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Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

Oh, that's in the context of the three realms. In the raws, the proper term for it is 三つの世界 = three worlds (Human Realm, Demon Realm, God Realm). And Lilia clarifies that world limited to the Human Realm was used only 1000 years ago, so it no longer holds to newer information as to how the word world is treated currently.

Lillywood remarks that although they are in the Demon Realm, it's still the same world together with the Human Realm, so she's speaking of the proper meaning of world, that is Trinia as a whole.
「何と言うか、思ったより人界と似ていますね」
『ええ、それはまぁ次元の壁で隔てられているとは言え、同じ世界ですからね。勿論生息している生物はかなり違います……魔界には大型の魔物や動物も多いですからね』
"It's more similar to the Human Realm than I thought it would be."
"Yes, well, it's the same world, even though it's separated by a dimensional wall. Of course, the creatures that live there are quite different...there are many large monsters and animals in the Demon Realm."
~chapter 126
And we know the Human Realm alone is the size of a star, so Lillywood isn't speaking of a singular planet when using world.

Furthermore, the world of Trinia is based on Makina's world, but it has a system in place that makes it work like a flat universe. It just works I guess. Because World Creators make the rules however they want.
「問題ありませんよ。というよりは、この世界はいちおう地球神の世界を参考に作ったので様々な部分が似てはいますが、星という形では存在していません。世界の端は反対側の端に繋がっているので、体感としては星に近いかもしれませんが、世界は球状ではありません」
「星じゃない？　え？　じゃあ、あの太陽とか夜の月は？」
「表現するなら、太陽も月も星空も世界のシステムとして存在しているという感じでしょうか？　どうイメージすればわかりやすいか……説明が難しいですが、この世界に時差などが無いのはそのためです」
　言われてみれば、この世界に時差は無い。別の国に移動しようが、魔界に移動しようが昼も夜も同じタイミングだ。
　イメージとしては、平面の世界にシステムとして太陽や月が存在しているような感じだろうか？　よくよく考えてみれば、そもそもこの世界は三つの世界が三層に重なっている形状と最初に説明を受けたので、俺の思い描くような宇宙があって惑星があってというのとは根本から違うのだろう。
"No problem. Actually, this world was created based on the world of Earth God, so it is similar in many ways, but it does not exist in the shape of a star. The edge of the world is connected to the other edge, so it may feel like a star, but the world is not spherical."
"It's not a star? Eh? Then what about the sun and the moon at night?"
"If I had to describe it, I would say that the sun, moon, and starry sky all exist as part of a global system. How can I visualize it in an easy-to-understand way? It's hard to explain, but that's why there is no time difference in this world."

Now that you mention it, there is no time difference in this world. Whether you move to another country or to the Demon Realm, day and night are the same timing. The image is like the sun and moon existing as a system in a flat world? Thinking about it carefully, I was first told that this world is made up of the three worlds (三つの世界) stacked on top of each other in three layers, so it's probably fundamentally different from the way I imagine a universe with planets.
~chapter 1728
 
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Some thoughts I have.

  • There isn't an insurmountable gap between mid tier Count level and Peak Count level, Lilia, Anima etc will probably be upgraded in the future.
  • Absolutely sticking with my initial thoughts that the High Ranking Gods in the Final Arc weren't strengthened to the level of Lilywood, Magnawell etc, but instead to Megiddo level. Plenty of evidence for this imo.
  • Likewise sticking with my initial thought that in the Main Story Ozma was indeed above Sealed Megiddo, Pandora as well. Again Afterstories different question.

Future CRT will be interesting for the debates I guess, wonder if I will have to split it up into different parts, I have noticed a few things to be added here and there, but will see with over a 1000 chapters left to read surely there will be lots of stuff I will notice. The read through is going quicker than the Main Story did, so hopefully I get caught up in a few months.
 
Are the mid tier count upgrades due to Neun and her party being able to beat Vier?

For the Ozma part, I think you should go with relative between Ozma and Sealed Megiddo. Him saying he could beat Sealed Megiddo isn't an indication of superiority. Even Pandora could beat Ozma at a rate of 3:7, which again is not an indication of superiority over Ozma. And it was Makina who said this. This being from the afterstories is irrelevant, what matters is that saying who beats who is not an automatic indication of superiority without more context. For all we know, Ozma beating Sealed Megiddo could be at a rate of 1:10 or even lower or higher.

I think main story Sealed Megiddo should stay as being far superior to all the other peak counts too. This is because, as a trial run, Megiddo had to beat the Six Kings Dungeon in the past, and it was not as true form Megiddo because otherwise all the other Six Kings would know of it, but only Ein, Alice, and Kuro knew of it. And all the Peak Count ranks could not clear even a single floor in it. You can leave Ozma out of this one since Kaito speculated he wasn't into doing that kind of stuff.
 
Damn it, looks like we’ve received additional information for the higher dimensions of Omnipotence God
∇∮◆￡はこの世界を比べてかなり高位次元の存在であり、2次元の住人が3次元世界を認識できないのと同じように、高位次元者である∇∮◆￡の姿や声をこの世界の住人は認識することが出来ない。

　もちろんシャローヴァナルやクロムエイナといった、高位次元を認識ないし干渉できる存在であれば見聞きすることが出来るのだが、通常は困難だ。
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多ある世界の中でも極めて高位次元の存在であり、ごく一部の例外（物語の終わり等）を除き、下位次元の法則や能力は全てティアナには通用せず、あらゆる法則をティアナは無視及び無効化できる。
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基本的には下位次元の存在がティアナとまともに渡り合うことは出来ないのだが……マキナは特殊な例であり『あらゆる次元階層に存在せず、アリスの持つ鍵以外では本人すら到達できない空間に有る本体を倒さない限り不滅』という
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It was... Suspicious

Like, really suspicious

Then again r>f isn't exactly a battleboarding exclusive concept so maybe it's legit

For now tho I'll be taking that statement as a grain of salt and wait for the translation
 
Noneless21 said:
It was... Suspicious

Like, really suspicious

Then again r>f isn't exactly a battleboarding exclusive concept so maybe it's legit

For now tho I'll be taking that statement as a grain of salt and wait for the translation
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There is no r>f here tho? Just the normal difference between dimensions which just solidifies tier 1 even more. Tho Makina not existing in any other dimension is really interesting. You would need range bigger then Trinia's to reach her and since she is a really high dimension we can assume she is at least two more higher then the dimensions we curretntly have characters at.
 
New terms in the latest raw chapter: dimensional hierarchy (次元階層) and higher-order dimension (高位次元) compared to higher dimension (高次元), so it might not be just simple dimensional difference we knew beforehand.
「そういえば、貴女の世界は主様の世界やここと比べて次元階層がかなり高位だったはずですが、その辺りの調整は大丈夫ですか？」

「はい。さすがに少し悩みましたね。いまのように姿なんかは調整することでなんとかなりましたが、問題は私の名前でして……高次元に位置する私の名前は、この世界の次元階層に生きる人たちには言語として認識できないでしょうからね」

「そうですね。ある程度の補完機能というのは誰しも持ち合わせていますから、恐らく極めて高音、あるいは低温の不思議な音として認識されるでしょうね」

　∇∮◆￡はこの世界を比べてかなり高位次元の存在であり、2次元の住人が3次元世界を認識できないのと同じように、高位次元者である∇∮◆￡の姿や声をこの世界の住人は認識することが出来ない。

　もちろんシャローヴァナルやクロムエイナといった、高位次元を認識ないし干渉できる存在であれば見聞きすることが出来るのだが、通常は困難だ。

"Come to think of it, your world had a much higher dimensional hierarchy (次元階層) compared to my Lord’s world and this place, didn’t it? Is the adjustment for that going smoothly?"

"Yes. I must admit, it gave me a bit of trouble. I managed to sort things out by adjusting my appearance, like you see now, but the real issue was my name…My name exists in a higher dimension (高次元), so it likely can’t even be perceived as language by those who live in this world's dimensional hierarchy (次元階層)."

∇∮◆￡ is a higher-order dimensional existence (高位次元の存在) compared to this world, and just as a two-dimensional being cannot perceive a three-dimensional world, the inhabitants of this world cannot perceive the appearance or voice of the∇∮◆￡ who is a higher-order dimensional being (高位次元者).

Of course, beings such as Shallow Vernal or Kuromueina, who can perceive or interfere with higher-order dimensions (高位次元), are able to see and hear ∇∮◆￡. However, it is exceedingly difficult.

The brain’s compensatory mechanisms might interpret ∇∮◆￡ as a grotesque monster or produce strange, discomforting sounds to approximate the perception—but such impressions do not allow for meaningful communication. Therefore, in order to enter this world, ∇∮◆￡ has adjusted their physical form and linguistic functions. However, their name remains beyond adjustment, so a separate solution was devised for that issue.
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【双極神ティアナ】

数多ある世界の中でも極めて高位次元の存在であり、ごく一部の例外（物語の終わり等）を除き、下位次元の法則や能力は全てティアナには通用せず、あらゆる法則をティアナは無視及び無効化できる。

本来であれば下位次元であるトリニィアの住人はティアナの姿を認識できず、言語も理解できないのだが、その辺りは訪問にあたって調整している……早い話がゴ○ラシンギュラポイントみたいな存在。

基本的には下位次元の存在がティアナとまともに渡り合うことは出来ないのだが……マキナは特殊な例であり『あらゆる次元階層に存在せず、アリスの持つ鍵以外では本人すら到達できない空間に有る本体を倒さない限り不滅』という、極大矛盾による世界創造主たちの中でも屈指と言っていい不滅性を持つので、戦いが成立する可能性があるため若干の勝率はあるが、素の戦闘力も桁違いに高いためやはり不利。

[Bipolar God Tiana]

An extremely higher-order dimensional existence (高位次元の存在), even among the countless worlds. With very few exceptions (such as the Epilogue), none of the laws or abilities of lower dimensions apply to Tiana. She can ignore or nullify all such laws at will.

Ordinarily, the inhabitants of Trinia—a lower-dimensional world—would be unable to perceive Tiana's form or comprehend her language. However, she has made adjustments to allow for interaction during her visit... To put it simply, she’s the kind of being you’d compare to in G○dzilla: Singular Point.

Normally, a lower-dimensional being would have no chance of facing Tiana on equal footing... however, Makina is a special case. Due to an extreme contradiction, she possesses one of the most formidable forms of immortality even among the world creators: her true body resides in a space that exists in no dimensional hierarchy (次元階層) and cannot be reached except through the key held by Alice. Because of this, a battle can theoretically occur, and there is a slight possibility of victory. Still, given that Tiana’s base combat power is overwhelmingly high, the odds remain unfavorable.
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translation by chatgpt, crazy. And they are also a higher-order dimensional existence themselves, not just their AP and Dura.
 
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Very interesting statement.

Seems Bipolar God is higher dimensional even compared to other Beyond Omnipotent beings like Makina, so at the very least 7-D, and Nebula's ability is to become a better version of yourself and encompass everything, makes her like 8-D.

Still though the "being of exceeding high dimension" is an interesting statement, all World Creators are higher dimensional, this can be interpreted as Bipolar being something which has a large/great/excessive number of dimensions. Frankly I lean towards the latter, which would make Bipolar somewhere in 1-B.

Makina's immortal is broken, basically seems that if you exist on a dimensional scale whether that's 4-D or 100-D, you still can't kill her... You need to be 1-A to kill her is what it implies.

But yea, seems like we are getting an hierarchy here, as we wanted.
 
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The Beyond Omnipotent stuff has been more than reasonably retconned by recent information and how world creator matters are treated. Makina is stated as Omnipotent and Omniscient, so the current hierarchy is:
quasi-omnipotent, omnipotent, omnipotent and omniscient, and Nebula who is absolute.

edit: on top of Makina's true form being unreachable by any dimensional hierarchy, wouldn't this give nebula's encompass a possibly 1-A rating? Since Makina admitted that she couldn't beat her no matter what like with Epilogue.
 
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What the...the author is going nuts now. Established an actual dimensional heirarchy? That actually fits with the verse...

5D -Quasi omnipotence
6D -Omnipotence/Omnipotence and Omniscience
7D and above - Higher order dimensional, that a world creator how a world creator views the lower basically.

However if this is the case, if we assume Makina is 1A immortality..how the heck would she even beat fist God still? Since it says she can(even if a small possibility), but it shouldn't be possible given the dimensional difference. She legit can't be comprehended normally. "A space in no dimensional heirarchy" I'm also not sure if it'd be considered auto 1A on here. I can maybe see it. My only thing is it doesn't necessarily imply superiority over all dimension (unless official TL does)

Not sure how to take "'exceeding higher dimension" myself. It obviously means higher dimension, but if we assume 1-B, then like what amount? Kindve an odd guess if we make it so. Then Nebula can encompass that heirarchy. Atp, Nebula may just get the higher tier that I know some people have wanted for a while. We'll probably get more about this heirarchy later on tho.

(This also makes it clearer how exactly bipolar God can literally just punch through everyone's stuff lol. Like her punching through Makinas literal RE to always improve made one think she also had some RE, maybe powernull? But nah, she's just straight up a higher-order of power, with different laws)
 
Statement there doesn't seem to say Makina can win, just won't die due to absurd Immortality.

Idk about Omnipotents in general being a dimensional level Quasi, it's kind of implied, but not really confirmed.

But overall interesting statements. Will see what I think about it once i am caught up, everything I say here is conditional, it's not necessarily what will be in a future CRT.
 
It says "there is a slight possibility of victory"....seems like a chance of winning to me, but probably better to wait to see more

Also now that I think about it, there is now an established order for how a higher dimensional person views a lower in here. I actually am curious how that will affect Quasi and full on omnipotent scaling. Since that kindve relationship isn't established between them. But there is that temporal dimensions thing. Maybe just a certain amount of dimensions is 1 order, another amount a higher one ig.
 
Also it seems all of her stuff is more fundamental then any of the lower ones and there are feats so there's that as well. Fundamental like how cm1 is more fundamental then cm2
 
It's a case of laws in the higher dimensions being superior to the lower ones. Which frankly idk how it works here either. Since WCs are/decide the rules for the lower universes. Are higher order beings similarly the rules for them? Probably not, but they would transcend stuff like time/space/life in a similar manner I guess. Does that mean more "'fundamental"? I think it depends on how we view their relationship to the lower dimensions

Also kuro/Shiro being able to perceive and interfere with higher order dimensions makes no sense to me. They are omnipotent level and shouldn't be able to. Unless it's for similar reasons like Makina..? Idk
 
I have something of interest for a possible dimensional difference between quasi-omnipotent and omnipotent.

When the thread passes, quasi-omnipotent will be rated as 6-D, due to transcending space and time, and Kuro's feat of destroying multiple temporal dimensions.

Here is a feat of an omnipotent interacting with a quasi-omnipotent:
It might be just my imagination, but I felt like I heard the sound of something popping. And then, seeing the dagger that Alice took out of nowhere, Kuro and Fate-san’s faces turned pale.

[Authority Activated. Limited Loan Request…… Codename: Abyss Tartarus.]

[……Ahh, I can’t move…… The whole spatial axis is restrained. Fate-chan, this is probably gonna be bad, right?]

[I feel like something omnipotent is coming…… Shall-tan had such a hidden card huh……]

[This presence…… I remember sensing that from that battle in the God Realm…… Magnawell’s clone, this…… Is it possible that Shalltear is on good terms with Earth God?]
~chapter 1504
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This confirms some things. One, the iron sphere that appeared in Trinia at the end of the main story wasn't Makina's true form, but an Abyss Tartarus. Two, Abyss Tartarus can restrain Kuro, who was quasi-omnipotent at this point in the afterstories, by manipulating the spatial axis in Trinia, or more specifically, in Fate's temple in the God Realm. That implies that there is another higher dimension in Trinia, and it makes sense since it was created by Shiro who was still omnipotent in the past. Therefore, omnipotents should be at least 7-D.

However, in addition to the latest chapter, we can confirm that omnipotents can do more than that. They can perceive and interfere with higher-order dimensions, so their range could be much higher than we think. And yet, to Tiana, Makina is a lower-dimensional existence. She is called an extremely higher-order dimensional existence (極めて高位次元の存在), so Tiana could be many times above baseline higher-order dimensional.

I think, in the matchup between Makina and Tania, her slight chance of winning would be to tank hits from her and use RE to rise up to their level, but considering Tania can nullify that, it might take ages for a chance like that to occur.
 
At this point everybody is a smuff and everyone has some bullshit in them...
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There is no r>f here tho? Just the normal difference between dimensions which just solidifies tier 1 even more. Tho Makina not existing in any other dimension is really interesting. You would need range bigger then Trinia's to reach her and since she is a really high dimension we can assume she is at least two more higher then the dimensions we curretntly have characters at.
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The comparison made was as if 2 dimensional beings can't comprehend 3 dimensional beings, not only that, the average Joe can't even comprehend her name. She's basically the knockoff Outer God from Cthulhu. There's about 70% chance she might qualify for 1-A
 
Will Quasi omnipotents be 6D? I thought it was something like shiro/kuro/Eden being exceptions, and they themselves can mess with multiple temporal dimensions. Especially since fate can't despite being Quasi

They also seem to be exceptions with viewing higher order dimensions. So maybe range or something for them...plus I guess the ability to comprehend higher powers. Whatever that grants

Makinas immortality also seems like range. Didn't she get her power from Isis core or something, to become omnipotent. And isis was also in a similar place with no left or right? Forgot exactly...plus Alice is able to enter the realm with a key. Not sure how that affects a potential 1A not gonna lie. I just wonder where this all comes into play.

The 2 and 3D example also is explaining a dimensional difference. Like a WC views the world in that way, Tiana views WC the same. So idk about that 1A part for her- its using higher dimensions to display her existence


I think I prefer IaP when it wasn't as confusing and didn't cook my brain ngl...where did the times go
 
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Will Quasi omnipotents be 6D? I thought it was something like shiro/kuro/Eden being exceptions, and they themselves can mess with multiple temporal dimensions. Especially since fate can't despite being Quasi

They also seem to be exceptions with viewing higher order dimensions. So maybe range or something for them...plus I guess the ability to comprehend higher powers. Whatever that grants

Makinas immortality also seems like range. Didn't she get her power from Isis core or something, to become omnipotent. And isis was also in a similar place with no left or right? Forgot exactly...plus Alice is able to enter the realm with a key. Not sure how that affects a potential 1A not gonna lie. I just wonder where this all comes into play.

The 2 and 3D example also is explaining a dimensional difference. Like a WC views the world in that way, Tiana views WC the same. So idk about that 1A part for her- its using higher dimensions to display her existence


I think I prefer IaP when it wasn't as confusing and didn't cook my brain ngl...where did the times go
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Pegasus has Fate listed as 5-D in the upgrade thread, tho idk why she isn't on the same dimensional level as the others. She interfered with the past to negate Shiro's authority, which should be a feat of manipulating a temporal dimension. She can't nullify the authority directly because she's weaker than Shiro, which isn't an indication of a dimensional inferiority imo.

I think being able to perceive higher order dimensions and interfere with them will be cosmic awareness and range smurf. There's a new CRT mentioning a new standard was passed where this might be fitting, check it out later.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/game-sonic-hax-downgrade-adjustment.179450/

Makina became a world creator due to Isis core, no mention of her becoming immediately omnipotent, she went on to a journey that went as long as billions of years, so she grew overtime. Alice was brought to that space by Makina inviting her where there were protocols and security checks before entering. Alice was then gifted the key by Makina to come and go as she pleases in that space, and it's actually helpful for a possibly 1-A rating for it because it's utterly inaccessible without some kind of pathway deliberately left behind for lower beings to enter.
 
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Interfering with the past is something a 4-D being can do, in fact the first temporal dimension is time. So Fate feat of manipulating the past proves nothing, she is just 5-D for transcending time.

But yea Fate just took a step into WC, and is inferior to Shiro, she doesn't have the feats in the Main Story to prove she scales, Afterstories is different.
 
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Pegasus has Fate listed as 5-D in the upgrade thread, tho idk why she isn't on the same dimensional level as the others. She interfered with the past to negate Shiro's authority, which should be a feat of manipulating a temporal dimension. She can't nullify the authority directly because she's weaker than Shiro, which isn't an indication of a dimensional inferiority imo.

I think being able to perceive higher order dimensions and interfere with them will be cosmic awareness and range smurf. There's a new CRT mentioning a new standard was passed where this might be fitting, check it out later.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/game-sonic-hax-downgrade-adjustment.179450/

Makina became a world creator due to Isis core, no mention of her becoming immediately omnipotent, she went on to a journey that went as long as billions of years, so she grew overtime. Alice was brought to that space by Makina inviting her where there were protocols and security checks before entering. Alice was then gifted the key by Makina to come and go as she pleases in that space, and it's actually helpful for a possibly 1-A rating for it because it's utterly inaccessible without some kind of pathway deliberately left behind for lower beings to enter.
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Huh...range and Cosmic Awareness makes sense then. So hax smurf is basically getting removed for range? Which, funnily enough makes sense in this case now. They have the range to perceive the higher dimensions and interfere with it. I did not expect this to come of smurf hax, but ig it does make sense. IaP however beforehand kinda implied superiority with smurf hax, not rlly range. But it does kindve do both later on

As for the space and the key, my main thing is her having the ability to enter the 1A realm as a much inferior being normally even if she got that key. Like she's not buffed or anything, yet can interact with stuff. But I guess if Makina allows it? Not sure...I guess we'll see how the realm is even treated when the time comes. Though her "core" I don't think got stronger. It does have something going for it, if even higher order dimensional can't reach it. Tho it may also be a range thing. We'll see...imagine next thing, we suddenly have outer isis or something
 
I wonder if author gonna rework the higher dimension stuff on this chapter with better wording later or add in few more things in future chapter
 
Probably both, he already reworked Mamakina's position from "beyond omnipotent" to "omnipotent and omniscient"

Considering the whole thing he might wanna add more too but who know
 
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At this point everybody is a smuff and everyone has some bullshit in them...

The comparison made was as if 2 dimensional beings can't comprehend 3 dimensional beings, not only that, the average Joe can't even comprehend her name. She's basically the knockoff Outer God from Cthulhu. There's about 70% chance she might qualify for 1-A
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That's just the standard difference between dimensions tho...plus she is still in some dimensional hierchy which would be an atfi feat for 1-A unless you wanna argue that it's another hierchy different from the normal dimensional one but then you would have to prove qualitative superiority for it if you want 1-A. Consenquently might make Shiro High-1A
 
Was checking out the main page for the verse and some of the links are funnily irrelevant for the webnovel now. The calculations for Megiddo blowing up a mountain doesn't have much value with the weaker peak count ranks being 4-A. Destroying the Demon Realm and Human Realm would need to be redone now that the Human Realm has a landmass equivalent to a star. The Demon Realm will also be twice as large as a result. Behemoth size would stay relevant as the minimum tier of baron ranks.

The size of Trinia page could be edited to explain what kind of world Trinia is, which would later further help a cosmology page.
「問題ありませんよ。というよりは、この世界はいちおう地球神の世界を参考に作ったので様々な部分が似てはいますが、星という形では存在していません。世界の端は反対側の端に繋がっているので、体感としては星に近いかもしれませんが、世界は球状ではありません」
「星じゃない？　え？　じゃあ、あの太陽とか夜の月は？」
「表現するなら、太陽も月も星空も世界のシステムとして存在しているという感じでしょうか？　どうイメージすればわかりやすいか……説明が難しいですが、この世界に時差などが無いのはそのためです」
　言われてみれば、この世界に時差は無い。別の国に移動しようが、魔界に移動しようが昼も夜も同じタイミングだ。
　イメージとしては、平面の世界にシステムとして太陽や月が存在しているような感じだろうか？　よくよく考えてみれば、そもそもこの世界は三つの世界が三層に重なっている形状と最初に説明を受けたので、俺の思い描くような宇宙があって惑星があってというのとは根本から違うのだろう。
"No problem. Actually, this world was created based on the world of Earth God, so it is similar in many ways, but it does not exist in the shape of a star. The edges of the world are connected to the opposite ends, so it may feel like a star, but the world is not spherical."
"It's not a star? Eh? Then what about the sun and the moon at night?"
"If I had to describe it, I would say that the sun, moon, and starry sky all exist as part of a global system. How can I visualize it in an easy-to-understand way? It's hard to explain, but that's why there is no time difference in this world."

Now that you mention it, there is no time difference in this world. Whether you move to another country or to the Demon Realm, day and night are the same timing. The image is like the sun and moon existing as a system in a flat world? Thinking about it carefully, I was first told that this world is made up of the three worlds (三つの世界) stacked on top of each other in three layers, so it's probably fundamentally different from the way I imagine a universe with planets.
~chapter 1728
  1. Trinia is based on Makina's world, which does not refer to the universe or the planet Earth. It's the structure that contains all of those, so Trinia is spoken of on a universal scale.
  2. Trinia is a flat world where it is not spherical like a star. The sun, moon, and starry sky still exist up above that works as a global system where time operates the same everywhere, a form of law manipulation I'll bet. When you reach one edge of the world, you then appear on the opposite end of the world.
  3. Trinia's three realms are stacked on top of each other in three layers like a sandwich, each separated by dimensional walls with a sky above them all. This is the composition of Trinia as a whole, so the combined size of the three realms could possibly be the size of a universe. Trinia might feel like a star, but it's not. This is one huge ass landmass the size of a universe, lmao.
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A huge paw swung down.
This blow, which can easily crush a human body if it hits, is deflected with a left hand and counter-struck with a clenched right fist.
The right fist strikes the face of the Black Bear as if it’s catching it, but unfortunately, the weight difference between them is too great for the punch to be an effective hit.
~chapter 77
This came to my attention which can work as a standard for anyone at Kaito's level or above to have Class 25 to Class K lifting strength and a 9-B rating. Of course, everyone should already have a rating higher than 9-B, but their lifting strength is surprisingly on the lower side.
 
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Since the Isekai at Peace smurf will or might be gone, I think it's time to discuss about he elephant in the room, Isis' Magic Power of Death that has some... Unique property

Basically her Magic aura capable of affecting people with weaker magic power more than people with more magic power, this is why she can only befriend The Six Kings when she came to existence.

This raises a lot of question like does the amount of magic power someone has affect the resistance of said person, and what about authority that can straight up ignore that rule and do its own thing entirely

I dunno, I think it might be worth to check it out, we might get a lot of layers out of this, even reaching billions (since the difference between Iris, a Count ranked being and Isis is stated to be in the billions, which I presume to be the case in the amount of magic power too)
 
Feels as if layers would stay relatively similar? To say billions of layers would be like saying 1 layer per multiplier up to billions...idk about that. That said, I would like to know how smurf stuff like certain authorities, and shiros blessing will be. Last I remember, fates authority when serious was smurf right? Based off being comparable or above above Isis magic power of death
 
[Hahaha, well~~ You really are strong, Isis. That magic power of yours is especially interesting. For the clash of our magic of the same level to result in mine getting outclassed, that means your magic power is special, right?]
~chapter 1511
(Even so, she still can’t fully control that magic power huh. Magic power that can’t be blocked by barriers or Defensive Magic…… Isis’ magic power is clearly superior to normal magic power. Its nature is close to that of Gods’ Authority…… resembling Ein’s Time Magic. Did she do something again? Geez……)
~chapter 1512
“……Kuromueina, is there any way to protect oneself against Isis’ magic power other than a person being reasonably strong?”

[I’ve done some research, but it seems difficult. The magic power of death is too unique. Its nature is so close to the Gods’ authority that it can’t be blocked by any kind of Defensive Magic.]

“Authority?”

[Yeah. Errr, besides the Demon Realm where we live, there’s another realm where the World Creator…… the God who created this world resides, the God Realm. Well, if I explain about stuff in detail, this will take long, so it’s enough if you simply recognize that authority is the power of that Creator, a higher power than magic.]
[Anyhow, returning back to the topic, Isis’ magic power of death has several characteristics. First of all, it has the power to instill fundamental fear in those who come into contact with it. Regarding this, it has this characteristic of “the greater the difference in ability with Isis, the greater the effect”. If the magic power of death comes in contact with Lillywood, whose strength was on par with Isis, it would only have an effect equivalent to her magic power exerting slight pressure, but if the difference in ability is large, it would be at a level where coming on contact with it would make a person lose consciousness. Though I say that, that was already after Isis managed to mitigate the effect to a considerable extent.]

“I did hear how before Kuromueina taught her, she used to kill all living and inorganic things around her.”

[Unnn. Next, the pressure exerted by her magic power of death is influenced by Isis’ own mentality. Well, magic power originally is something easily influenced by emotions, but that is especially remarkable in her magic power of death. And finally, the magic power of death itself is so strong that even Isis herself can’t completely control it. If Isis grows and becomes much stronger than she is now, she might be able to control it, but that will take her a huge amount of years.]
~chapter 1515
[……Lillywood…… keep everyone away from me…… I’m going…… to “get serious”.]

“Isis…… Yes, I understand. Lillie, bring the others and leave this floating island.”

Hearing Isis’ quiet mutter, Lillywood turned to her followers acting as her support…… the Seven Princesses to leave.

[Lillywood-sama!? H- However, we are……]

“Because you possess powerful strength even among the Count-ranks, you think you’re fully capable of fighting even if you’re exposed to Isis’ magic power of death, is it? If that’s what you think, you’d rather change your perception immediately……”

[ ! ? ]

“The only thing you’ve been able to endure…… “is nothing more than a fragment of the magic power of death that Isis, who possesses the highest magic control technique in the Demon Realm, can’t suppress with all her might”. Leave immediately.”
~chapter 627
“……Hmmm. This is something only I can do right now. With the blessing Kaito received from Shallow Vernal, ordinary Mental Magic will be nullified.”
~chapter 1522
Serious-senpai : [……The real question is, how much difference is there between the current Iris and Isis?]

? ? ? : [Let’s see. Well, if Iris’ current combat power is 1, then Isis’ would have around a billion or a trillion.]

Serious-senpai : [……The power balance is too one-sided.]
~chapter 736
The relevant scans for it. Magic power of death wins even against magic of the same level. And the strength of it is higher with the difference in ability. Could this be treated as multiple layers? I don't know myself. What's interesting is that even when Isis gains full control of it through Fate's CPoF, she still isn't at quasi-omnipotent level and can't kill Shiro's authority.
Strength Rankings (Limited to Quasi- Omnipotent and Above, as of the Current Story):

Shallow Vernal (Exception)

Nebula > > > An insurmountable wall > > > Bipolar God, ∇f £ > > > > > Machine God, Makina > Vicissitude God, Canalis = Virtual God, Electrone > Underworld King, Kuromueina = Shallow Vernal (if Epilogue is not part of the equation) > Phantasmal King, Alice > Earth's God, Eden > God of Fate, Fate > > > > > Isis, who is gradually awakening to Authority-level power after accepting the magic power of death (*She's still not Quasi-Omnipotent).
~chapter 2190
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What's interesting is that even when Isis gains full control of it through Fate's CPoF, she still isn't at quasi-omnipotent level and can't kill Shiro's authority.
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Author will probably dump something on us like that is only a half of Isis's power in total, because it's split up somewhere else. Just like how it was when she was a world creator, her power was split...I almost have no doubt the author has something planned with this
 
I would like to talk about WC's information manipulation type 2. Yes, I agree that they have it, I just think there's a much better and cleaner justification available than what's already on the profile.
●●● : [……Even I could make something like that too. Kaito-san won’t rely on me. Even though anything is possible if he just relies on me……]

▲▲▲ : [……Why won’t my child talk to Mother about this? If it’s for my beloved child, I could create as much of that whatever space as he wants……]
~chapter 537

[……Ummm, Shiro-san?]

[What is it?]

[You said every game on Earth…… Does that include online games?]

[Yes.]

[……From where is it connected?]

[It’s connected in the cyberspace I’ve created in this world.]
~chapter 597
Ah, maybe this cyberspace of the online game functions like a kind of parallel world. Originally, Aoi-chan and I were summoned around early summer, so she should have already played this June event.

So, just like with the Founding Festival, there might be a split in the timeline…… one where Aoi-chan was playing alone in June in our original world, and another where she’s playing alongside me here.
~chapter 2169

For example, this is purely speculation but…… Eden-san…… or rather, Makina-san, might have granted me something akin to a Blessing.

That explanation would actually make the most sense. This online game is connected to a parallel world, but it’s still part of Earth’s cyberspace. If Makina-san’s blessing were exerting a powerful influence, granting me extreme luck, it would be a reasonable conclusion.
~chapter 2174
I had just pulled an insanely rare item in a single try, which made me realize, this might be due to Shiro-san’s Blessing.

(No, strictly speaking, that game world is considered a separate world, so I have adjusted it so that my Blessing does not affect it.)
~chapter 2173
Originally a mere fragment of malicious data, it transformed under an absurdly immense power, becoming a malevolent entity within cyberspace.

Its power in the digital world was immense. And in today’s world, controlling cyberspace was practically equivalent to ruling the entire world.

It understood that the place it inhabited was akin to a parallel world, but that was a trivial matter. If this was the world it now resided in, then it would simply follow its own malevolence and plunge it into chaos……
~chapter 2175

Even without understanding the words, it immediately recognized the being before it as something possessing unfathomable strength.

Though it was merely a collection of malignant data, it instinctively trembled and dropped to its knees, without even realizing that what it felt was fear……
~chapter 2175
『……Adjusting language to a level that an inferior existence can comprehend…… <Not that it actually matters, but a pathetic scrap of digital garbage like you trying to meddle with Miyama Kaito-sama? Die!> ……Message transmission, complete. Conducting erasure.』

After speaking in words that could now be understood, the being lightly raised a hand.

That was all it took, before the digital monster, an entity with enough power to destroy the world, vanished without leaving behind even a fragment of data.
~chapter 2175
WCs have shown feats of creating digital worlds and those are treated with the same realness as a real world instead of being 11-C. They can also interact with pure digital beings and erase them without leaving a single trace. This'll be grounds for future evidence to suggest HGR type info 2 for WCs.
 
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I just realized...

Since Makina will get either some crazy Immortality type 8 (or even a 1-A smurf one), doesn't that means Nebula and Shiro kinda just... I dunno... transcend them? Does that mean Shiro will finally be 1 or even 2 layers above 1-A?
 
Since apparently, if a verse treats higher d stuff as smurf it remains as such, I think the smurf stuff in this series will remain
And yes, if Makinas immortality is 1A, the other two would transcend it. Or at the very least Shiro.

Info stuff for WC seemed solid already, but I can't forget author is kinda going crazy with the feats now.
 
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