Is Goku really universal?

[Ywlrvl]

I have no doubt Goku is universal with another perso, but is he really alone?

What I Mean: When Goku shook the universe, he was doing so with Beerus, another person.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Here we go again...

 

[Ywlrvl]

Here we go again...

I'm not trying anything, I swear. I'm just trying to find out why people say he's universal.

 

[ByAsura]

I think we rate him that because he fought against beerus who was powerful enough to nullify universe destroying power, and goku destroying an attack capable of doing that upon using the power of a god in base form. Not the shock wave thing, even though people take that wildly out of context to debunk it.

 

[Ywlrvl]

So... Powerscaling?

 

[Akreious]

In short? yes.

Long answer is that while Goku might've not been universal initially, he's gotten two power ups in the vs Beerus fight. Goku gains the God power in his base and then puts Super Saiyan on top of it. This is ignoring Goku's God form getting stronger the more he gets used to it.

So assuming Goku is generating half the force needed to destroy the universe (Since it's two people that's doing it), literally all he would need to do is go Kaiokenx10 (easy stuff for current Goku) and fist bump himself and pop goes the Universe no difficulty.

 

[ByAsura]

So... Powerscaling?

The first one is, but the second one is his own feat.

 

[Ywlrvl]

...I heard someone say SSGSS multiplier was over 1000x base. Overlap that with... Kaioken x20 and... What...

But yeah, maybe he could fist bump himself... Thanks.

 

[Akreious]

"...I heard someone say SSGSS multiplier was over 1000x base. Overlap that with... Kaioken x20 and... What..."

Unknown. We don't know the mutliplier or jump for SSG. We know that SSB is just 40x (The accepted minimum multiplier for super saiyan) of SSG.

So SSB is 40 + 20 (Kaioken) = 60x which would be more than enough to be stronger than he was when doing the universe feat.

 

[Ywlrvl]

Wasn't SSJ1 50x Base Form, from an official source?

 

[Akreious]

We don't accept that because "Muh, Daizzenshuu is unreliable".

SSJ being 40x is scaling from Kaiokenx20, who was roughly equal to Freeza. So it stands to reason that 100% Freeza would be equivalent of Goku going Kaiokenx40, which is where we get Super Saiyan's multiplier of 40x on this site. It's likely 50x but everyone is stingy on that so meh...

 

[Chartate101]

Daizenshuu is 100% reliable but some mods here are too ******* dumb to listen to reason

 

[Ywlrvl]

Oh. Thanks.

 

[Antoniofer]

Beware there, @Chartate101, that kind of language is considered rude in our standard.

Maybe I should close this thread and avoid potential problems.

 

[Akreious]

Pretty sure the thread is already concluded at this point ;-;

 

[Antoniofer]

Even better, so closing then.