of Fire Manipulation, but I'd like a scan of them using a fireball anyway just as proof they actually did.
As for Mid-Godly, it seems sufficiently supported.
I suppose it could work if we going into details about the 6 Kings, that they are bugs in the world that shouldn't exist naturally, and as such have the most talent in the world.
You could use that argument to say they can do everything a lower person can, but idk personally see no need to include the reflection.
If they wanted to they probably could copy it, but doesn't mean they necessarily have it currently.
Imo I think the attack reflection via causality is something can get around, but we dunno if they can do it. They probably can replicate it, but we don't have proof they actually performed it. Another thing is we know they can use antireflection spells more than likely. But its not like a complete disqualification for it
More strongly, I think they probably wouldn't have this subjective reality. Reason I say this is because Lillie's ability is unique, doesn't exactly seem to be part of the causality manip. It doesn't say how the six kings deal with it, but it's likely they nullify it. Just like they have causality disruption, nullify regen among other things. It's not the same as "causality manip is something you have to be able to do" which is basically a necessity after a certain rank
Well, even though he raised his magic power amount to high-ranking demon level, his offensive magic is only on par with a human first year student in a magic academy
~~~ Top 10 Strength Ranking that has nothing to do with the novel (Spoilers Included) ~~~
Anyway, if it was just the amount of magic power I had, I had already surpassed the limits of Humans and possessed magic power as high as High-ranking Demons.
As for my Offensive Magic, the size of my Fireball had grown rapidly from the size of a pingpong ball to the “size of a baseball”. Well, rumor has it that even a first year student at a magic school can already produce a Fireball the size of a volleyball……
W- Well, my only goal has always been to suppress the magic power of death…… so it’s not like I’m frustrated that I can’t use Offensive Magic or anything like that. I’m not disappointed…… I mean, it’s not like I’m fighting anyone, so I don’t need any Offensive Magic at all!!! I’m not feeling vexed at all, okay!!!?
Plus, all the basic magic he performed was before his magic power level reached high-ranking demon. So it's more accurate to say that even someone as lousy as him can perform all elemental magics and people with better talent than him naturally can do the same but better.
it's kinda weird that regular magic power (presumably because Alice, Kuro and Kaito can use their magic power to suppress Magic Power of Death) can interact with Magic Power of Death, even though it's already stated that Isis' magic power is super special.
you would think it's impossible to even use regular magic power to suppress Isis' passive because, well, the property of said passive
Not really tbh. It's bound by change(developed a consciousness, fell in love with Kaito), it's divisible(little Epilogue is Shiro's and Kaito's love child), there's no encompassing logical worlds. For now at least, I don't see a single argument to put it at 0.
