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seems like Isekai at Peak reign supreme once again
Yeah, the author definitely sniffing way too much of that baby castella pack (He's COOKING)
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Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread
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Adding to IM2 from earlier, WCs should get data manipulation for obvious reasons.
I saw that WCs have 3 layers in their hax and resistances, including 4 layers in power null. Their abilities and resistances should instead be 4 layers.
In addition to nullifying each other's power, they can straight up ignore it and remain unaffected passively.
I suppose the layers currently work like this?
-magic
-magic power of death
-reproduced authorities
-authorities directly used by WCs
I saw that WCs have 3 layers in their hax and resistances, including 4 layers in power null. Their abilities and resistances should instead be 4 layers.
故に世界は『シャローヴァナルの力が通用しない冥王』を除いた快人の知人達に対し、快人の危機を虫の知らせとして伝達する。 Therefore, the world conveys Kaito's crisis to all his acquaintances, excluding "The Underworld King, against whom Shallow Vernal's powers do not apply," as a warning sign.
~chapter 77
~chapter 77
[Looks like it’s all over, huh.]
[Eh? What’s over?]
Shallow Vernal said as she put down the tea she’d been sipping, while Kuromueina simply tilted her head, still munching on her baby castella.
[About Kaito-san being attacked by Black Bears…]
[Kaito-kun was attacked!? Hmph!?]
[It’s already over.]
[Eh?]
~chapter 78
[Eh? What’s over?]
Shallow Vernal said as she put down the tea she’d been sipping, while Kuromueina simply tilted her head, still munching on her baby castella.
[About Kaito-san being attacked by Black Bears…]
[Kaito-kun was attacked!? Hmph!?]
[It’s already over.]
[Eh?]
~chapter 78
I suppose the layers currently work like this?
-magic
-magic power of death
-reproduced authorities
-authorities directly used by WCs
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Not sure how you got 4 layers
Kaito (6-D resistance)<Non Serious Isis (1 layer)=Count Rank (1 layer resistance)<Serious Isis (2 layer of hax)=6 Kings (2 layer of resistance)<WC (3 layer of hax, and resistance).
If the idea is that Kuro resists Shiro's abilities, which can null Kuro's abilities, that's contradictory, both can't be true. Kuro vs Shiro is a fist fight because they null each others abilities, clearly Kuro isn't resisting that, but she resists the other stuff.
Side note, feels like an impossible task to catch up, with there being daily releases, how is this series at 2200+ chapters and still ongoing...
Kaito (6-D resistance)<Non Serious Isis (1 layer)=Count Rank (1 layer resistance)<Serious Isis (2 layer of hax)=6 Kings (2 layer of resistance)<WC (3 layer of hax, and resistance).
If the idea is that Kuro resists Shiro's abilities, which can null Kuro's abilities, that's contradictory, both can't be true. Kuro vs Shiro is a fist fight because they null each others abilities, clearly Kuro isn't resisting that, but she resists the other stuff.
Side note, feels like an impossible task to catch up, with there being daily releases, how is this series at 2200+ chapters and still ongoing...
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Uh, you're missing one layer. Ein has authority of time, which allowed her to move in Chronois' time stop. But when faced with Chronois' super authority, the authority that Shiro personally uses, she got trapped in the time stop. What the gods have are weaker versions of Shiro's authorities.
[……We have been strengthened by the power of Shallow Vernal-sama. And “only the Supreme Gods”…… have been given another power, the ultimate authority, which I am strictly ordered to use “only when I judge that we were in a predicament”.]
[……Ultimate authority———-!? Everyone, retreat!]
[Too late! “Judgment of Time and Space”!]
Predicting the threat of the trump card from Chronois’ words, Alice urged the others to leave, but before they could…… Chronois activated that power.
What is this ultimate authority? In the first place, the Gods’ power was given to them by the God of Creation, Shallow Vernal. In other words, that ultimate authority is none other than…… “the authority that Shallow Vernal herself directly uses”.
Yes, the Supreme Gods had been given a special magic crystal in which Shallow Vernal had directly stored her magic power, filled with the authority of each respective Supreme Gods.
Some of those gathered here may be able to use magic that affects space. Some of them may even be able to use sealing techniques that could invalidate magic that affect space.
But even if that’s so, not one of them could resist the power of Shallow Vernal herself. That is the clear and cruel difference in rank that exists between a world’s creator and her creations.
All of Human-Demon Allied Forces’ movements and thoughts…… stopped with the space.
[……Ultimate authority———-!? Everyone, retreat!]
[Too late! “Judgment of Time and Space”!]
Predicting the threat of the trump card from Chronois’ words, Alice urged the others to leave, but before they could…… Chronois activated that power.
What is this ultimate authority? In the first place, the Gods’ power was given to them by the God of Creation, Shallow Vernal. In other words, that ultimate authority is none other than…… “the authority that Shallow Vernal herself directly uses”.
Yes, the Supreme Gods had been given a special magic crystal in which Shallow Vernal had directly stored her magic power, filled with the authority of each respective Supreme Gods.
Some of those gathered here may be able to use magic that affects space. Some of them may even be able to use sealing techniques that could invalidate magic that affect space.
But even if that’s so, not one of them could resist the power of Shallow Vernal herself. That is the clear and cruel difference in rank that exists between a world’s creator and her creations.
All of Human-Demon Allied Forces’ movements and thoughts…… stopped with the space.
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Just having power/abilities from a higher dimensional source doesn't make your abilities themselves higher dimensional. But even if we entertained that logic, Gods authority don't really factor into the Isis scaling, Isis ability is an authority, but to say all authorities are equal isn't really right, I mean Kaito can resist Fate's authority of fate because he has Shiro's blessing for example.
The entire reason for smurf hax to begin with is that when Shiro blesses people, essentially people are wearing her magic power in some sort of membrane, and Fate by taking in that power into her body transcended time and space. The fact Fate only reached 5-D though puts the 6-D scaling into question now that I think about it, so some downgrades are probably in order.
Shiro, Eden etc all would still have 6-D hax and resistances, but not as many layers, and everyone else would just be layers into 5-D.
The entire reason for smurf hax to begin with is that when Shiro blesses people, essentially people are wearing her magic power in some sort of membrane, and Fate by taking in that power into her body transcended time and space. The fact Fate only reached 5-D though puts the 6-D scaling into question now that I think about it, so some downgrades are probably in order.
Shiro, Eden etc all would still have 6-D hax and resistances, but not as many layers, and everyone else would just be layers into 5-D.
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Shiro's blessing has a bunch of edits done to it. It can resist Fate's authority but doesn't resist Chronois authority of time stop. It's rather selective and gets updates by Shiro over time in the story. In fact, this gets addressed in a chapter in the afterstory.
What will be downgraded?
Btw, I found definitive statements that will put a rest to the argument of Ozma being relative or superior to Sealed Megiddo in the main story. The answer is that he's inferior.
The quote from chapter 797 can now be applied to main story Ozma. Even if Ozma trained at the same rate as Sealed Megiddo, he is assuredly going to be overtaken. If he fought Sealed Megiddo, it's now looking like his chances of winning are 1:10000 or more instead of relative.
What will be downgraded?
Btw, I found definitive statements that will put a rest to the argument of Ozma being relative or superior to Sealed Megiddo in the main story. The answer is that he's inferior.
Because it was a statement made in the afterstory, it should not be applied to Ozma in the main story. That is until you read this chapter that depicts Ozma in the past way before Shiro created the Human Realm.
After introducing himself in a leisurely tone, Ozma looked at Isis and Lillywood in front of him, and the huge Magnawell near the house. Then, when his gaze finally settled on the cooking Ein, he let out a sigh. Incidentally, Kuromueina isn’t here now because she was called in as a mediator.
[……Haahhh…… How should I say this…… It’s embarrassing how ignorant I am. I had heard of the Strongest in the Demon Realm, Kuromueina-sama, but for there to also be these incredible people out there, I can’t believe I thought I was the strongest.]
[You think so? When we fought, I think we had a pretty good match.]
[That is at the moment, yes? Even though I look like this, I’m confident in my ability to judge my opponent’s strength. I’m almost completely trained…… Well, I’ll probably only be able to get a little bit stronger over the years. However, all of these people, including Master, are still in the process of developing. Good grief, how dreadful this is.]
Just as Megiddo said, at this point in time, Ozma’s ability is close to that of Isis and the others. However, Ozma’s ability has already been trained to the point that it has almost reached its upper limit, whereas Isis and the others are still far from reaching their limits and can continue to grow, and Ozma felt that before long, he would be helplessly left behind by the others. Thus, he could only scratch his head with a wry smile.
~chapter 1514
[……Haahhh…… How should I say this…… It’s embarrassing how ignorant I am. I had heard of the Strongest in the Demon Realm, Kuromueina-sama, but for there to also be these incredible people out there, I can’t believe I thought I was the strongest.]
[You think so? When we fought, I think we had a pretty good match.]
[That is at the moment, yes? Even though I look like this, I’m confident in my ability to judge my opponent’s strength. I’m almost completely trained…… Well, I’ll probably only be able to get a little bit stronger over the years. However, all of these people, including Master, are still in the process of developing. Good grief, how dreadful this is.]
Just as Megiddo said, at this point in time, Ozma’s ability is close to that of Isis and the others. However, Ozma’s ability has already been trained to the point that it has almost reached its upper limit, whereas Isis and the others are still far from reaching their limits and can continue to grow, and Ozma felt that before long, he would be helplessly left behind by the others. Thus, he could only scratch his head with a wry smile.
~chapter 1514
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WC get baseline 6-D hax and resistance with 1 layer of power null.
Whatever is on the profiles for Isis and Count Ranks remains the same, except we get rid of the possibly 7-D scaling. Already started doing some edits, so idk if I want to continue with what I was doing, all this stuff about hax scaling, was going to be 6-D, it's just going to be changed in a few weeks/months.
Fate is interesting in that she is said closest in power to Shiro, when she gets serious she has the same eyes, and we know a Gods authority is in their eyes, so you could do some extrapolation there and say her authority should be close to Shiro's but the argument is weak for me due to her getting Shiro's authority in the main story, and even taking in Shiro's power only pushes her to 5-D, that said I think this explains why she wasn't wiped form existence when she took in Shiro's power, because her nature was like Shiro's.
Ozma statement there is interesting, not going to argue it. In fact, will save all the arguments for when i am caught up, so will basically be ignoring this thread for a while, will spend all the time reading.
Whatever is on the profiles for Isis and Count Ranks remains the same, except we get rid of the possibly 7-D scaling. Already started doing some edits, so idk if I want to continue with what I was doing, all this stuff about hax scaling, was going to be 6-D, it's just going to be changed in a few weeks/months.
Fate is interesting in that she is said closest in power to Shiro, when she gets serious she has the same eyes, and we know a Gods authority is in their eyes, so you could do some extrapolation there and say her authority should be close to Shiro's but the argument is weak for me due to her getting Shiro's authority in the main story, and even taking in Shiro's power only pushes her to 5-D, that said I think this explains why she wasn't wiped form existence when she took in Shiro's power, because her nature was like Shiro's.
Ozma statement there is interesting, not going to argue it. In fact, will save all the arguments for when i am caught up, so will basically be ignoring this thread for a while, will spend all the time reading.
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To summarize the layers in my view.
There's magic.
Then there's Kaito's blessing (6D) resistance that nullifies magic.
Isis' magic power of death, which is not limited to her death hax can pierce through that protection. It's actually applied to all of her abilities.
Fate's authority of fate allows her to control everything, including Isis' magic power of death.
Then there's the authority directly used by Shiro such as Judgement of Fate.
There's something I like to talk about, and that base form Fate might actually really be busted even in the main story. She is the closest in power to Shiro, there's no doubt about that. This statement however is ridiculous.
If Kuro fought Fate during the war against the God Realm, she would've been slightly exhausted and admitting to it. The only other person who can counter Fate during that time was Alice, and guess what's interesting about that?
Alice has shown to be able to enter and interact with a space that's between dimensions in her world before arriving in Trinia. What does this mean? I cooked too hard and burnt the kitchen I think Alice and Fate could possibly have 5D to 6D scaling even in base.
There's magic.
Then there's Kaito's blessing (6D) resistance that nullifies magic.
Isis' magic power of death, which is not limited to her death hax can pierce through that protection. It's actually applied to all of her abilities.
Thereupon, the black flames wrapped around Megiddo collided with the white cold air unleashed by Isis, causing a huge explosion. It was an explosion so large that it’s hard to know how many kilometers in radius were blown away. However, both of them, standing at the center of such an explosion, dispersed the nearby smoke as if nothing happened.
[Hahaha, well~~ You really are strong, Isis. That magic power of yours is especially interesting. For the clash of our magic of the same level to result in mine getting outclassed, that means your magic power is special, right?]
[Hahaha, well~~ You really are strong, Isis. That magic power of yours is especially interesting. For the clash of our magic of the same level to result in mine getting outclassed, that means your magic power is special, right?]
Then there's the authority directly used by Shiro such as Judgement of Fate.
There's something I like to talk about, and that base form Fate might actually really be busted even in the main story. She is the closest in power to Shiro, there's no doubt about that. This statement however is ridiculous.
“……However…… What about the God of Fate? From what I’ve heard, it doesn’t sound like anyone of us can counter her other than Kuromueina……”
[Unnn. I’m having trouble with that too. Her Authority of Fate is really too powerful that compatibility isn’t an issue for her. If I defeat her though, she will end up exhausting me a bit before fighting Shallow Vernal…… I’ll hold off on this matter, at least until I can find a way to deal with the God of Fate.]
~1516
[Unnn. I’m having trouble with that too. Her Authority of Fate is really too powerful that compatibility isn’t an issue for her. If I defeat her though, she will end up exhausting me a bit before fighting Shallow Vernal…… I’ll hold off on this matter, at least until I can find a way to deal with the God of Fate.]
~1516
In a space that only a girl can enter, built on the border between dimensions, a lot of tombs had been lined up. They were the graves of the people she had formed bonds with. People who now remained only in her memory.
~chapter 514
~chapter 514
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brother didn't just burned the kitchen, he burned the entire apartment
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You have to prove Kaito's blessing is 6-D, and not just cause it comes from a 6-D being.
Afterstories Fate has already entered World Creator Realm, nothing says her hax in Base hasn't been upgrade, I mean Base Kuro from way back in the main story has smurf hax, this is nothing unusual.
Entering the space between dimensions really.means nothing in terms of tiering.
But yea ignoring the thread now, spending time arguing, just reduces the time for reading. And I shouldn't argue when I don't have all the information.
Afterstories Fate has already entered World Creator Realm, nothing says her hax in Base hasn't been upgrade, I mean Base Kuro from way back in the main story has smurf hax, this is nothing unusual.
Entering the space between dimensions really.means nothing in terms of tiering.
But yea ignoring the thread now, spending time arguing, just reduces the time for reading. And I shouldn't argue when I don't have all the information.
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This isn’t afterstories Fate, it’s Fate in the past during the first war against the God Realm. In other words, way before she became a WC. It suggests her abilities are treated as troublesome even to Kuro who has smurf resistances even in base. And the Kuro that raided the God Realm was in her true form from start to finish.
Rereading it again, Alice didn't just enter that space, she CREATED it.
Rereading it again, Alice didn't just enter that space, she CREATED it.
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I think we should wait for Pegasus to catch up so he can give his own thought later
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The story will keep going cuz I'm sure the author will do some epilogue related thing. It won't end until Shiro is satisfied and gets rid of the epilogue in some way or something. Too clear of a trope
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I'm seriously wish the author give the Supreme Gods some love, especially Chronois
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Something caught my attention so I'm going to revise the hax and resistance layer summary one more time:
Normal Magic
Magic power of death non serious (1 layer)
Magic power of death serious (2 layer)
Authorities (3 layer)
Supreme God authorities (4 layer)
These are for non-WC peeps. There is no reason to think Isis' magic power of death is on the same level as the supreme god authorities at least because it loses to Chronois' and Fate's authorities. Why the supreme god authorities are singled out as above the rest of the gods' authorities is due to this:
We'll tackle the WCs next:
Normal Magic
Authorities (1 layer)
Supreme God authorities (2 layer)
WC authorities (possibly 3 layer?)
Obviously, WCs are able to use magic. There could be an argument that their magic power is so special that it outclasses magic of the same level like magic power of death, but I can't find any specific text, so this'll remain speculative. WCs should also be able to use the same authorities as the normal gods, but on a 5D-6D level, which becomes superior to their own magic. Next are the authorities that transcends the rest like space-time, life, and fate. And if we separate the ultimate authorities used directly by WCs as distinct, those should transcend the rest, which makes them 3 layers. So, they would have at least 2 layers, possibly 3 layers.
Normal Magic
Magic power of death non serious (1 layer)
Magic power of death serious (2 layer)
Authorities (3 layer)
Supreme God authorities (4 layer)
These are for non-WC peeps. There is no reason to think Isis' magic power of death is on the same level as the supreme god authorities at least because it loses to Chronois' and Fate's authorities. Why the supreme god authorities are singled out as above the rest of the gods' authorities is due to this:
We'll tackle the WCs next:
Normal Magic
Authorities (1 layer)
Supreme God authorities (2 layer)
WC authorities (possibly 3 layer?)
Obviously, WCs are able to use magic. There could be an argument that their magic power is so special that it outclasses magic of the same level like magic power of death, but I can't find any specific text, so this'll remain speculative. WCs should also be able to use the same authorities as the normal gods, but on a 5D-6D level, which becomes superior to their own magic. Next are the authorities that transcends the rest like space-time, life, and fate. And if we separate the ultimate authorities used directly by WCs as distinct, those should transcend the rest, which makes them 3 layers. So, they would have at least 2 layers, possibly 3 layers.
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I always wondered this, but six Kings resist isis's serious death aura, right? But what about when she directly aims the killing intent at them? Last I remember she can kill life, and then life regens. But the passive didn't affect life (?). Feels like if everyone could resist even when she targets them, her entire gig would be useless no?
But at the same time if she did, they'd all have mid godly regen or something. Always wondered how this is treated
But at the same time if she did, they'd all have mid godly regen or something. Always wondered how this is treated
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I had a burnout reading all of these layers bullcrap if i can be honest with yall
but yeah it felt like should Isis do play super rough with the Six Kings when they had spars, they should be able to resurrect even from soul destructionwhich makes them high Godly since Soul = concept but we'll get to that later
right now tho, upgrade for Count rank should be prioritized first before we talk about, well, cans of worms that is hax layer
Tbh I was leaning towards Life being the only one have the Mid-godly (High godly, maybe) for people on Six Kings level because it felt just right with her theme of undying perfect body God of Life and all
I think, the only time Isis' Death aura can do some serious damage is when she uses the signature Snowfield of Death in LN and when she can fully control her Death Aura, not too sure about any other instances beside that
but yeah it felt like should Isis do play super rough with the Six Kings when they had spars, they should be able to resurrect even from soul destruction
right now tho, upgrade for Count rank should be prioritized first before we talk about, well, cans of worms that is hax layer
Tbh I was leaning towards Life being the only one have the Mid-godly (High godly, maybe) for people on Six Kings level because it felt just right with her theme of undying perfect body God of Life and all
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Only life having it makes sense, due to her authority. I think its just a little odd that her aura of death when serious, and targetting a six king wouldn't do anything...when its her main ability. Plus it's like an authority. But yeah, snowfield of death finally affected life, plus when she was buffed by life.
I think there was a time before, with the first battle...forgot if she managed to kill life herself tho. Something like non-serious aura < serious aura < actually attacking. But idk
Saw the soul being concept stuff I think I remember that, my opinion was it probably isn't talking about souls in general. Forgot exactly
I think there was a time before, with the first battle...forgot if she managed to kill life herself tho. Something like non-serious aura < serious aura < actually attacking. But idk
Saw the soul being concept stuff I think I remember that, my opinion was it probably isn't talking about souls in general. Forgot exactly
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In LN, she did managed to "kill" Life, but she can regenerate back due to Shiro's authority i think but not in WN iirc
It's in Chapter 2144 at the afterword section that explains that Isis is a ghost-type entity and it was said that ghost-type entity is concept that has taken form, sooooooooo
AE type 1 Isis, possibly, I dunno
AE type 1 Isis, possibly, I dunno
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青白い光を禍々しい死の魔力を纏い、ライフの前にアイシスが降り立つ。
アイシスが放つ死の魔力に触れた鎧兵達は、次々とその命の光を消して落下していく。
Isis descended before Life, clad in a pale blue light and the sinister magic power of death.
One by one, the armored soldiers who came into contact with the magic power of death that Isis unleashed lost the light of life and fell to the ground.
~chapter 173
アイシスが放つ死の魔力に触れた鎧兵達は、次々とその命の光を消して落下していく。
Isis descended before Life, clad in a pale blue light and the sinister magic power of death.
One by one, the armored soldiers who came into contact with the magic power of death that Isis unleashed lost the light of life and fell to the ground.
~chapter 173
「……なら……私も……本気を……出す！」
「ッ！？」
アイシスの体の青白い光が強くなると共に、死の魔力が目視できる程に濃い色となって放たれ、降り注いでいた岩が消滅していく。
「くっ……（この魔族、無機物すら殺せるのですか……でも、これ以上長引かせる訳にはいきません。一刻も早くシャローヴァナル様の元に行かなければ）」
桁外れの質量を造り出し、続けざまにアイシスに攻撃を仕掛けるライフに対し、アイシスもまた死の魔力を全開にして応じる。
幾千幾億もの命が生まれ、即座に死んでいくその光景は、美しくも戦慄を感じさせるものだった。
"...Then...I'll...get serious too!"
"Huh?!"
As the pale light from Isis' body grew stronger, the magic power of death became a dark color that could be seen with the naked eye, and the rocks that had been raining down disappeared.
"Kuh... (This demon can even kill inanimate objects... But I can't drag this out any longer. I must get to Shallow Vernal-sama as soon as possible.)"
As Life created an extraordinary amount of mass and continued to attack Isis, Isis responded by unleashing the full force of her magic power of death.
The sight of billions of lives being born and then instantly dying was both beautiful and terrifying.
~chapter174
「ッ！？」
アイシスの体の青白い光が強くなると共に、死の魔力が目視できる程に濃い色となって放たれ、降り注いでいた岩が消滅していく。
「くっ……（この魔族、無機物すら殺せるのですか……でも、これ以上長引かせる訳にはいきません。一刻も早くシャローヴァナル様の元に行かなければ）」
桁外れの質量を造り出し、続けざまにアイシスに攻撃を仕掛けるライフに対し、アイシスもまた死の魔力を全開にして応じる。
幾千幾億もの命が生まれ、即座に死んでいくその光景は、美しくも戦慄を感じさせるものだった。
"...Then...I'll...get serious too!"
"Huh?!"
As the pale light from Isis' body grew stronger, the magic power of death became a dark color that could be seen with the naked eye, and the rocks that had been raining down disappeared.
"Kuh... (This demon can even kill inanimate objects... But I can't drag this out any longer. I must get to Shallow Vernal-sama as soon as possible.)"
As Life created an extraordinary amount of mass and continued to attack Isis, Isis responded by unleashing the full force of her magic power of death.
The sight of billions of lives being born and then instantly dying was both beautiful and terrifying.
~chapter174
What appeared in front of Life was Isis with a somewhat peaceful expression on her face. However, the moment Life saw such an Isis, she was greatly shaken up inside.
(I don’t feel intimidated at all? That’s impossible…… That would mean……)
Yes, she didn’t feel any intimidation from Isis’ magic power of death now. At the same time that Life realized what this meant, Isis calmly announced.
[……I’ve always…… dreamt of a day like this…… “where I could completely control my magic power of death”…… for the way I am now…… I could even kill…… things that hold no life.]
~chapter 634
(I don’t feel intimidated at all? That’s impossible…… That would mean……)
Yes, she didn’t feel any intimidation from Isis’ magic power of death now. At the same time that Life realized what this meant, Isis calmly announced.
[……I’ve always…… dreamt of a day like this…… “where I could completely control my magic power of death”…… for the way I am now…… I could even kill…… things that hold no life.]
~chapter 634
In terms of strength, the Human-Demon Allied Forces were now overwhelming the other side, and Life, the cornerstone of the Gods, has been repeatedly killed by Isis, making it so that the Gods are incapable of keeping up with the healing and revival.
The numbers of Gods are steadily decreasing…… but they weren’t completely wiped out. Life was also being killed once every three times she activated her ability, but she was just barely able to keep the war going by prioritizing the revival of the High-ranking Gods.
Even Isis, who was able to draw out her magic power of death to the limit thanks to Fate’s ability, could not completely prevent the resurrection of the Gods because she could not kill the power of Shallow Vernal, her authority itself.
~chapter 642
The numbers of Gods are steadily decreasing…… but they weren’t completely wiped out. Life was also being killed once every three times she activated her ability, but she was just barely able to keep the war going by prioritizing the revival of the High-ranking Gods.
Even Isis, who was able to draw out her magic power of death to the limit thanks to Fate’s ability, could not completely prevent the resurrection of the Gods because she could not kill the power of Shallow Vernal, her authority itself.
~chapter 642
Man, I knew the author was making some crazy statements lately, but I wasn't paying attention closely enough. We knew Isis' race was a ghost, and she had people calling her the embodiment of death and her power being the concept of death, but this takes the cake...
？？？「そういえば、前回少しあった体重の例外ですが、アイシスさんとかも該当しますね。アイシスさんは150㎝ほどの身長ですが、体重は30ｋｇぐらいしかないです。これは、アイシスさんが『たぶんこれぐらい』って重さに調整してるだけで、浮いて移動してる時とかは体重がほぼ0になってたりしますので、割と適当に調整してる感じですね。アイシスさんは概念が実体を持ったようなゴースト種に近い存在なので、本来の体重はほぼ無い感じです」
???: “Speaking of which, regarding the weight exceptions we briefly mentioned last time, Isis-san would fall into that category too. She's about 150 cm tall, but her weight is only around 30 kg. That's because she adjusts her weight to something like, ‘This seems about right.’ When she's floating around, her weight is practically zero, so it's really just adjusted kind of arbitrarily. Since Isis-san is more like a ghost-type entity where a concept has taken physical form, she essentially doesn’t have a real, fixed body weight.”
???: “Speaking of which, regarding the weight exceptions we briefly mentioned last time, Isis-san would fall into that category too. She's about 150 cm tall, but her weight is only around 30 kg. That's because she adjusts her weight to something like, ‘This seems about right.’ When she's floating around, her weight is practically zero, so it's really just adjusted kind of arbitrarily. Since Isis-san is more like a ghost-type entity where a concept has taken physical form, she essentially doesn’t have a real, fixed body weight.”
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Yeah her killing life even, would mean her killing intent directly attacking is above her aura passively killing people. Since life should resist it just like the six Kings.
This would also be AE type 2, since she's not uninteractable and stuff. But the statement does bode well with the previous statement a while ago, that her existence IS her magic power of death. But this seems very unique to her
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Here are some other statements describing Isis' existence.
彼女は数多の死者の残した魔力が寄り集まり生まれた存在。言うならば、死という概念がそのまま実体を持った存在と言える。
故に彼女は生まれた瞬間から、その身に死の魔力を宿しており、それは彼女の意思とは無関係に周囲を威圧していた。
アイシスが相手に敵意を抱くか否か、向い合った相手が死を恐れるか否か、そんな事は一切関係なく……生物としての本能が彼女と言う存在を拒絶する。
故に彼女は孤独だった。
アイシスは魔界の大半の存在から恐怖の対象として認識されている。彼女は死霊であり、近い種族はワイトやリッチと言った者達だが……そのアンデット種でさえ、彼女を恐れていた。
She is an entity born from the accumulation of magical power left behind by numerous deceased people. In other words, she can be described as an existence that embodies the very concept of death itself.
Therefore, from the moment she was born, the magical power of death resided within her body, and it intimidated those around her regardless of her will.
Whether Isis harbors hostility towards others or not, or whether those she faces fear death or not, it doesn't matter at all... their instincts as living creatures reject her existence.
And so she was lonely.
Isis is recognized as an object of fear by most beings in the Demon Realm.
She is a spirit/ghost/departed soul(死霊), and close species include wights and liches... but even those undead species fear her.
~chapter 52
故に彼女は生まれた瞬間から、その身に死の魔力を宿しており、それは彼女の意思とは無関係に周囲を威圧していた。
アイシスが相手に敵意を抱くか否か、向い合った相手が死を恐れるか否か、そんな事は一切関係なく……生物としての本能が彼女と言う存在を拒絶する。
故に彼女は孤独だった。
アイシスは魔界の大半の存在から恐怖の対象として認識されている。彼女は死霊であり、近い種族はワイトやリッチと言った者達だが……そのアンデット種でさえ、彼女を恐れていた。
She is an entity born from the accumulation of magical power left behind by numerous deceased people. In other words, she can be described as an existence that embodies the very concept of death itself.
Therefore, from the moment she was born, the magical power of death resided within her body, and it intimidated those around her regardless of her will.
Whether Isis harbors hostility towards others or not, or whether those she faces fear death or not, it doesn't matter at all... their instincts as living creatures reject her existence.
And so she was lonely.
Isis is recognized as an object of fear by most beings in the Demon Realm.
She is a spirit/ghost/departed soul(死霊), and close species include wights and liches... but even those undead species fear her.
~chapter 52
I see, Shiro-san, who is almost omnipotent, may certainly be able to do something about Isis-san’s magic power of death. In that case, I guess this would be the easiest way huh?
While I was thinking like that, Kuro’s expression changed to a serious one.
[However, I don’t recommend this method.]
[……Why? If it’s possible, isn’t this the best method……]
[Unnn, but getting rid of Isis’ magic power of death…… would mean “she would have to remake Isis’ very existence, you know?]
[ ! ? ]
Hearing her words, I couldn’t help but feel my blood run cold.
Isis-san is a being born from the magic power of death, and the magic power of death is Isis-san herself. If I asked Shiro-san to get rid of her magic power of death, it would certainly turn into an act of rebuilding her existence.
There are ways to prevent her magic power of death from leaking out of her body, or to prevent other people from fearing her magic power of death…… but the former was an act of remaking Isis-san, while the latter was an act of remaking everyone else.
~chapter 467
While I was thinking like that, Kuro’s expression changed to a serious one.
[However, I don’t recommend this method.]
[……Why? If it’s possible, isn’t this the best method……]
[Unnn, but getting rid of Isis’ magic power of death…… would mean “she would have to remake Isis’ very existence, you know?]
[ ! ? ]
Hearing her words, I couldn’t help but feel my blood run cold.
Isis-san is a being born from the magic power of death, and the magic power of death is Isis-san herself. If I asked Shiro-san to get rid of her magic power of death, it would certainly turn into an act of rebuilding her existence.
There are ways to prevent her magic power of death from leaking out of her body, or to prevent other people from fearing her magic power of death…… but the former was an act of remaking Isis-san, while the latter was an act of remaking everyone else.
~chapter 467
『偶然手に入れた別世界の邪神の魂』を使って『感情に直接作用する魔力を持った生物』を生み出せば、感情を言うものを知ることができるかもしれない。
『感情に直接作用する魔力を持った生物』の名は、アイシス。呪われた力に苦しみながら、それでも優しき心と希望を失わなかった優しき死の王。
If I could use the "soul of an evil god from another world that I accidentally obtained" to create a "creature with magical powers that directly affect emotions", I might be able to understand what emotions are.
The name of this "creature with magical powers that directly affect emotions" is Isis. A kind king of death who, despite suffering from her cursed powers, never lost her kind heart and hope.
~chapter 675
『感情に直接作用する魔力を持った生物』の名は、アイシス。呪われた力に苦しみながら、それでも優しき心と希望を失わなかった優しき死の王。
If I could use the "soul of an evil god from another world that I accidentally obtained" to create a "creature with magical powers that directly affect emotions", I might be able to understand what emotions are.
The name of this "creature with magical powers that directly affect emotions" is Isis. A kind king of death who, despite suffering from her cursed powers, never lost her kind heart and hope.
~chapter 675
（ふ、ふざけるなヨ！ 死の王……死の王と言うなラ、私のような死霊術士カ、あるいはあの奇抜なリッチみたいなやつが出てくるべきだろうガ！！ これハ、駄目だろウ！ これハ、反則じゃないカ！ なにが死の化身ダ！ こいつハ……死そのものと言っていい存在だろうガ！？）
ラサルは死霊術士であり、死という概念に近しいところに居る。だからこそ、彼女にはアイシスの纏う死の魔力がいかに凄まじいかを、ほかの者たちより理解できた。
それゆえに、己が絶対に勝てない相手だということも即座に理解した。
（勝てる訳がないだろウ！ 死霊術士はいわバ、死という強大な力の一端を借りて戦う存在ダ。その死霊術士の私ガ、その力の本家本元と言えるような相手に勝てるわけがなイ！？）
(D- Don’t screw with me! The King of Death…… Being called the King of Death, I expected a necromancer like me or someone like that eccentric lich!!! This is no good! This is not fair! Why the heck am I facing a death incarnate!? This guy…… Isn’t she death itself!?)
Being a necromancer, Rasal is close to the concept of death. That ‘s why she could understand more than others how tremendous the magic power of death Isis was clad in.
Therefore, she immediately understood that she was an opponent she could never win against.
(There’s no way I can win! Necromancers, so to speak, are beings who fight by borrowing a part of the mighty power of death. How could I, a necromancer, win against someone who is the originator of that power!?)
~chapter 1139
ラサルは死霊術士であり、死という概念に近しいところに居る。だからこそ、彼女にはアイシスの纏う死の魔力がいかに凄まじいかを、ほかの者たちより理解できた。
それゆえに、己が絶対に勝てない相手だということも即座に理解した。
（勝てる訳がないだろウ！ 死霊術士はいわバ、死という強大な力の一端を借りて戦う存在ダ。その死霊術士の私ガ、その力の本家本元と言えるような相手に勝てるわけがなイ！？）
(D- Don’t screw with me! The King of Death…… Being called the King of Death, I expected a necromancer like me or someone like that eccentric lich!!! This is no good! This is not fair! Why the heck am I facing a death incarnate!? This guy…… Isn’t she death itself!?)
Being a necromancer, Rasal is close to the concept of death. That ‘s why she could understand more than others how tremendous the magic power of death Isis was clad in.
Therefore, she immediately understood that she was an opponent she could never win against.
(There’s no way I can win! Necromancers, so to speak, are beings who fight by borrowing a part of the mighty power of death. How could I, a necromancer, win against someone who is the originator of that power!?)
~chapter 1139
“I’m a part of Isis’ mind. It’s not that one of us is the real one or anything like that. It’s just that me and the other me blended together. If I were to explain it, you could say I’m the first Isis Remnant……. wait, Isis…… You could say that this self is another me. That’s why, you could say I indeed am Isis Remnant, but you could also say I’m different…… Hey, Kaito? Do you know who I am?”
[…………………..]
Her riddle-like phrasing makes me tilt my head back and think. She’s indeed Isis Remnant, but you could also say she’s different…… If I take her word for it, the woman in front of me is Isis-san, but not Isis-san.
As I was thinking about this, something suddenly came to my mind.
[……Could it be…… You are “her magic power of death”……]
“Unnn. You’re right…… Though I suppose the most correct answer…… would be the “memory of the being that is the origin of her magic power of death”?”
[Errr, I’m sorry. I don’t really get what you……]
“It’s alright. I’ll explain it to you. That’s why I called Kaito here like this…… However, I want to walk with Kaito for a bit. Is that no good?”
The magic power of death…… Or rather, the other Isis-san looked at me with a slightly anxious expression on her face. She had the face of the Isis-san I know so much…… Whatever the case may be, I felt such a sense of relief that the being in front of me was indeed Isis-san.
~chapter 1521
[…………………..]
Her riddle-like phrasing makes me tilt my head back and think. She’s indeed Isis Remnant, but you could also say she’s different…… If I take her word for it, the woman in front of me is Isis-san, but not Isis-san.
As I was thinking about this, something suddenly came to my mind.
[……Could it be…… You are “her magic power of death”……]
“Unnn. You’re right…… Though I suppose the most correct answer…… would be the “memory of the being that is the origin of her magic power of death”?”
[Errr, I’m sorry. I don’t really get what you……]
“It’s alright. I’ll explain it to you. That’s why I called Kaito here like this…… However, I want to walk with Kaito for a bit. Is that no good?”
The magic power of death…… Or rather, the other Isis-san looked at me with a slightly anxious expression on her face. She had the face of the Isis-san I know so much…… Whatever the case may be, I felt such a sense of relief that the being in front of me was indeed Isis-san.
~chapter 1521
『……そして、二度目は……希望の英雄に倒された。ううん、正しくは、倒されそうになって……私は体のほとんどを捨てて、最後の力を振り絞って魂だけで別の世界に逃げた……ひとりぼっちのまま……消えたくなかったから』
『でも、シャローヴァナルはワタシを消さなかった。シャローヴァナルがなにを考えていたのかはわからないけど、たぶん……気まぐれだと思う。ワタシの魂を核に作り変え……さらに大きな力を与えてから、生まれ変わらせた』
「……それが、アイシスさんってことですね」
『うん。ワタシがアイシスとして生まれ変わる過程で、死者の魔力が集まり、絶望の魔力は死の魔力に変わった……ううん、強化された。そしてなぜか、絶望の大邪神としての記憶も、完全には消えないまま魂の奥底に残っていた……ワタシたちが寂しがり屋なのは、おぼろげに残るその記憶の影響かもしれないね』
"...The second time...I was defeated by the Hero of Hope. No, to be more precise, I was almost defeated...I threw away most of my body and, using my last bit of strength, escaped to another world with just my soul...I didn't want to disappear...alone."
"But Shallow Vernal didn't erase me. I don't know what Shallow Vernal was thinking, but I think it was probably...a whim. She remade my soul as the core...and gave me even greater power before reincarnating me."
"...So that's who you are, Isis."
"Yes. In the process of my rebirth as Isis, the magic power of the dead gathered together, and the magic power of despair turned into the magic power of death...no, it was strengthened. And for some reason, my memories as the Great Evil God of Despair remained deep in my soul without ever being completely erased...the reason we're so lonely may be due to the influence of those vague memories."
~chapter 1522
『でも、シャローヴァナルはワタシを消さなかった。シャローヴァナルがなにを考えていたのかはわからないけど、たぶん……気まぐれだと思う。ワタシの魂を核に作り変え……さらに大きな力を与えてから、生まれ変わらせた』
「……それが、アイシスさんってことですね」
『うん。ワタシがアイシスとして生まれ変わる過程で、死者の魔力が集まり、絶望の魔力は死の魔力に変わった……ううん、強化された。そしてなぜか、絶望の大邪神としての記憶も、完全には消えないまま魂の奥底に残っていた……ワタシたちが寂しがり屋なのは、おぼろげに残るその記憶の影響かもしれないね』
"...The second time...I was defeated by the Hero of Hope. No, to be more precise, I was almost defeated...I threw away most of my body and, using my last bit of strength, escaped to another world with just my soul...I didn't want to disappear...alone."
"But Shallow Vernal didn't erase me. I don't know what Shallow Vernal was thinking, but I think it was probably...a whim. She remade my soul as the core...and gave me even greater power before reincarnating me."
"...So that's who you are, Isis."
"Yes. In the process of my rebirth as Isis, the magic power of the dead gathered together, and the magic power of despair turned into the magic power of death...no, it was strengthened. And for some reason, my memories as the Great Evil God of Despair remained deep in my soul without ever being completely erased...the reason we're so lonely may be due to the influence of those vague memories."
~chapter 1522
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Certainly, this is AE2 for Isis. From what I see she is basically culmination of magic power from deceased people. Her existence is basically the concept of death...her magic power is described as her existence, they are one and the same. Interesting as well, because it doesn't matter if you consciously "fear death" or not. Your existence instinctively rejects her own, and fears its own death
Furthermore, she escaped with her soul, and Shiro transformed her soul into the core of her power. Including strengthening the power of despair, to the power of death, the gathering of the dead.
Conclusion from that? Yeah...Isis's existence/core/soul is the power from gathering the magic power of the dead, and is basically death itself. As a result everything rejects being near her. This is fairly clear cut AE2 to me. As for high godly tho with others, I don't think so. Isis is very unique of an existence..hence remaking her requires said restructuring of her whole existence. Does that mean anything regen/immortality wise for her? Idk. I also wonder if this means she can kill of corrode magic power itself
Furthermore, she escaped with her soul, and Shiro transformed her soul into the core of her power. Including strengthening the power of despair, to the power of death, the gathering of the dead.
Conclusion from that? Yeah...Isis's existence/core/soul is the power from gathering the magic power of the dead, and is basically death itself. As a result everything rejects being near her. This is fairly clear cut AE2 to me. As for high godly tho with others, I don't think so. Isis is very unique of an existence..hence remaking her requires said restructuring of her whole existence. Does that mean anything regen/immortality wise for her? Idk. I also wonder if this means she can kill of corrode magic power itself
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Bluey brought up a good point, Isis directing her killing intent is more potent than her passive killing aura, which bypasses that resistance. In that case, Isis should be more than capable of killing the other Six Kings when getting serious.
I think this should confirm that Isis can kill magic power itself.
...And I think I might've found evidence of Isis being able to kill Life's authority.
When Six Kings fight each other seriously, it lasts for a few years. Since Isis can kill the Six Kings with direct killing intent, it means they have to regenerate from it for the fight to continue that long. That would give Six Kings and similar MGR.
I think this should confirm that Isis can kill magic power itself.
Fairies are beings born from the gathering of magic power of nature and are also magic power of nature. Raz showed fear from Isis' aura before, so magic power of death can do that kind of thing.
...And I think I might've found evidence of Isis being able to kill Life's authority.
Would this be conceptual erasure?
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Considering she can instill fear into beings of magic power, then yeah she can probably kill magic power itself. Because of how she works...which is making your existence itself feel fear of death instinctively.
Preventing the activation of authority by killing the activation itself is powernull. She's killing the activation of an ability. We've seen what Isis can do similar to magic power. Deactivating it and returning it to a harmless form, but uhh..I guess she can kill the activation too with her power of death(Waaaaat i dont even remember that)
But yeah, if Isis direct attack is more potent and six Kings can reverse causality to undo that or whatever. Wonder what that means for life authority. Just more effective mid godly and immortality ig
Preventing the activation of authority by killing the activation itself is powernull. She's killing the activation of an ability. We've seen what Isis can do similar to magic power. Deactivating it and returning it to a harmless form, but uhh..I guess she can kill the activation too with her power of death(Waaaaat i dont even remember that)
But yeah, if Isis direct attack is more potent and six Kings can reverse causality to undo that or whatever. Wonder what that means for life authority. Just more effective mid godly and immortality ig
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Like a little over 800 chapters to go...
But man I am going to have to do several CRTS, the more I read, the more things I come up with. The whole Megiddo situation is going to require its own thread, until I put everything together, so I can see the full picture and analyze it, will refrain from thinking about it, just makes my brain hurt.
A particularly interesting thing so far would be Mid tier Counts becoming Large Planet level or Moon level? Well depends if it even scales to Mid tiers, will have to be looked at, but yea 6 Kings dungeon created by Roze has multiple "rooms" with moons in them...
Side note enjoying the read, reminds me why I kept reading this series despite normally avoiding slice of life, still baffled how much power scaling is going into a slice of life, puts a lot of battle series to shame.
But man I am going to have to do several CRTS, the more I read, the more things I come up with. The whole Megiddo situation is going to require its own thread, until I put everything together, so I can see the full picture and analyze it, will refrain from thinking about it, just makes my brain hurt.
A particularly interesting thing so far would be Mid tier Counts becoming Large Planet level or Moon level? Well depends if it even scales to Mid tiers, will have to be looked at, but yea 6 Kings dungeon created by Roze has multiple "rooms" with moons in them...
Side note enjoying the read, reminds me why I kept reading this series despite normally avoiding slice of life, still baffled how much power scaling is going into a slice of life, puts a lot of battle series to shame.
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I can tell you what the format will be, start small, and work up to the bigger ones. World Creator hierarchy will be the last thing touched.
Count Ranks will probably be either 1st or 2nd, will be that or a CRT focused on abilities.
But yea at current pace, will take weeks to like a month or so before I am caught up.
Anyway going back to reading.
Count Ranks will probably be either 1st or 2nd, will be that or a CRT focused on abilities.
But yea at current pace, will take weeks to like a month or so before I am caught up.
Anyway going back to reading.
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the series also getting some recognition, though no anime... probably yet
Honestly given the state of the anime industry rn I think Toudai-sensei has some thought about the potential quality, because at the end of the day, it is an Isekai and lord knows how many Isekai that has subpar or even shit animation.
Welp, good luck for catching up, it was a ride so far and still enjoyable imo
Honestly given the state of the anime industry rn I think Toudai-sensei has some thought about the potential quality, because at the end of the day, it is an Isekai and lord knows how many Isekai that has subpar or even shit animation.
Welp, good luck for catching up, it was a ride so far and still enjoyable imo
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I can see this getting an anime sooner, and at an unexpected time. But yeah the scaling of this series is surprising. Getting a little confusing lol
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This thread, and by extension, the vsbw profile, basically popularized Shiro in vs culture, to the point there are all kinds of tik tok and youtube videos....
And to think this all started because I think it was @Worthless messaged me saying Shiro and Kuro were universe level and I was not convinced putting them at planet level, this series has been nothing but surprises. But yea if not for that I suppose at some point some other Isekai/LN connoisseur would have made the profiles, but probably would have taken years.
If AWLBA can have an anime years after the LN ended, only a matter of time before this series does, being a slice of life for the most part, it doesn't need amazing animation, though we can always wish for it, will keep expectations low, more worried whether they will skip/butcher important content.
And to think this all started because I think it was @Worthless messaged me saying Shiro and Kuro were universe level and I was not convinced putting them at planet level, this series has been nothing but surprises. But yea if not for that I suppose at some point some other Isekai/LN connoisseur would have made the profiles, but probably would have taken years.
If AWLBA can have an anime years after the LN ended, only a matter of time before this series does, being a slice of life for the most part, it doesn't need amazing animation, though we can always wish for it, will keep expectations low, more worried whether they will skip/butcher important content.
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Let's not even get started on the tiktok and YouTube IAP debaters. Some of the scales leave me dumbfounded lmfaoo
But yes scaling got this series popular. The manga updates semi-decently I think. It will probably get an anime at some point (maybe even soon). Unless they want to wait for this series to be completed...whenever that is. Awlba seems like it'll have good animation though, maybe this will too
But yes scaling got this series popular. The manga updates semi-decently I think. It will probably get an anime at some point (maybe even soon). Unless they want to wait for this series to be completed...whenever that is. Awlba seems like it'll have good animation though, maybe this will too
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I heard this dude was on some devil time or something, heard he's super notorious for something, crazy that he suggest something like SoL
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Wait till you see the reddit posts lmao. Shiro is surprisingly getting a lot of recognition in powerscaling recently.
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I've seen some, she is the new isekai god/king of isekai to many
Makes sense, her power has many one off things said about it, with like no challenge. Easily wankable, but it's funny to see how far people can take not just her, but the verse
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That's....the sad thing... I've seen her many times but....I haven't seen any other characters from the verse...I've seen some, she is the new isekai god/king of isekai to many
Like the best I've seen is Kuro, and that too in like 2 posts, people really need to look at everything other than just the strongest characters tbh. Like I've seen matchups for Tensura characters other than Rimuru but....well, someday for sure.
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Yogurt dethroned?!I've seen some, she is the new isekai god/king of isekai to many
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I'm sorry pookie, I've developed a sixth sense to know the perfect moment to mention himPookie dropped in for the first time to hate on yogurt
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I've seen some, she is the new isekai god/king of isekai to many
These are the posts btw....yea, some replies are funny..
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