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Yeah, causality intertwines with most stuff. Manipulating time, manipulating fate also messes with the law of causality and all that good stuff.
So by manipulating the law of causality here, it's the time within other dimensions along with their present one. Is it enough for 6D? Idk...because I assume we'd think the 4th and then the 5th as they're messing with time in the world of Trinia.
If we're going with 6D tho, both Eden and Shiro are 5D, possibly 7D. Wouldn't it be more supporting evidence towards that?
all I'm saying is, while I trust the fan translation, pulling multiple layers of temporal dimension speed thing after Tensura got theirs cooked to oblivion sounds sketchy
If someone like Fate who just got to God level, and doesn't have full control over her power, can still alter the past, this is obviously something natural for a God to do. In the Shiro vs Kuro fight, a differentiation is made between worlds and dimensions. A world is a literally just a universe, we see Shiro creating these worlds and it's a universe, so why isn't it just said that Kuro used Prologue to gain the ability to traverse worlds? Why are worlds and dimensions mentioned?
We know Kuro transcends time and space, being a higher existence than a universe, so not having the range or ability to affect "dimensions" makes no sense to me. Adding the context with Eden where she was affecting multiple dimensions at the same time in order to be the first to give Kaito a gift, I am thinking dimensions are being used in the context of temporal dimensions.
In short, think I will make an argument for Quasi-Omnipotent on Shiro's level being 6-D based on Kuro destroying several dimensions, which I think means several temporal dimensions.
If its the war arc CRT we should probably add in the fact that there is some sort of conceptual "absorption" going on if Fate failed to stop Shiro's magical energy from painting her over
Some unconventional resistance to power absorption I guess
When arguing for higher dimensions to be time dimensions, chapter 635 has Shiro attacking Kuro from another dimension, then Kuro scratched her cheek from outside that dimension. After that, many dimensions collapsed from the aftermath of Shiro catching Kuro's fist once the battle happened in the same dimension. Should this be treated as speed feats?
If we treat the dimensions as temporal dimensions, yea Immeasurable speed would follow, Kuro attacked Shiro while in another dimension, which Shiro saw coming and moved her head, hence she only got a scratch on her cheek. So they can attack across temporal dimensions and react to and dodge those attacks.
Strength Rankings (Limited to Quasi- Omnipotent and Above, as of the Current Story):
Shallow Vernal (Exception)
Nebula > > > An insurmountable wall > > > Bipolar God, ∇f £ > > > > > Machine God, Makina > Vicissitude God, Canalis = Virtual God, Electrone > Underworld King, Kuromueina = Shallow Vernal (if Epilogue is not part of the equation) > Phantasmal King, Alice > Earth's God, Eden > God of Fate, Fate > > > > > Isis, who is gradually awakening to Authority-level power after accepting the magic power of death (*She's still not Quasi-Omnipotent).
I mean that kinda foreshadowed by canalis like hundred chapter agos about world creator that have insanely big body
Now she talk about some of the sizes
Going to see if I can fix this calc, may result in lifting strength and ap upgrades who knows, not really going to touch that until I get through afterstories. We also have a definitive way to calc destroying Trinia in the afterstories, so will save all that for later.
Seeing the activation of her magic, Iris stopped her attacks once. Then, with a look of admiration on her face, she moved her gaze to the surrounding scenery that had changed from what it had been a moment ago.
What should have been a deserted island in the daytime had somehow turned into a hilltop under the starry skies.
[…This is the first time I’ve seen this. The highest level of Barrier Magic, dragging the opponent into the space created by the caster…”Large-Scale Spatial Barrier” huh…]
Large-Scale Spatial Barrier… It can be described as the profoundest form of Barrier Magic, a magic that forcibly drags the opponent into a field in their favor.
What’s troublesome with this magic is that it is difficult to escape from the inside because it can be as vast as the caster wants it to be, depending on the magic power of the caster.
Therefore, Iris stopped attacking for a moment. As long as you’ve been captured by a Large-Scale Spatial Boundary, everything within it is within the enemy’s attack range…
[I’ve heard that the Large-Scale Spatial Barrier has completely different effects depending on the user… Now then, I wonder what this space is like?]
[You’re still as composed as usual… I’m beyond irritated now, but I know that I’d feel just as refreshed soon. But well, let’s see how long you can keep your composure up!]
[This is also… quite the spectacular view.]
As if in response to Polaris’ words, the space finally bared its fangs on Iris. The stars that had been twinkling in the sky, all fell to the ground at once… raining down towards Iris.
The shooting stars raining down incessantly filled the space with thunderous roars and explosions. When Iris blocked them with a powerful Defensive Magic, Polaris flew to her, fists at the ready, and swung her arm.
Holding no feints, just a simple straight right punch… However, the strike from Polaris’ body, which has been trained beyond its limits, penetrated through Iris’ Defensive Magic and head straight into her body.
Once her Defensive Magic had been broken, the rest of the shooting stars rained down like waves, and explosions and smoke engulfed Iris’ body.
Confirming such a scene, Polaris clapped her hands… and the Large-Scale Spatial Barrier that had been created converged with Iris at its center, and disappeared with a tremendous explosion. An attack with a Large-Scale Spatial Barrier, a strike with a body that boasts an unbelievable amount of physical strength, and for good measure, a Spatial Annihilation Attack… She doesn’t expect that a battle between peak Count-ranks wouldn’t be settled by something of this level, but Polaris still expects that she dealt a certain amount of damage.-Chapter 787
Polaris forcibly drags Iris in to a space, which is as vast as the caster wants it to be. This space has a starry sky which Polaris then has the literal stars fall on Iris, after which Polaris nukes the entire space....
Now it being described as shooting stars kind of had me thinking whether its just meteors being meant here, but a couple things make it unlikely for me, 1 this space is so vast even Peak Count Ranks have trouble getting out, the same Counts Rank who can teleport all around the world of Trinia, 2 its stated here that the stars were twinkling, which is specific to actual stars as stars twinkle due to all the refractions light goes through before it reaches us and the sheer distance from us that stars are.
So what does it all mean in effect? Peak Count Ranks are Multi-Solar System level, and Polaris specifically has like MFTL+ attack speed. Of course it upgrades the 6 Kings, but makes something else which was posted before make sense:
There are a few keypoints I will place here incase anyone wants to make a future CRT for the verse
Cosmic Level Six Kings : Laguna's spear was stated to endure cosmic level attacks. This being accounted for was still said to be a inferior to Lilia interms of being a bug to the world. We know Lilia's full potential is upto the Six Kings level so perhaps an argument could be made (?)
Nobody dreamed of the 6 Kings, much mess Count Ranks being this high...
All the dreaming is for the higher tiers like me dreaming of there being some sort of dimensional hierarchy between omnipotent and quasi-omnipotent.
The billion or trillion statement might not be legit to use anymore, because massive multipliers require a lot of proof to accept, and before it was accepted because it somehow lined up with surface wiping, which they have statement for and would be a billions times above Sealed Meggiddo.
But yea even then that statement was about Iris who hadn't been trained by Alice and Isis and was said to be upper Count Rank, so not really usable, still makes the difference between Sealed Meggiddo and other kings bonkers, but somehow early on we were lead to believe he had a draw against Lilywood, clearly untrue.
well even if the multipliers can't be used anymore, it's still crazy that the Peak count ranks can reach beyond tier 6, but then there's the problem with the God's scaling where the Upper Ranking God got buffed 10 times and they're suddenly Six Kings level
There could be other supporting reasoning for the multiplier to be legit.
Serious-senpai: [Incidentally, what is the approximate strength of Iris right now?]
???: [Well, from an overall perspective, I'd say she'd be around "upper Count-rank".]
Serious-senpai: [Eh? But she beat Agni, who should be at peak Count-rank before, right?]
???: [That was because it was a match with rules and a crowd that couldn't be involved, and because Agni-san agreed to a head-on power competition. If they were to seriously fight with the intention of killing each other, the current Iris would have no chance.]
Serious-senpai: [......Eh? For you to think that she would die.......]
???: [I'm saying this now, but when someone reaches the level of a Six Kings' executive, you can almost always revive yourself by default. Even when they die, they can come back to life by themselves.]
Serious-senpai: [......Six Kings' executives are amazing.]
Iris still had power comparable to a peak count rank like Agni in their fight during the Six Kings Festival. Her burst power is also still not the strongest among count ranks yet, that belonged to Pandora atp. And she used a magical barrier to defend against Agni who has Multi-Solar System Level AP. That Iris is still a billion or trillion times inferior to Six Kings, a statement made by Alice who is the most knowledgeable about the peerage system since she created it.
In other news, there's this statement.
Strengthened by Shallow Vernal, Chronois has nearly ten times the magic power of her normal self. Her physical power that comes with that magic power is overwhelming, and even if she were to be attacked by a strike that held enough power to wipe out all in this space, she wouldn’t take much damage.
In fact, the current Chronois doesn’t even suffer a scratch even when she is attacked by Ein, who is comparable to the Six Kings.
The Supreme Gods buffed by Shiro have durability so large, they wouldn't take much damage from an attack that can wipe out EVERYONE in the space made for the final war arc. That includes all the buffed gods, all the demons, and the Six Kings minus Alice and true form Meggido.
well even if the multipliers can't be used anymore, it's still crazy that the Peak count ranks can reach beyond tier 6, but then there's the problem with the God's scaling where the Upper Ranking God got buffed 10 times and they're suddenly Six Kings level
Eh the statement was that the high ranking gods would reach the level of some of the 6 Kings
After saying this in her usual tone, Shalltear sat down in a seat that the nine people in the room left vacant, while Pandora sat down next to her.
After confirming that their lord is seated, the other members of the Ten Demons returned to their seats.
[Now then, I’m sorry for calling all of you here on such short notice today. Well, I’m sure everyone is busy with their own stuff, so let’s get down to business… or so I’d like to say, but today’s matter is a bit difficult. Let’s check everyone’s thoughts first after hearing what I say before I give you your commands.]
As Shalltear spoke in a light tone, the Ten Demons just quietly waited for their lord to continue.
[…Six months from now, there’s a pretty high probability that “there will be a great battle against the God Realm”. And if my prediction is correct… We’re not just going to fight the Gods that everyone knows of. We would probably be fighting “all of the Gods that have been explosively strengthened by Shallow Vernal-sama’s power”.]
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[For this time, there is no penalty for not participating. After all, by my estimation… there will be about “800 Lower-ranked Gods who would become as strong as Count-ranks, 200 Higher-ranked Gods who would become about as strong as some of the Six Kings”and…”Three Supreme Gods who have gained power far beyond the Six Kings”. These would be our enemies. To be honest, I can’t guarantee your lives in this battle.]
Yes, this time, the dimension is different from the previous battle between the Demon Realm and the God Realm. After all, “Shallow Vernal is seriously trying to win” this time. Shalltear guessed that Shallow Vernal would at least strengthen her own soldiers, the Gods.-Chapter 563
We all know the 6 Kings aren't all equal, I am inclined to think this refers to Megiddo specifically, since he is stated to be the weakest and one step inferior.
[…I’m sorry, Megiddo. Beating you with a borrowed power… After everything is over and you come back to life, I’ll obediently receive one of your strikes.]
The fact that Megiddo, one of the Six Kings, was defeated, brought tremendous turmoil to the Human-Demon Allied Forces. The War Kings’ subordinates in particular, who were the main players in these battles, suffered mental damage that they could not immediately recover from.
Isis and Lillywood, who had been fighting Life, and Magnawell, who had been taking on a large amount of Gods, were also very shaken… Looking at this chaos that had, in a sense, decided the course of the battle, Chronois muttered to herself. […Well, I guess I should say he’s done well holding out until now, but this is to be expected. Even though he’s mentioned in the same breath as the Six Kings, his… the War King’s overall strength is one step inferior to the other members of the Six Kings, even weaker to Ein. With that being the case, he’ll obviously be the first one to collapse.]-Chapter 631
It's stated that Megiddo is the weakest of the 6 Kings and even Ozma is stronger
[Ahh, no, the reason why that happened isn’t really that big… They just had a big argument with each other whether “who’s stronger, Master or Phantasmal King-sama”, and after that argument, they didn’t get along anymore…]
[I see… But I’m curious about that too. Who does Ozma-sama think is stronger, Megiddo-sama or Phantasmal King-sama?]
[Unnn? If it’s the “current Master”, Phantasmal King-sama is overwhelmingly stronger. Or rather, the current Master is most probably the weakest of the Six Kings. Well, he’s still in a whole another level if you compare the current Master to normal Peerage-holders…]
[…Eh?]
In response to Epsilon’s question, Ozma nonchalantly said that Megiddo was weaker than the Phantasmal King. He even went as far as saying he was the weakest of the Six Kings… and as if she hadn’t expected that answer, Epsilon looked astonished.
Thereupon, when Ozma saw her reaction, he brought one hand to his face, as if to say that he misspoke.
[……Sorry, I misspoke. Forget what I said, Master will kill me if he hears it.]
[Eh? W- What does that mean!? What is that you're hiding, Ozma-sama?]
[……I'm sorry, I can't tell you. However, since I'm the one who accidentally spoke about it, I'll give you a hint.]
[……A hint?]
[……If "I" get serious, even I can beat "Megiddo Argetes Borgnes". But if I fight "Megiddo-sama", I will never win. Not being able to inflict a single scratch on him, he will kill me.]-Chapter 480
So Sealed Megiddo isn't even Duke Rank, just somewhere in Count Rank, forgot if anymore statements were given in the after stories, I think there was some, will see as I go through, but yea at best Sealed Megiddo is Peak Count Rank, so High Ranking Gods being buffed doesn't mean much.
There could be other supporting reasoning for the multiplier to be legit.
Iris still had power comparable to a peak count rank like Agni in their fight during the Six Kings Festival. Her burst power is also still not the strongest among count ranks yet, that belonged to Pandora atp. And she used a magical barrier to defend against Agni who has Multi-Solar System Level AP. That Iris is still a billion or trillion times inferior to Six Kings, a statement made by Alice who is the most knowledgeable about the peerage system since she created it.
In other news, there's this statement.
The Supreme Gods buffed by Shiro have durability so large, they wouldn't take much damage from an attack that can wipe out EVERYONE in the space made for the final war arc. That includes all the buffed gods, all the demons, and the Six Kings minus Alice and true form Meggido.
During the first fight Iris had all the specs of Alice, so was just as strong, but couldn't really control it, can't use that Iris for anything, after that Iris body was adjusted so it grows according to what she can handle.
Second statement could be interesting to use I suppose, if you think the 200 high ranking gods are peak count level, and then you factor in all the 6 king executives who are around that level too, but even high balling and saying the amped Chronois can tank an attack which can wipe out thousands of people on Peak Count level, idk if that justifies a massive multiplier of a billion. But again that multiplier doesn't really work because I don't think Iris was Peak Count level at the time.
Actually, sealed Megiddo is stronger than Ozma. None of the count ranks can beat the Six Kings dungeon while sealed Megiddo can.
Q : Is Ozma’s strength, which is said to have fought evenly with Megiddo, on the level of the Six Kings?
A : Megiddo in their sealed state is inferior to the other Six Kings by one level. Even so, they still hold power that separates them from the Count-ranks…… Also, it was a few tens of thousands of years ago that they were evenly matched, and now, Megiddo is stronger than Ozma, even in their sealed state.
At the moment, the order of strength:
Kuro > Alice > The Wall of Omnipotence > Megiddo (True Form) > Ein > Isis > Lillywood > Magnawell > A Level Wall > Megiddo (Sealed) > Ozma
~chapter 797
Of course, Alice was retconned to not being omnipotent, but everything else holds true. This was chapter 798 whereas all the other statements for Ozma being equal to sealed Megiddo exists before this one.
During the first fight Iris had all the specs of Alice, so was just as strong, but couldn't really control it, can't use that Iris for anything, after that Iris body was adjusted so it grows according to what she can handle.
Second statement could be interesting to use I suppose, if you think the 200 high ranking gods are peak count level, and then you factor in all the 6 king executives who are around that level too, but even high balling and saying the amped Chronois can tank an attack which can wipe out thousands of people on Peak Count level, idk if that justifies a massive multiplier of a billion. But again that multiplier doesn't really work because I don't think Iris was Peak Count level at the time.
Iris' body was adjusted after the Isis fight though, not before that. Even in that state she's upper count rank. And well, peak count rank are separate from the rest because they have immortality at a certain standard and can manipulate causality, so I think it's fine that upper count rank are comparable to peak count rank at certain aspects.
Among the Peerage rankings, the difference between the top and the bottom of the Count-ranks was particularly large, to the extent that Alice considered it necessary to make adjustments. Especially in regards to the Peak Count-ranks…… The level in which the Six Kings’ executives stood is called so mainly because they acquired the ability to interfere with the law of causality or immortality above a certain standard, so it’s as if they’re at a different dimension from those of lower ranking than them even though they’re of the same Count-rank.
As a summary:
Iris (upper count) = Agni (peak count) in stats only.
Iris' magic barrier can block Agni's blows but can't defend against Isis' punch.
That’s the terrific protective barrier that completely blocked Agni-san’s attack. It looked very tough.
The next moment, Isis-san soundlessly moved in front of Iris-san and swung her fist. It was a random punch that even an amateur like me knows that it was a punch of someone unaccustomed to fighting…… but Iris-san jumped away, leaving behind her barrier in place with a flustered look on her face.
Then, when Isis-san’s fist touched the barrier…… It pierced through it “like paper” and created a “huge crater” in the ground.
[……Wha!?]
[……Oiiiiiiii, Iris. Stop getting distracted. That won’t do, if you let your guard down even a little bit…… Isis-san certainly is better than magic combat than physical combat. But Iris, remember Agni-san, the person you fought before? The person you’re facing now is strong enough to “beat Agni-san to death with her bare hands”.]
-chapter 737
The physical attacks of Isis were straightforward telephone punches, but its might was such that even Iris’ all-out defense couldn’t block it at all.
Her starting stance makes it easy for Iris to read her movements, so she is able to avoid her strikes, but it becomes mentally exhausting for her to keep avoiding the fists that would deal considerable damage if they hit her.
-chapter 738
So Iris' barrier gets destroyed by Isis' punch and would leave considerable damage on her body. This implies that Iris' body dura is greater than her barrier. And Agni is stated to be able to kill that Iris.
Actually, sealed Megiddo is stronger than Ozma. None of the count ranks can beat the Six Kings dungeon while sealed Megiddo can.
Of course, Alice was retconned to not being omnipotent, but everything else holds true. This was chapter 798 whereas all the other statements for Ozma being equal to sealed Megiddo exists before this one.
That's an afterstories statement... Which had a 2 year gap, Megiddo is battle maniac, he obviously trained and got stronger over the 2 years, so doesn't negate anything I said.
In the main story Ozma who later becomes Duke ranked was stronger, so Sealed Megiddo at that point was Peak Count Rank at best.
Regardless based on past experience those multipliers are never going to fly, needs far more proof, but you can certainly attempt to argue it in the eventual CRT
That's an afterstories statement... Which had a 2 year gap, Megiddo is battle maniac, he obviously trained and got stronger over the 2 years, so doesn't negate anything I said.
In the main story Ozma who later becomes Duke ranked was stronger, so Sealed Megiddo at that point was Peak Count Rank at best.
Regardless based on past experience those multipliers are never going to fly, needs far more proof, but you can certainly attempt to argue it in the eventual CRT
I think the ranking applies even to the main story. That's some strange logic to say that Ozma in the main story is stronger than sealed Megiddo at that point. Nobody knows of Megiddo's true power, so everyone only knows his power in his sealed state, and yet nobody questions his title as a six kings. Epsilon, who asked Ozma, was surprised that Megiddo is the weakest of the Six Kings, but doesn't consider herself as an equal to sealed Megiddo, so he's clearly above peak count ranks. Ein as a Duke is stronger than the six kings bar Kuro and Alice, so Duke rank at that point of the story meant they were equal to the Six Kings, not a step below in the main story.
In the raws, Chronois says Ein is on the level of the Six Kings, not that she is inferior.
Ozma said he could beat Megiddo, and since he's the one who said it, there's an element of being unreliable. It doesn't mean he's stronger. In fact, Pandora is weaker than Ozma, but she can beat him at a rate of 3:7.
About the high-ranking gods being buffed to six kings level, Alice said that they would be on the level of some of the six kings, which clearly meant more than one of them as a point of reference, so sealed Megiddo wasn't the only option.
If it's about the 2 year gap, Lilia, who has the same talent as the Six Kings, remains at count rank from the main story to the afterstories, she didn't move to peak count rank, so the growth wasn't that huge.
Ozma is the guy who constantly downplays himself, the idea that he would lie about being stronger than Megiddo I don't find credible.
I can concede that his other subordinates are weaker than him, but Ozma who is among the strongest of the count ranks, clearly isn't, if anything they are relative. So yea I can see a future crt upgrading Sealed Megiddo to 4-A.
High ranking God's being buff to some of the 6 kings don't really help your argument? Not sure what this is being argued for.
Any 6 Kings upgrade relies on multipliers, which we have a whole wiki page on multipliers, the higher the multiplier, the more evidence is required, again the only reason the billion/trillion multipliers was accepted before was because it perfectly lined up with statements of planet destruction from the 6 kings, stuff like an amped supreme god is more durable than about a 1000 multi-solar system level characters doesn't make a billion times multiplier legit.
This would also be assuming that Alice is wrong, while her mind is an extraordinary genius, supercomputer like brain that considers every possibility in her calculations down to below 0s, is a six king herself and knows the gauge of their strengths, etc. She is the smartest person in series ignoring literal omniscience...her saying "'a billion to a trillion" doesn't seem like some one off statement when it comes to multipliers. She's the same person that makes gadgets to let Kaito, a normal person(for the most part) keep track(somewhat) of Isis. Has Alice actually ever been wrong on something this entire series..? Ignoring her emotions and habit of being embarrassed of course. But I suppose some other feats with the Supreme gods may clash with these things, which can't do much about that. But if an argument is made for this, I feel Alice's intelligence would be a major factor
But hey if the site doesn't accept that then on oh well
However the big tier buff itself is still wild to me, and simpler anyway. Six Kings will still upscale and all that...
Ozma is the guy who constantly downplays himself, the idea that he would lie about being stronger than Megiddo I don't find credible.
I can concede that his other subordinates are weaker than him, but Ozma who is among the strongest of the count ranks, clearly isn't, if anything they are relative. So yea I can see a future crt upgrading Sealed Megiddo to 4-A.
High ranking God's being buff to some of the 6 kings don't really help your argument? Not sure what this is being argued for.
We have a whole wiki page on multipliers, the higher the multiplier, the more evidence is required, again the only reason the billion/trillion multipliers was accepted before was before it perfectly lined up with statements of planet destruction from the 6 kings, stuff like an amped supreme god is more durable than about a 1000 multi-solar system level characters doesn't make a billion times multiplier legit.
Ozma said he could beat Sealed Megiddo, not that he's stronger, it's a subtle but major difference. They could be relative which is a more reliable estimate like you said.
But I am glad that you conceded to sealed Megiddo being stronger than his subordinates, because calling sealed Megiddo at best peak count rank, while at the same time inferior to duke rank Ozma, implied that sealed Megiddo is inferior to the other duke ranks in the afterstories. Which is certainly a claim. Because the statement of sealed Megiddo being superior to all counts in the afterstories was made before any of the peak counts were moved to duke rank and before we knew which ones qualified minus the obvious Ozma and Pandora.
I thought about the Six Kings dungeon and how this would play into the scaling.
[A long time ago, us, the Six Kings, went to the dungeon….. It’s a facility I built to test our skills. There were six floors in total, and on each floor, we placed a Magic Doll that Kuro-san had made and we had modified. Well, it’s like we made a “downgraded copy of us” at that time and placed it there.]
[You’re saying it as if it’s normal, but that sounds pretty outrageous……]
[Well, they’re Magic Dolls that’s a bit stronger than peak Count-ranks. Well, it’s difficult to maintain that kind of performance without a special warded space in place, so they can’t be taken out of the dungeon. Also, as expected, that Magic Doll was unable to recreate Kuro-san’s strength, so I put Kuro-san’s Magic Doll and Ein-san’s Magic Doll in a set on the last level to adjust the difficulty level.]
Even though it was quite a long time ago, they made downgraded copies of the Six Kings…… Some kind of golems? Even though they don’t have a sense of reasoning, they should still be quite powerful.
[……Arehh? What does that have to do with a sword?]
[Yes, about that, since we built it anyway, we made that Dungeon available for training. Once the person who wants to train dies, they will be revived and automatically returned to the entrance. No one had yet to break through even one floor, but it became a popular training ground, especially for War King’s subordinates.]
[I- It has an extremely terrific presence, hasn’t it?]
(It’s awesome. Cross of the End would only transform to its final form only when all the other Golems have been destroyed~~ In its most powerful state, which incorporates the power of all Golems, Cross of the End’s combat power is such that it can even compete with the real Six Kings!)
[In other words, this would be the combined state of all 7 Golems huh.]
(Unnn. However, Cross of the End’s final form can only be unleashed here in the dungeon. Outside of the dungeon, even if I can create as many Quasi-Domain Barriers as I can, Cross of the End’s final form is so powerful that it will break those barriers down.)
No matter how much preparation she does, she can’t move it outside, but the Boss can be said to be the strongest inside this dungeon…… If someone can defeat this, I feel like they can become the new King.
That said, I feel that someone who just clears this dungeon would likely be certified as the Seventh King…… In that sense, this dungeon may really be a trial for one to become a King.
“
(No one cleared it? There are though~)
[……Eh?]
(Well, I don’t mean there’s a challenger who has cleared it. As a trial run, all of the Six Kings have cleared this dungeon at least once, and Megiddo-sama also comes to visit from time to time~~ Cross of the End has enough strength to fight against them, so it’s just right for when they want to go wild…… But, but, Megiddo-sama is also being mindful to others and only comes when there are no other challengers~~)
I see, now that you mentioned it, this place would be a great playground for Megiddo-san. Especially the Cross of the End, as it was strong enough to fight even against the Six Kings, so it was the perfect opponent for the battle junkie Megiddo-san.
Since it’s Megiddo-san we’re talking about here, I’m sure she follows the rules of restricted entry, so for her, this is like an amusement park where she can go from time to time?
(Ehehe, Kaito-kun gives me lots of compliments, so Roze likes you Unnn, Roze firmly manages the Six Kings Dungeon…… but you know, you know, there aren’t many challengers to begin with.)
[Ahh I guess the level of the dungeon is just too high huh?)
(Unnn. Even Peak Count-ranks haven’t been able to break through even a single floor, and with their level of ability, once they fight once, they won’t challenge again unless they grow up enough to have a chance of winning the next time…… No, there are a few, like Agni and Nidzveld, who come back every time their admission limit is lifted though.)
Indeed, those guys would certainly try to challenge the dungeon no matter how many times they lose, but even if the Five Generals + Frea-san are guaranteed to challenge the dungeon again, the number of times the dungeon is challenged will still be small. Also, I kinda feel like I could move Ozma-san out of that count since it doesn’t seem like he’d be willing to challenge the dungeon that much.
So first thing, the golems are stronger than peak count ranks. Megiddo's golem, is it a downgraded version of the sealed form or the true form? I think it's the downgraded version of the sealed form because the golem is on the same level as the Magnawell, Isis, and Lillywood golems. And because they were created a long time ago, none of the other Six Kings minus Alice, Kuro, and Ein, should know about Megiddo's true form yet.
Cross of the End (Kuro's golem) at its final form is as strong as the Six Kings. Does that mean the normal Six Kings or Sealed Megiddo level of Six Kings? I think it's Sealed Megiddo again. If it were normal Six Kings level, Megiddo would not be able to defeat it and would have to rely on her true form. However, that also implies that the golem is on true form Megiddo's level since it can fight against Megiddo, but that also means the other Six Kings can't beat it, so it can't be true when it's stated that they have cleared the dungeon before.
And finally, not a single peak count has broken through a single floor. So we can conclude that a golem with a downgraded version of sealed Megiddo's power is still stronger than peak count ranks. And sealed Megiddo is the one who cleared the dungeon before.
There was another feat from before that I didn't really think too much about, but probably requires some attention too. The Star Beasts from Alice world were created by a star
(What surprised me was Makina’s father… A genius scientist who is said to have advanced the world’s technology by a century. He’s been out of the public eye for a decade… From what I’ve gathered, he seems to be acting very suspiciously at the moment. He’s been buying up land in various parts of the world, even in the most remote areas, and he’s been spending a lot of money buying antiques that seem to have no use…)
After thinking about this, Alicia looked at a dot on the world map displayed on her terminal… She had a serious look on her face as she looked at the land that seemed to have been purchased by Makina’s father.
(…Most of them have no value in terms of land. But what is it? Something’s bugging me… There is no regularity in the buying process. What’s the purpose of all this small land… No, wait. This, could this be!?)
At first glance, it looked like he was buying land in different parts of the world without any reason at all, but a possibility emerged that Alicia couldn’t overlook.
(…This place and this place too. I knew it… Some of the land he bought was inhabited by the “Seven Star Beasts”!)
Seven Star Beasts… They’re magical beasts with unparalleled strength that can even be said to have been created from a star born from the magic power that has accumulated of years in that land that is said to be the world’s reservoir of magic power. They’re monsters that were also called living disasters…
However, that was already a thing of the past. All of the Seven Star Beasts have been defeated by Alicia, and the land that was said to be a reservoir of magic power has already been treated to prevent new monsters from being born.
(…I’ve defeated all the Seven Star Beasts, and I also made sure not to leave behind a huge mass of magical corpses. However, yes, for example… If they were to search deep into the earth, there is a chance that he will find one or two ores that contain magic power. And most of the items he’s buying are just antiques, but there are few that seem to have magic power in them.)-Chapter 765
Only thing here is that this isn't an actual normal star, but a star born from magic power, but ehh, we have seen magic power such as Polaris creating legit stars so not exactly unusual
This is stated again that they are born from stars
…Is she talking about Catastro-san? I remembered how she mentioned that she often corrodes her gloves… I see, there are some people, even though with powerful abilities, who find it difficult to conveniently make clothes. Well, there’s a chance that they were using magic power to make clothes only in battle… It may just be an inconvenience in daily life, but in battle, it seemed like it would be powerful in both offense and defense.
[Speaking of which, I don’t think Shall-tan uses magic power to make her clothes either.]
[…Really?… I didn’t notice… I thought that… Shalltear… also wears clothes made from magic power.]
[Well, I’ve never really asked her about it in detail… but Shall-tan’s clothes were apparently made from “magical beast born from stars?” called Seven Star Beasts or something. Her clothes apparently contain seven properties and are very convenient.]
Ahh~~ Speaking of which, I remember Alice talking about it. She called them wonderful monsters, didn’t she? Since Fate-san said that they were magical beasts born from stars, it sounds like they would be powerful boss monsters, and the equipment they drop from defeating them would be cool.-Chapter 798
The Star Beasts were weaker than the Evil God as it was the final boss, and the Evil God is on the bottom level of the High Ranking Gods of Trinia
[Well, after that… As a result, justice prevailed and I won.]
[U- Unnn. There’s a lot of stuff that happened there…]
[If my little sister had run up to me and passionately kissed me right there, it would have been a happy ending but… The world doesn’t always work our way huh.]
[…What happened now?]
[In fact, in the confusion of the battle, the mastermind obtained the blood of the queen… and used his life as a catalyst to summon the Evil God.]
[ ! ? ]
T- This is where the Evil God makes its entrance huh. Although her story sounds awesome when you just read it from this novel, in fact, Alice’s tone of voice is getting tense, so it must have been a pretty bad situation.
I- I’m starting to get anxious again… Quickly continue already…
[Thinking about that Evil God now, it wasn’t that powerful. Compared to the Gods in this world, it only had the power of around the bottom of the high-ranking Gods. However, it still held power that was a tremendous threat to us humans.]-Chapter 295
So the Star Beast would probably be weaker than a high ranking god, thus should be around low ranking or the weakest high ranking, and we see in the final arc low ranking gods had to be amped to Count Rank, though even that's vague because there are a lot of levels to count rank.
There are some odd translations from the earlier chapters like this which says an Earl rank is equal to high ranking gods, and that there are only a handful of Duke ranks. Well Dukes aren't a thing until Alice introduces them later, and there are plenty of Counts, but a handful of 6 Kings, so imo Earl=Count which a quick google search basically says Earl refers to a British title while Count is for other European countries, both are equivalent, so think I am right
[I can’t say that there isn’t a way. In fact, there was a human with the same description as Kaito-san described, but she has lived hundreds of years before. Among the high-level demons who have lived for so many years, there are many who have their own secret techniques that are still unknown to us humans.]
[However, to have such power that’s able to change not only their lifespan, but also their original race… The high-ranking demon that Miyama-sama got to know must have been at least an “Earl-rank”… It can even be a “Duke-rank” high-ranking demon.]
[That rank stuff you’re talking about, is that the ranking between the demons?]
[Yes, the Demon Realm doesn’t have the same aristocracy and ranking system as the Human Realm, but it’s not uncommon for a single powerful demon to be compared with a title to rank their strength for the sake of convenience. The strength of an Earl-rank demon alone would be enough to rival a country. They’re also equal or more powerful than high-ranking gods in the God Realm. There are only a handful of the Duke-ranks in the vast Demon Realm. At the very least, they aren’t ones who you can just meet even if you want to.]
There’s no doubt the Kuro is a high-ranking demon with tremendous power, but it seems that she’s even more extraordinary than I’d imagined.-Chapter 20
Anyway if Count Ranks are equal to or more powerful than high ranking Gods, low ranking Gods would be below that, and thus Count ranks scale to or above Star Beasts.
Idk about this feat though, being born from a star doesn't necessarily mean you can use the full power of one, maybe use the energy the Sun outputs per second to scale them to that? In which case would be High 6-A.
Yup, early translation had count as earl. Foxaholic, the site of the translator, fixed some of the earlier chapter translations to fix that. The part about there being several duke ranks is a clear retcon or because Lilia and Lunamaria aren't that knowledgeable yet of the peerage system in the Demon Realm and doesn't know Ein is the only Duke?
Btw, the size of the Human Realm alone is confirmed to be the size of a star.
[Here we are. Well, even though I said it’s a world I created, it’s small in size. At best, it’s about the same size as the Human Realm.]
[……That’s already enough. Umm, let me say it again because it’s very important, but it’s already enough.]
Considering that it is the size of three countries, the size of said world is truly enormous. For her to create that much land on a whim, one could say it was just as expected of a World Creator.
~chapter 1609
リリアさんに誘われてやってきたのは、エデンさんがリリアさんに贈ったという異世界だった。世界といっても広さは人界ぐらいなので、世界というよりは星を1つプレゼントしたようなもの……いやいや、十分すぎるほどスケールはデカいが……。
Lilia invited me to a different world that Eden had gifted to her. Although it was called a world, it was only as big as the human realm, so it was more like giving a star than a world... No, no, the scale was more than enough...
~chapter 1614
And in a much more absurd note, Neun and her party were able to defeat Vier one time, who is a peak count rank. Neun herself is just a mid-tier count and thus counts of that level scale to her.
Something I caught was the usage of the word world in the series and I wanted to bring attention to.
『わかりました……では待っていますよ……地球神』
「……地球神、地球神ですか……地球は世界の名称ではなく星の名ですが、貴女が私という存在を指す呼び名としては……まぁ、悪くないですね」
"Okay... I'll wait then...Earth God."
"... Earth God, Earth God is it... Earth isn't the name of my world, it's the name of a star, but as a name you can use to refer to me... well, it's not bad."
~chapter 768
シロさんの作った世界トリニィアは、世界としてはかなり小さいサイズという話だ。逆にエデンさんの世界は宇宙も含め凄まじく広大であり、そこの竜種に該当する生物を全部集めるだけでもかなりの数だろう。そういった感じに世界ごとに広さもかなり違うので、相当の数の模型が存在しているのではないかと思う。
I heard that the world Trinia, created by Shiro-san, is quite small. On the other hand, Eden-san's world, including the universe, is incredibly vast, and even just collecting all the creatures that correspond to dragon species there would be a considerable number. Since the size of each world is quite different, I think there must be a considerable number of models in existence.
~chapter 1614
The term world is not used for planets or universes, it's distinct from them. It's actually a container for universes and thus should be vaster than them. We know universes can be infinite, so the structure of a world that contains it is at least low 2-C regardless of size. I can't find specific texts that specify the usage of world to refer to a planet or just the universe, so it's actually scarily consistent in the series.
And the Six Kings who are said to be able to destroy the world are low 2-C as a result, it's consistent because most of them are creations of Shiro, and Fate's range is the entire world
That's okay, I got the translations made by the translator and they are similar enough that the meaning comes across as the same.
“I understand…… Well then, I’ll be waiting…… Earth God.”
[……Earth God. Earth God huh…… Earth isn’t the name of the world I govern, but the name of one of my world’s planets, but for you to refer to me with that name…… Well, that doesn’t sound so bad.]
~chapter 768
The world Shiro-san created, Trinia, was apparently quite small for a world. On the other hand, Eden-san’s world, including the universe our planet was in, is extremely vast, and just collecting all the creatures that resemble dragons would make her gather quite the amount. Since the size of each world is quite different, I think there must be a considerable number of models here.
~chapter 1614
We would have to be careful with the usage of world. Earlier on Trinia is only defined by the actual planet itself
[Now then, about this world… The topic has been raised a bit earlier, so I’ll explain it to you with the story of the First Hero-sama.]
When Lilia-san said this, Lunamaria-san put what looked like a map on the table.
First of all, the shape of the continent gives the impression of an enlarged map of Europe, and on the lower left part of the continent—– around what would have been Spain, is marked in black and white, with a red circle around the center of the continent a little away from it.
[The one enclosed in red is the Symphonia Kingdom where we are now. To the north is the “Arclesia Kingdom”, and to the south across the sea is the “Hydra Kingdom”… These are the three main countries that we call the Three Major Powers and “until about a thousand years ago”, they were everything we knew about the world.] […Are you saying that it’s different now?]
[Yes, that’s right, Aoi-san. This world map is mainly inhabited by humans, elves, and dwarves—- It’s the realm where many “Humanoid races” live and is collectively known as the “Human Realm”. In addition to this, there’s the “Demon Realm” where the “Demon Race” lives and the “God Realm” where the “God Race” lives.]
After saying so, two new maps are placed on the desk. One of them is more than twice the size of the map I was just looking at and looks similar in shape to the Australian continent. The other is a small map of the continent in the shape of a ring, or perhaps it would be closer to a donut?
[The large map is the Demon Realm and the small map is the God Realm. I guess it would be easier to understand if you imagine the shape of a sandwich, piled up on top of another? The three worlds of the God Realm, the Human Realm, and the Demon Realm are separated by an invisible dimensional wall and yet, they exist side by side. And that’s what this world, “Trinia”, in the true sense of the word, is all about.]
In the context of World Creators the "world" they create is obviously bigger than a universe, in fact it can be temporal dimensions, as we see them creating worlds which are just that in Kuro vs Shiro.
Fate had to ascend to a higher level to gain the ability to interfere with the past, so obviously she wouldn't scale to temporal dimensions via her scaling to world destruction feats/statements, but it does bring into question what "world" is being used in each context.
