Is Social Influencing, Mind Manipulation?

[Firephoenixearl]

I see.

 

[YungManzi]

It's definitely possible to to cause someone to commit suicde via social influencing.

We literally have suicide bombers and kamikazi pilots IRL.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Aren't like all of those people generally mentally unstable to begin with

 

[YungManzi]

Most of the world's population experience mental illness in their lifetime.

And by most, I don't just mean something like 50% - 60%

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Depends, some are, some aren't. But it is possible to drive people to suicide with social influencing.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

There is context that you are ignoring Earl

There's a vast difference between some random guy on the street telling you to kill yourself and a community figure and practitioner of a religion that you follow telling you to kill yourself and saying that if you don't then you'll be killed.

 

[YungManzi]

We've seen multiple examples of cult leaders doing this as well, it's very much possible.

It's not just nationalism and religion.

 

[Andytrenom]

If the question is whether social influencing will behave like mind manipulation when interacting with other abilities or resistance, it probably won't. My interpretation of social infuencing is that it's generally a RL ability exaggerated to massive degrees in a fiction, a bit similar to the "peak humans" of anime and comics

This makes way for a question, if an officially non superpowered character is 8-C in AP, would we say power nullification will reduce him to a tier 10? Because social influencing doing things impossible through mere persuasion would often be a similar thing and if we assume the strength doesn't get nulled in the given example, then I would say social infuencing that isn't acknowledged as mind manip shouldn't be resisted through mind manip resistance. That's my take anyway

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

We've seen multiple examples of cult leaders doing this as well, it's very much possible.

It's not just nationalism and religion.

I never said it was.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Obviously cus there is also a difference in believability. Some guy in the street telling you "yo boi, go kill yourself" you won't listen to it. If a family member actually makes you feel that way on top of words, it will drive people to suicide. The situation matters, because we don't believe everything, but a very very good person can drive you into just about anything as long as you're actually listening which imo should have a limit of

Social Influencing does not work against frienzied targets

 

[YungManzi]

Well there are already different kinds of mind manipulation which resistances don't really apply to one another.

Like we wouldn't say someone who can resist Kyouka Suigetsu, can resist MM via neurosurgery.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Well true. Not even all mind manip are the same. Let alone social influencing. Mind Manip resistance doesn't help against getting convinced. It's just flawed logic.

You resisted having your mind controlled, not someone telling you "it's 9th of october" and you actually believing it is because you don't remember the date.

 

[Antoniofer]

No real ability will allows someone to behave out of characters, beings with great psychological knowledge can manipulate someone but they need to explote mental issues of the target, or maybe if they are too ingenous.

 

[Agnaa]

This makes way for a question, if an officially non superpowered character is 8-C in AP, would we say power nullification will reduce him to a tier 10? Because social influencing doing things impossible through mere persuasion would often be a similar thing and if we assume the strength doesn't get nulled in the given example, then I would say social infuencing that isn't acknowledged as mind manip shouldn't be resisted through mind manip resistance. That's my take anyway

If the power nullification reduces other 8-C characters to tier 10, we'd say it works.

If that power nullification specifically only works on the supernatural, then we'd say it wouldn't work.

 

[KLOL506]

Isn't Social Influencing a skill-based variant of Empathic Manipulation?